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Old 04-12-2019, 05:03 AM
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A friend of mine carry a Security six but can't find an holster for it.
It's not a money guy so cutom is not possible.
Does the K frame holsters can fit the ruger?
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If it's a fixed sight revolver it will likely fit the K frame holster. The adjustable sight models have a wider top "rail", and the L frame holsters are a better fit, although loose..
Not a perfect fit, especially the adjustable sight ones, but it'll do in a pinch.
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Try an Uncle Mike's nylon holster.
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Holsters for a Colt Official Police should work. If your local gun store has a bargain bin you may find that old police holsters have been stretched enough for a comfortable fit.
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Old 04-12-2019, 09:06 AM
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Shoot me a PM and I will send you a holster that fits that gun.
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Old 04-12-2019, 09:30 AM
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The Ruger Security Six has a frame, cylinder, and trigger guard that are more similar to the L-frame S&W or Colt O-frame revolvers, but a barrel profile more similar to the standard K-frame with underlug for ejection rod. None of these features are identical to the other makers' products, but these similarities in size, shape, and profile exist.

Best bet for a serviceable holster will be one of the smaller production shops (like Lobo Gun Leather, which has the Security Six on hand for patterning and forming holsters. NOTE: I am retired now and the company is owned by the Fedders family).

If an existing holster is decided upon I would recommend either a holster made for the Colt O-frame (Official Police, Trooper, Python) or for the S&W L-frame (586, 686, etc). Not a perfect result, but should be serviceable for many uses.
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I have never had a problem finding a holster for any of the Ruger Revolvers. The Security Six and Speed Six fit most of the same holsters that fit K Frames or Colt O P. Used holsters are the way to go if you can try them. Many manufactures listed S S Rugers with the S&W K frame in their size lists. This includes S&W Holsters. Size 3- in the 4 catalogs I just checked.
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Well I have a purchased in 72 a Security Six with adjustable sights and I have been using K frame holsters with no problem.

Gun was so new on the market when I got it that no maker made a holster for it. I used a couple Bianchis of that era holster with no problems.

I also loaned that gun out to my BIL who just got in the Sheriffs department for a few weeks till he had the money to purchase a weapon. It fit in his duty holster fine which was for a K frame.
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A friend of mine carry a Security six but can't find an holster for it.
It's not a money guy so cutom is not possible.
Does the K frame holsters can fit the ruger?
What barrel length is it? I may have one for him.
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Dunno how or why Lobo and I keep coming down on opposite sides of gunleather matters; but the Security Six was created to be a K-frame competitor, the GP100 to be an L-frame competitor, and the Redhawk to be an N-frame competitor.

When gunleather is routinely molded to Smiths -- that is, pressed and perhaps some light detailing but not to the extent of the so-called custom makers like me -- one can interchange them exactly as I have stated.

So instead of the L frame, or the Python frame, I would point you towards the K frame when it has been moulded to the M19 (which is industry practice) vs. the M10.
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Dunno how or why Lobo and I keep coming down on opposite sides of gunleather matters; but the Security Six was created to be a K-frame competitor, the GP100 to be an L-frame competitor, and the Redhawk to be an N-frame competitor.

When gunleather is routinely molded to Smiths -- that is, pressed and perhaps some light detailing but not to the extent of the so-called custom makers like me -- one can interchange them exactly as I have stated.

So instead of the L frame, or the Python frame, I would point you towards the K frame when it has been moulded to the M19 (which is industry practice) vs. the M10.
Red, I don't know that you and I are always on opposite sides. I think that we each hold opinions and knowledge acquired in two different segments of the holster-making business.

I understand that much of your career was spent working with the larger companies, those producing large quantities to serve the broad market of customers. Not unusual for such companies to largely ignore certain market niches (less common handguns, etc) and concentrate manufacturing and marketing on the largest portion of the marketplace.

My years in the holster business was entirely in the small shop segment, producing holsters one at a time on specific orders by customers. A great deal of my business was in those areas not regularly serviced by the Bianchi, Safariland, G&G, and other large companies.

I believe that both of our perspectives are valid, but not interchangeable because the sum of our experiences are quite different. Please note that I have not suggested that there is anything wrong with the products of the larger companies, nor have I stated that either approach to the business is superior to the other.

I have reread my earlier post on this topic and I stand by my comments. There are similarities between the Ruger Security Six and S&W products, but there are also differences including the Ruger's somewhat larger frame and cylinder, and somewhat larger dimensions overall. Those differences are not likely to be sufficient to prevent the use of a mass produced holster formed for the K-frame S&W, but they could easily prevent the use of a handmade and very closely formed holster formed on the K-frame S&W. Selection of a holster intended for the Colt O-frame or the S&W L-frame offers a better chance of a trouble-free fit for many customers and purposes (not all, but many).

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Guys thanks a lot!
I’ll ask him for the barrel length.
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I have a Service Six that fits a hair loose in its new Bianchi K frame Cyclone holster. Its thumb snap is tight though so there is zero movement after it gets secured.

At some point I'm wanting to upgrade to a high ride pancake style holster, but this is working for me at this time.
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Red, I don't know that you and I are always on opposite sides. I think that we each hold opinions and knowledge acquired in two different segments of the holster-making business.

I understand that much of your career was spent working with the larger companies, those producing large quantities to serve the broad market of customers. Not unusual for such companies to largely ignore certain market niches (less common handguns, etc) and concentrate manufacturing and marketing on the largest portion of the marketplace.

My years in the holster business was entirely in the small shop segment, producing holsters one at a time on specific orders by customers. A great deal of my business was in those areas not regularly serviced by the Bianchi, Safariland, G&G, and other large companies.

I believe that both of our perspectives are valid, but not interchangeable because the sum of our experiences are quite different. Please note that I have not suggested that there is anything wrong with the products of the larger companies, nor have I stated that either approach to the business is superior to the other.

I have reread my earlier post on this topic and I stand by my comments. There are similarities between the Ruger Security Six and S&W products, but there are also differences including the Ruger's somewhat larger frame and cylinder, and somewhat larger dimensions overall. Those differences are not likely to be sufficient to prevent the use of a mass produced holster formed for the K-frame S&W, but they could easily prevent the use of a handmade and very closely formed holster formed on the K-frame S&W. Selection of a holster intended for the Colt O-frame or the S&W L-frame offers a better chance of a trouble-free fit for many customers and purposes (not all, but many).

Best regards.
For the record, the Bianchi I joined in 1970 was quite a small company; I think about 30 employees vs the 300 when I departed when the company was sold to investment bankers. And my earliest years there were in its 'specials' department where I made individual orders that were too small for the main shop; and for the odd pistols like Mausers and Lugers. We even had a Gyrojet! All the High Standards and Iver Johnsons and all the weird stuff (but only by today's standards). "Growing up" in a company like that taught me both depth and breadth of holster making so the appreciation of how to set up small production as if it would be large production; my current range is made from interchangeable/shared leather shapes as if it were intended for mass production.

I've worked inside about two dozen holster shops around the world into this century and my current shop is the smallest of them all (just me!). But everyone makes holsters the same way: they create a cardboard pattern, they have a clicker die made from it, they glue it and sew it, they mold it in a press, if it's brown they oil it for color, they stick it in a plastic bag. That's because all they know is what was done in the '70s as the biggies got bigger. They just think that what they're doing is 'special' and a trade secret; and out of respect for their business models I never revealed to any of them how the others did it (the same!) though I was pestiferated often 'how does so-and-so do it?

So we shouldn't know different things about the biz but somehow we do. Certainly I would not agree that the sort of holster a consumer would encounter at a gun store for his Rugers would interchange with the Smiths using your model; but instead using mine which I didn't invent from whole cloth, it's literally why the Rugers were created and they are the best interchange.

Even these highly detailed holsters, molded to an L frame, fit both the GP100 and the Python. And they're made of very stiff horsehide, as stiff as Kydex; I'm a so-called 'small custom maker'.

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Jeez, guys, it’s a dessert topping and a floor wax ! 30 people isn’t a small company in my book, a one man operation is, and I really hope that not all holsters are made the exact same way but I’ve never even been in a holster shop, I just live in a holster museum. Rugers are different from Smith and Wessons or Colts and different holsters fit different guns well, differently. Everyone tried to give the OP their opinion on what might work, he’s got a lot of ideas to think about.
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I think it is informative to examine holster maker size. At one extreme we can all agree that it doesn't get any smaller than one :-). Sparks reports six. Safariland reports 8,000! Which is for all their companies under their umbrella.

Now, I no longer even think of Safari as a holster maker. I can't view those bulky monstrosities as anything more than an article carrier like a builder's leather apron. A recent report is that they've even dumped the kydex wrap construction and switched to injection molding while claiming they invented even that for holsters!

If you've not been inside holster shops then you won't plausibly be able to think they all do it differently. Readily available to you online are pictorials from articles about Galco, Sparks, and Safariland (don't make gunleather), JB's book shows the internals of his factory into the 90s and the inside of his current small operator.

Yes, they all have the same machines to make their gunleather the same way as each other. I even have a pic of one little maker showing off his garage operation that is filled with all the very same machines! I think you sold him a Holstory recently.
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I didn’t make myself clear. This horse was dead several posts ago. It’s now closed.
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