Just heard on news that a shooting has taken place on Ft. Hood in Texas. 7 killed and 20 wounded. 3 shooters 1 of which has been caught. I know alot of forum members have family in service, hope all are safe.

I hear they got the one shooter "neutralized", and they have one cornered. The other one is still unaccounted for, and the base is on lockdown and it is the biggest base in the country. FBI is headed to the scene and the base and website is closed. All units are to report a 100% accountability of all personnel. 7 known dead and 12-15 wounded. This kind of senseless **** is what is ruining it for all of us here who are responsible gun owners. I just can't imagine what sets them kind of people off, 3 shooters at that....dumb a** wackos!!!

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Craig

You are assuming they are "wackos". This is very similar to the planned attack at Fort Dix that was broken up. Time will tell.

God bless those who were killed or wounded.

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sona si latine loqueris .

I really believe that the way the media portrays these events encourages those who commit such crimes.

Of course, they may be terrorists.

T-Star

Anyone who shoots another person who has done nothing to them is a WACKO planned or not.

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Craig

This is what happens when we have a President obsessed with passing socialist healthcare while completely neglecting homeland security, terrorist motivated or otherwise. This is Obama's fault!..... Wait a minute! Don't get mad. Of course it ain't his fault, but if this happenened a year and a half ago it would be blamed on Bush. And just watch. It will anyway. God bless these soldiers and thier families.

BOHICA ....
Bend Over Here It Comes Again.
this smells of that just right media frenzy needed to fast track some "common sense" legislation.

my prayers go out to the families of course, as well as those who are honored with the task of hunting down the remaining misfits .... Aim low and watch em writhe in their own sauce

If these wack jobs want to off themselves, I don't have a problem with it. I just can't understand why they feel compelled to take innocent people with them.

12 dead,31 wounded as of 1:57 PST.

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WALSTIB

On Fox news, the shooter, who was reported to be a soldier, has been shot dead. Two other soldiers have been called "suspects" and have been detained. One of the dead was a civilian police officer.

The C in C is talking now and i am sure he will explain it all.

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sona si latine loqueris .

I wonder if the soldiers in this mess tried to get mental treatment and couldn't. This seems to be a serious problem in the military, and for their families.

The more frequently soldiers serve in combat zones where little real progress is being made, the more stressed-out soldiers there'll be.

T-Star

Just heard that the shooter had two handguns...not an M16. He must have been pretty well trained to kill 12 soldiers with two handguns.

What is up with Obama? Rambling on for 5 minutes and giving a "shout out" before even mentioning the events at Ft. Hood? Disgraceful.

ABC News rporting that the shooter's identity is Malique Hassan. link to Facebook page below:

http://www.facebook.com/people/Malik...lik/1008970609

Appears to be a soldier with Islamic beliefs. Scary what the possibilities may be.

Thoughts and pryers for the fallen and their families. We're still waiting to hear from my sister-in-law who's husband is stationed there.

Some speculation that the assassination of the Seattle police officer is the start of something............now Ft. Hood......? That's near Killeen, where the Denny's? assassinations took place 15 or so years ago.

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Term limits!

The NBC station says that the primary shooter may be a Major!

If three were involved, might they be Muslims? (Hey, I can render specious, uninformed thoughts as well as the media can!).

I think the media should shut up until they know something, then put it on the evening news. This endless speculating and repetition just fuels those who want "glory" by committing such deeds.

T-Star

They are now reporting that the shooter was an officer (a Major) who was scheduled for deployment. Fox news and Senator Hutchison have the name but they are not going to release it until the Army does. They made a very strange statement though. They said the name itself was "telling".

This gets curiouser and curiouser.

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sona si latine loqueris .

I'm hearing on the local ABC channel that Major Malik Abdul Hassan , was a Gulf War vet and recent convert to Islam.

Surely we're not being guilty of profiling??......

Well, that about sums it up then.

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Not really. A guy with a couple of M9s and a crowd of unarmed victims with no place to go. It was like fish in a barrel.

The MSM will be blaming handguns well before they blame Islamic extremism.

I agree with you, Barb. It's ALWAYS the gun's fault, isn't it?

I'm able to follow this story from work. FOX, ABC, Drudge, etc are reporting that Major Hassan was killed. The reports are saying there were three separate shooting scenes; at a processing center, movie theater and PX, all places that would have a lot of folks as targets.

The major's identity and the fact of 3 coordinated attacks, makes one wonder if this was an act of terrorism. I'm sure there will be initial denials of terror, so as to not upset the Islamic community, but we shall see.

As for the anti-gun folks, they may not be able to effectively use this one. For decades they have been saying the only people who should have guns are the police and military. I suspect the Brady bunch will be quiet on this one, at least for a while.

I'm deleting my comments, for I posted incorrect links and information!


T.

is that confirmed as the facebook page? The shooter's name is Malik Nadal Hasan (with one s).

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I mean, you feel me....

Jeez, this hits close to home. I spent nearly two years at Ft. Hood from 1972 to 74. I know it was a long time ago, but somehow it feels like somebody just attacked my hometown.
Prayers to the victims and their families.

Pioneer461,great picture!!!Sums up my feelings exactly!

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WALSTIB

Yeh, yeh, yeh, I know profileing is bad. But, if someone blew up a local mostly black church. Woulden't it make sense to look closer at local Klan members, then NAACP members?

I was stationed at FT Hood in the early 80s.I hate GIs had to die in such a act. now get the dam foreigners out of our military. can we not learn from the roman empire.If your great great grand parents didnt live here you shouldnt be allowed in the military.

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God save the SOUTH

1. I believe he was born in Virginia.

2. The US military has always been full of "foreigners", from Germans to Irish to Poles to Vietnamese. US Army Special Forces was full of "foreigners" in the '50s, earning their US citizenship under the Lodge Act. One of the ROTC advisers (a Ranger adviser) from my ROTC Advanced Camp started his career in the Polish Army in 1939. When Poland collapsed, he switched to the French Army. When France collapsed, he switched to the British Army. In the late '40s or early '50s he joined US Army Special Forces and was still there in the late '70s.

3. Unless you're an Indian, you're descended from "foreigners", some of whom were probably in the US military, possibly before they were citizens..

my great grand mother was cherokee. but the rest is dutch irish. but we have been here since the 1700s. so im good.

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God save the SOUTH

My Great granfather was born in Bavaria, he came to Wisconsin in the early 1900s, served in the Army. His son was born in Kenosha and served in the Army. His grandson was born in Kenosha and served in the Navy. I was born in Flordia and served in the Army. I served with Phillipinos, Koreans. That being said this is a great tragedy, I pray for the families involved.

Not sure what would make a man snap like that or if it was pre-planned terrorism only the next few days will tell.

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Stan

Prayers to the victims' families, and strength and prayers to the wounded.

It aint the fact that he and his parents are arab. It,s the fact he was muslem. I am also from wisconsin, both my grandpa,s were german. Many of their sons, and son in laws were 1st generation americans, (about 4 sons and 4 son in laws), all fought in war two. They were all german but not nazis.

The shooter is still alive.

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thanks you for calling them German and not nazis. my German side came over and fought the US with the south. but I should clear up what I mean by foreigners.not what you are talking about .I mean the new ones like the musleums.

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God save the SOUTH

How's this? What's the source, please?

He was born in Virginia of Jordanian parents, a graduate of Virginia Tech in biochemistry, got his MD while in the service at USUHS, did his internship and residency at Walter Reed, and was a freeking psychiatrist, for God's sake, and a specialist in PTSD.

If the mental health professionals are losing it over the prospect of deployment, what the hell exactly is going on?


Bullseye

I wish the dunderheads in DC would figure out the fact that we are currently IN World War Three! It's the Muslim's vs the infidels. Infidels are good only for two things, conversion to Islam or death. I think this is the motivation of the Ft. Hood shooter.

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Stay safe people!

Per the Lt Gen. the shooter and officer that shot him are both alive!

I find it extremly unlikely 3 soldiers would "snap" all at the same time.

When this is sorted out I'm sure the reason will have nothing to do with "PTSD", or deployment.

He is a muslem. I understand that he was vocal about the "wrongfullness" of the war and many other strong statements. This country has become insane with reverse discrimination, profileing etc.
Its a sorry day when other officers and people that knew and worked with him were afraid to point out his statements no doubt because of political correctness!
If it smells like a duck,-------IT,s A DUCK!!

The Major is Alive as well as the Police Officer that shot him according to News Briefing by Gen. Cone!

SO what I gather up to now is:

1 Individual shooter, US Army Major, Ft Hood

2. 12 dead, 30 something wounded

3. US born of Palestenian parents, educated at Virginia Tech

4. Got his advanced medical & psychatric education & training at the Taxpayers Expense. Currently serving in the Army as pay back for his medical education.

5. Shooter is alive and in hospital / custody.

6. Muslim relegion

7. Worked as counsler to combat veterans.

I'm sure lots more will be swept under the rug in a wave of political correctness.

rayb
Ft Hood Texas 1967-68; 1987-88

New York Times -- On-Line Edition
November 6, 2009
Suspect Was ‘Mortified’ About Deployment to War

By JAMES DAO

WASHINGTON — Born and reared in Virginia, the son of immigrant parents from a small Palestinian town near Jerusalem, he joined the Army right out of high school, against his parents’ wishes. The Army, in turn, put him through college and then medical school, where he trained to be a psychiatrist.

But Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, the 39-year-old man accused of Thursday’s mass shooting at Fort Hood, Tex., began having second thoughts about a military career a few years ago after other soldiers harassed him for being a Muslim, he told relatives in Virginia.

He had also more recently expressed deep concerns about being sent to Iraq or Afghanistan. Having counseled scores of returning soldiers with post-traumatic stress disorder, first at Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington and more recently at Fort Hood, he knew all too well the terrifying realities of war, said a cousin, Nader Hasan.

“He was mortified by the idea of having to deploy,” Mr. Hasan said. “He had people telling him on a daily basis the horrors they saw over there.”

The Federal Bureau of Investigation earlier became aware of Internet postings by a man calling himself Nidal Hasan, a law enforcement official said. The postings discussed suicide bombings favorably, but the investigators were not clear whether the writer was Major Hasan.

In one posting on the Web site Scribd, a man named Nidal Hasan compared the heroism of a soldier who throws himself on a grenade to protect fellow soldiers to suicide bombers who sacrifice themselves to protect Muslims.

“If one suicide bomber can kill 100 enemy soldiers because they were caught off guard that would be considered a strategic victory,” the man wrote. It could not be confirmed, however, that the writer was Major Hasan.

Major Hasan was wounded and taken into custody by the Fort Hood police after the shooting spree, in which 12 people were killed and at least 31 others were wounded.

Though Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison of Texas reported that Major Hasan was to be deployed this month, that could not be confirmed with the Army on Thursday night.

Nader Hasan said his cousin never mentioned in recent phone calls to Virginia that he was going to be deployed, and he said the family was shocked when it heard the news on television on Thursday afternoon.

“He was doing everything he could to avoid that,” Mr. Hasan said. “He wanted to do whatever he could within the rules to make sure he wouldn’t go over.”

Some years ago, that included retaining a lawyer and asking if he could get out of the Army before his contract was up, because of the harassment he had received as a Muslim. But Nader Hasan said the lawyer had told his cousin that even if he paid the Army back for his education, it would not allow him to leave before his commitment was up.

“I think he gave up that fight and was just doing his time,” Mr. Hasan said.

Nader Hasan said his cousin’s parents had both been American citizens who owned businesses, including restaurants and a store, in Roanoke, Va. He declined to confirm reports that they were Jordanian, but said the parents, who are both dead, had immigrated from a small town near Jerusalem many years ago.

His mother’s obituary, in The Roanoke Times in 2001, said she was born in Palestine in 1952. It described her as a restaurant owner “known for her ability to keep sometimes rowdy customers out of trouble and always had a warm meal for someone who otherwise would not have anything to eat that evening.”

Records show that Major Hasan received an undergraduate degree at Virginia Tech and a medical degree at the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md. He did a residency at Walter Reed Medical Center and worked there for years before a transfer to the Darnall Army Medical Center at Fort Hood this year.

Major Hasan had two brothers, one in Virginia and another in Jerusalem, his cousin said. The family, by and large, prospered in the United States, Mr. Hasan said.

The former imam at a Silver Spring, Md., mosque where Major Hasan worshiped for about 10 years described him as roudof his work in the Army and “very serious about his religion.” The former imam, Faizul Khan, said that Major Hasan had wanted to marry an equally religious woman but that his efforts to find one had failed.

“He wanted a woman who prayed five times a day and wears a hijab, and maybe the women he met were not complying with those things,” the former imam said.

Mr. Hasan, 40, a lawyer in Virginia, described his cousin as a respectful, hard-working man who had devoted himself to his parents and his career.

Mr. Hasan said his cousin became more devout after his parents died in 1998 and 2001.

“His parents didn’t want him to go into the military,” Mr. Hasan said. “He said, ‘No, I was born and raised here, I’m going to do my duty to the country.’ ”

Jesus Help us...

Well I have been following the story on and off all day and trying to keep up with new developments. I think it's absurd that a devout Muslim would be counseling U.S. troops upon their return from fighting a war against......Muslims? I also see that the majors cousin called the major a "good soldier". Good for who? Allah?
I don't know what it is with these doctors but does anyone remember the Army doctor who didn't want to deploy to SWA in 1990? She was a reservist in K.C. MO and went to court to get out of going.
I hope Major Hassan gets well soon so he can walk under his own steam to the gallows.

Makes one wonder, doesn't it?
A man becoming unhinged enough by listening to those relating the horrors of combat in a clinical setting. Suddenly becoming SO horrified by it, that he decides to duplicate the carnage stateside?

Or, he could simply be following the Koran. I find it amazing people (not you) are surprised when a muslim does what the koran tells them to do.

Perhaps since he couldn't find a lady who prayed 5 times a day and dressed as he wished, he decided to go for the 72 virgins.

Big mistake.