John Wayne in "The Shootist" - El Paso Saddlery rig doesn't quite match....

I also have a duke rig. I ordered the lighter colored belt because it did match the look of the rig Wayne wore in some of the earlier movies. I am very happy with it and it is very comfortable. Mine is for a ruger vaquero in 44 mag at 4 5/8 bbl.
 
Here's the answer, straight from Don at El Paso Saddlery: "Ok, I got this straight from the boss, it was made for John Wayne to use in the film but at the last minute because he lost so much weight, he could not use it so another actor in the film wore it. But it was resized for John and it was sent back to him to keep. Hope that helps, Thank you."
 
His rig in The Shootist was made by Hunter. It's a straight belt slightly tapered at the buckle. The seperate steel lined pouch is screwed onto the heavy backskirt which then folds over and the belt can be slid through it. There is no cant, or angle, like on the rig we usually associate with him and so many of you have pictured here. My first rig, modified with a new steel lined pouch (but laced, not stiched) was a Hunter outfit my dad made me when I was a kid. See how the holster compares with J.B. Books rig. John Wayne used the most generic rig possible for his last film. Maybe he had to get something quick if he was indeed losing weight at the time and these were accesible fast. Whatever the case, it looked fine in what might be arguably (Sorry, Eathan Edwards) his best role.


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John Wayne's Holsters

One of the most famous western rigs of our time. Later after the "B" westerns, John Wayne wore rigs by Bob Brown (former LA County Deputy Sheriff) if memory serves me right. Duke also wore rigs from Andy Anderson's Gunfighter Gunleather as well as Alfonso's of Hollywood and John Bianchi made him a rig at some point. The rig on display at the Oklahoma Cowboy Hall of Fame Western Heritage Museum in Okla.City is an Alfonso Pineda rig (Alfonso's of Hollywood) that was donated by the Duke himself.

I verified this thru Richard Rattenbury that wrote the famous "Packing Iron" gunleather book. Richard was the curator of this museum for a few years. Several of Wayne's personal guns are on display as well and the two Great Western Arms SAA revolvers that he carried in the movie
"The Shootist" are there.

The rig that John Wayne wore in "The Shootist" was indeed a Hunter #1060 holster with a narrow belt with bullet loops added. El Paso Saddlery may have made a rig for Wayne (or more likely the former owner S.D. Myers) The rig Wayne wears in the movie "The Cowboys" appears that it could be such a rig or possibly the John Bianchi rig. So many have offered their renditions of this rig thru the years.

The yellow colored grips were made of "Catalin" a resin based almost bakelite type material that was man made. I have seen some exact copies on other old Colt SAA revolvers at gun shows thru the years. The "Catalin" grips on his donated Colt SAA revolver at the museum seems to have "shrinkage issues" from age. As I said earlier, the holster was an Alfonso
A11 "Old West" with the rough-out belt with thirty (30) 44/45 caliber loops. I hope this helps !
 
I agree it's a great looking set up and I might end up getting one. I just wondered why I couldn't find it in The Shootist. But, like others have said, it looks to be the exact rig Wayne used in his earlier movies.

When did you order yours? I think I read somewhere that the current suede money belts are not as light colored as the earlier ones.

The rigs with lighter belt that match what you see in all his later movies (except The Shootist) were made by John Bianchi who helped Wayne match the details and holster butt forward cant angle of the very first rig of unknown maker to this day. The Bianchi copy rigs were most used by him and are the ones copied by many today. Bianchi made 250 exact reproduction commemorative sets in the 1960s. Regular production Bianchi Wayne holsters are not exact reproductions of their Wayne model which has a shorter 'drop' and a half back flap.

The Bianchi rigs and the original for Wayne are not a money belt but sewn all the way around both ends without leaving one end open in the traditional money belt style of the 1800s.

The 20 year older production El Paso belts I have are lighter than their current production and are true money belts.

The belts are not suede which is a very thin and delicate processed leather; it's just "rough side out". It is made by doubling over one piece of leather with the smooth side in.

Bianchi had sold his company by the time of the making of The Shootist and I do believe he went to El Paso for his final rig which as was said had to be replaced by the Hunter rig on short notice.

The maker of the Duke's original holster rig of this style remains a mystery and can be seen at the link below. You'll notice it's similar but slightly different from most all those we saw in his movies or see reproduced today.

7/23/12 Update: I neglected to include that the original 250 sold out quickly and the issue was raised to 3000 sets.

John Wayne - American - One Colt Became A Trademark
 
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That level of deception in advertising would get me to shop elsewhere, no matter if he was supposed to were it, no matter if its a fine set-up, it still stinks!
 
John Wayne's Gun Leather

The commemorative Bianchi John Wayne rigs were made 1980-81 time frame. I have one still wrapped in the original box,complete. Bianchi didn't sell his interest in Bianchi International until the 1990's.
 
Hess rig Anderson made..

Wickahoney said:
PAGE #2. "DUKE" Outfit
A faithful rendition of the rig The Duke wore in most of his movies.
lined holster (lined using "roll over" method for easy reholstering)
What is the "roll over" method, and how is it used?
Hondo44 said:
John Bianchi ... helped Wayne match the details and holster butt forward cant angle of the very first rig of unknown maker to this day ... Bianchi made 250 exact reproduction commemorative sets in the 1960s. Regular production BianchiWayne holsters are not exact reproductions of their Wayne model which has a shorter 'drop' and a half back flap.

The maker of the Duke's original holster rig of this style remains a mystery and can be seen at the link below. You'll notice it's similar but slightly different from most all those we saw in his movies or see reproduced today.
So are you saying that the "half-breed" holster given to Hess shown in that article is the original used in Hondo?

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The rig is obviously hand-made, but no maker's mark could be found. After seeing detailed photos, holstermaker Jim Lockwood of Legends in Leather believed it could have been made by the late Andy Anderson. Eddy Janis of Peacemaker Specialists agreed … Anderson's partner, Victor Perez, reports that the first rig Anderson made for Wayne was in 1969. John Wayne: American - Oneliners, Stories, etc.
The Dukes old rig given to Hess by Wayne, could have been made by Anderson as these experts say, but if it was, it was not the original rig used in Hondo (1953). Andy Anderson did not move from Arkansas, to Los Angeles until 1958. Five years after Hondo was filmed.
 
What is the "roll over" method, and how is it used?

So are you saying that the "half-breed" holster given to Hess shown in that article is the original used in Hondo?


Hi,
The roll over method on the El Paso rig refers to the way the pouch lining is actually sewed on the outside top edge of the pouch then rolled over the edge and sewed inside. It's about the only feature not authentic to the Wayne rig but an attractive trademark of EP's holsters.

I do believe the original holster given to Hess was 1st used in Hondo.
 
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Bianchi Shootist belt

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El Paso Saddlery advertises .."The Shootist."
Antiquities International has a John Bianchi Shootist belt, owned by John Wayne. It is framed with a signed photo of Wayne as John Bernard Books, and letter of provenance from the family to whom John Wayne gave the belt to.
 
John Wayne's rig.

I've seen any number of rigs over the years identified as having been worn by John Wayne in his many western films. The Duke, of course, wore a number or rigs over his long career, as his fans are well aware, and certainly the best known of those is the rough out suede belt and the Halfbreed holster. Many years ago I saw one version of that rig on display at the Cowboy Hall of Fame in Oklahoma City, and I believe when the Duke wore that one out, John Bianchi fashioned another, newer version of the same rig, one that is now offered commercially by that firm, and in my opinion closest to the one actually worn by the Duke. In the last film made by John Wayne, "The Shootist", he is seen wearing a standard, off the shelf, Hunter 1060 holster, and cartridge belt. Today it seems that almost every commercial leather maker offers a version of the "Duke" rig, with the rough out belt, and several claim to have made the one he wore in his films. Depending on your passion for historical accuracy, I would take all of these claims, save Mister Bianchi's, with a grain of salt. I don't honestly know who made the original rig for John Wayne, the so called "Hondo" rig, although I suspect it was supplied by one of the prop houses in widespread use at the time. True collectible John Wayne memorabilia, will no doubt continue to be treasured by his many fans, although I noticed not long ago with a touch of sadness that Roy Rogers Pistols and Buscadero rigs, or some of them, had been sold off, when his store in Branson closed down for lack of business. Old cowboys, my generation, are dying off, but if anyone has a chance of remaining forever in the hearts and spirits of his fans, I think it will be the Duke.
 
PAULEM,

Welcome to the forum.

I just realized that the gun pictured in the original rig above is the Duke's 4 3/4" Colt. The Bisley trigger guard is the "dead giveaway".

His 5 1/2" 38-40 Colt used in earlier films was a standard Colt.

The 4 3/4" Colt was made up for him (and his large trigger finger) is a Bisley Colt with the trigger guard fore strap shortened and a standard 'plow handle' style back strap replacing the Bisley back strap.

The Bisley used a different cyl frame with a taller grip frame rear mounting surface around the base of the hammer. It can be seen sticking above the back strap if one looks closely at the gun above.
 
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Antiquities International has a John Bianchi Shootist belt, owned by John Wayne. It is framed with a signed photo of Wayne as John Bernard Books, and letter of provenance from the family to whom John Wayne gave the belt to.

I'm confused; I understand that his name was "Books" in the movie yet its spelled "Brooks" in this wall board with holster provenance. Somebody' mistake? Or something else entirely?
 
In motion picture production a huge amount of effort can be required to create, organize, and manage all of the equipment, costumes, and props required. Individual items might require multiple pieces for use during filming, both by the principal actors as well as by stunt men and stand-ins; this would include clothing, gun belts, holsters, and everything else involved.

When movies are successful at the box office, and especially when top-name actors are involved, the props and other items used in the film become very desirable as collectors' items. Frequently the individual actors are given some items used in the film as momentos. Sometimes the pieces will go to charity auctions. Some may go to producers, directors, and studio executives for display in offices or homes.

I suspect that in the movie "The Shootist" any number of stand-ins and stunt men were involved, so a large number of outfits were used, and not all of them by the Duke personally.

As noted by another forum member, Wayne's health was in decline at the time this film was produced and his weight was dropping considerably. Given the budgetary and time constraints involved in production it would be perfectly understandable to have some items substituted in order to proceed on schedule.

Given the enormous popularity of "The Shootist" it can be easily understood that there were lots of products made to commemorate the movie and John Wayne himself. Holsters and belts were (and are) certainly some of those. I've even made a few myself at the request of customers. I even have a new product line just about ready to offer (not direct copies, but certainly reminiscent of The Duke style).

Ah, crass commercialism. How very gauche.
 
I know many on this board are John Wayne fans and I thought this might lead to an interesting discussion.

El Paso Saddlery advertises a western holster rig in a style which they claim to have made for John Wayne to wear in his 1976 movie, "The Shootist". I'm in the market for a new western rig and I happened to be watching this movie the other day. I noticed that John Wayne wore a holster and belt that was nothing like the rig that El Paso Saddlery claims they made for the movie. The picture below shows the El Paso "#44" rig along with a description from their website.


From El Paso Saddlery………"The half-breed style holster and rough out moneybelt we made for John Wayne for use in the 1976 movie, The Shootist."

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Next, you will see some screen shots from The Shootist. Notice that Wayne wears a holster with no loop which has a full flap in the back resting against his thigh. Also, you will see that his belt looks like a 3" or so wide single piece of smooth brown leather and looks nothing like the suede money belt advertised by El Paso Saddlery. What gives?


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The holster worn by the Duke in The Shootist is an off the shelf Hunter, a relative inexpensive rig, and nothing like the one shown on the e.p. Saddlery website. Their rig is a close copy of Duke's most popular rig, the rough out suede belt, and clearly not the one he wore in his final film. E.P. Saddlery makes good leather, I have several of their rigs, and can't account for their confusion on this matter, having brought it to their attention on a previous occasion myself.
 
The holster worn by the Duke in The Shootist is an off the shelf Hunter, a relative inexpensive rig, and nothing like the one shown on the e.p. Saddlery website. Their rig is a close copy of Duke's most popular rig, the rough out suede belt, and clearly not the one he wore in his final film. E.P. Saddlery makes good leather, I have several of their rigs, and can't account for their confusion on this matter, having brought it to their attention on a previous occasion myself.

There's a simple explanation which once agaian proves truth is stranger than fiction:
El Paso's advertising claim that they made the Duke rig for the movie 'The Shootist' is indeed true. But due to his cancer, Wayne had lost so much weight by the time they started filming, that it was too big, so props ran out and acquired the 1st thing off the rack they could find, that's why he wears....sheesh....a Hunter rig in the movie.
 
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I'm confused; I understand that his name was "Books" in the movie yet its spelled "Brooks" in this wall board with holster provenance. Somebody' mistake? Or something else entirely?

Most likely misunderstood. Brooks is clearly a misspelling of Books.

But CREMONY was merely posting something that does exist without making any claim of it being the one used in 'The Shootist' by Wayne.

As someone else above said, probably a prop that Wayne acquired used by another actor or 'Extra' in the film.
 
Well, it only took 5 years to get to the bottom of this!
 
Almost, the rest of the story:

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The provenance of this original above rig at least in my opinion is absolute and used in HONDO and THE SEARCHERS.

On page 136 of John Bianchi's book there is a picture of the supposed "original" Duke rig:
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It's an original but with its sewed around toe, not "THE" original.

I was a Bianchi holster dealer and asked John Bianchi prior to his book about the 1st one. He told me that to the best of anyone's knowledge, it was that Bob Brown* made the original, the unsewn toe of which shown above was his style and he used a standard square 'Anchor' brand cast buckle, followed by copies from Alfonso, and El Paso made the final one to be used for a MOVIE, 'The Shootist', which as noted above could not be used by the Duke. Later Bianchi did one in the late 1970's at the request of the Duke who of course didn't know at the time he'd never get to use it in a movie.

*Wm. Brown Holster Co., Tombstone, Arizona says John Wayne's gun belt was actually a non-functional money belt, originally made by the artist Bob Brown of Hollywood. John Wayne is listed #71 for boot tops, holster and belt on Brown's celebrity customer list here: http://www.geostan.ca/brown.html

John Bianchi was friends with the Duke and was given the job to make the "final" Duke rig for the Duke followed up by the original commemorative rigs* Bianchi made that were very close to that final rig. And as said, too late to be used in any movie.

*They were not an "exact" copy on purpose, according to Bianchi. Some differences were minor construction details for mass production efficiency. In reading Wayne's letters to Bianchi again about Wayne wanting less cartridge loops I remembered another difference from Wayne's original and the Comm Sets. The sets all have the Bianchi standard # of cartridge loops, 24 on the smaller sizes and 30 on the waste sizes 36" and above.

According to John's daughter, our salesperson that visited us periodically as a Bianchi dealer, the commemorative sets would have the Bianchi designed Gunfighter buckle. They are an actual rendition of a 19th century style buckle that are wider than the anchor buckle. I have one original which is sterling silver plate with a brazed on loop and tongue. After a short time of selling those with his belts, they were too expensive so he switched by the time the comm. sets were produced, to a cast, nickel plated brass copy of the same size with his name cast in, a regular catalog item to this day.
 
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