"HIDDEN THUNDER"

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Roy Baker invented his famous pancake in the early 1970s and
got his patent in 1973. I had his pancake to conceal my Model 19,
but I didn't use it very often, so I gave it away on a karma.

In 1978 Roy sold lock, stock and barrel to Calvin Porter. Porter
introduced the little motto and logo seen on some Baker holsters
that say Hidden Thunder. An example is shown below left.

I read a small article in a gun magazine that said Baker's company
was sold to Pioneer Company, who had also bought Eubanks.
But the clipping said the sale was in 1983, and Pioneer went out
of business in 1972. I wonder how that works?

When I read HOLSTORY, I realized how important the pancake
was in holster development, so I started looking again. I wanted
an open top, which is quite rare. Most of the Baker Pancakes I
have seen, seem to have about 2/3rds of the cylinder above the
belt, which would cause it to sag or tip outward. Maybe that's
why most of his pancakes have retention straps.

I finally found a nice one with an open top. Shown second from
left with my Colt's Agent, and a James belt, with my Stetson.
Notice the cylinder is about 2/3rds above the belt. It was also
made for a 3" barrel and my Agent has a 2", but as Red Nichols
told me the extra inch will help keep it from tipping outward, and
it does.

Baker's Company had successes other than just the pancake.
Here is an example. I was surfing on the Bay last week and
came across this Small S&W revolver shoulder holster. It was
an auction with only a few minutes remaining. The beginning bid
was fifteen dollars and another five for shipping. How could I go
wrong? I pounced on it. Front shown 3rd from left with my
Charter Undercover. 4th from left is the front close up, and 5th
is the back.

If you have a holster, look to see if the Hidden Thunder logo and
motto is on it, or if it's an original. Post em if you got em.
 

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Phil I put in an offer on that Hidden Thunder shoulder holster but the seller neve got back to me. On top of that I forgot about the ending of the auction and never put in a bid leaving it all yours. As for long term service the Hidden Thunder with the hammer retention strap will probably outlast a number of other designs. If a Roys open top for a 2" Colt D frame Det Spcl/Cobra/Agent shows up I won't be asleep at the wheel, I havn't seen one in a couple of years and won't let the next one excape me. Fortunatly I have an open top 2" J frame Roys holster.
 
I am a big Roy Baker Pancake Holster fan. The first holster I ever bought, for my first revolver (a Model 19) was a Roy Baker Pancake. My first issued holster was also a Roy Baker Pancake for a 2.5 inch Model 66-1.

I use Baker holsters for J, K, N and 1911's. I was luck enough to find open top holsters for a Model 36/60 and for a six inch N frame. Both shown below.






Covey shot of most of my Baker Pancakes.

 
I love the pancake design and have made a few for myself. They are very secure and unobtrusive. I mostly make speed rigs but for comfort and reliability give me pancakes.
 

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Hey Bill - I count 22 if I can see right in your massive covey. I wonder
how many, if any, have the Hidden Thunder logo on the back?

I found 23 (and I have some I can't put my hands on right now) and none of them are marked Hidden Thunder. I have seen Hidden Thunder on a Baker holster, so I assume its on one that I can't put my hands on now.

There are three different makers' marks in my collection as can be seen below. The top is (I believe) the oldest. The "Patented" mark is obviously different and appears to be applied separately from the mark. This additional mark was applied at different distances from the makers' mark on different holsters. The bottom two are more similar. The holsters with the newest mark seem to be of a stiffer leather and they obviously changed the way they stamped them.





 
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I’ve never had a pancake, but boy don’t those look comfortable! It looks like you could sleep all night with one of those strapped on.
 
I love trivia competitions!

The first of Baker's marks is for IL and are 'pat pend'. He was working for fastener company then and likely his holsters were made for him by a third party at first (I've nominated Rick Gallagher but . . . ?):

1970ish 2725 cannon st rockford IL (2).jpg

Then his first AR mark and are marked 'patented':

1970s on rawhide road.jpg

He sold his company 1978 and the mark changed to:

1978 (2).jpg

The Hidden Thunder mark I believe was applied to any of the company's holsters that were NOT pancakes; and likely to avoid the need to pay a royalty for the use of Roy's name not just his patent:

1978 (3).jpg

That owner then sold up to Strong, at which point the patent expired immediately, by statute!

1986 roys by strong.jpg

Few would know that Roy had a shop across the border in TX after he had sold his company; or that he applied AGAIN to trademark the word 'pancake' for holsters, early in the year that he died. Dunno how he thought that was going to work, the USPTO would've cited his original mark against him.
 
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