Academy won't sell AR's or SD shotguns to anyone younger than 21!

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I was at out local Academy this morning, looking for more 45 ACP, when I notice a big orange sign hanging from their AR's in stock - it reads "This firearm for sale to persons OVER 21 years of age".

I inquired with the clerk as to the purpose (perhaps some new law that sneaked by)...he replied that it was Academy's policy to NOT sell AR, AK, or 'Defensive' shotguns to persons under the age of 21.

What's up with that? Not that I am even close to 21 anymore, but don't you think that they have a right (by virtue of their status as an adult) to purchase one of these firearms?

Has anyone else seen/heard this?
 
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Their store (and lawyers and investors) their choice.
There are signs up in gas stations that say they reserve the right to card anyone appearing under 45 when purchasing cigarettes too. The real question is-how do you think you'll like having mandated rules coming down the road at you, rather than the voluntary?
 
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gjgalligan said:
And when they turn 21 they will keep shopping elsewhere!
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This.

It is frustrating but it is their store. They are not breaking the law. People under 21 have the right to buy those things but they don't have the right to buy them from Academy. I wouldn't buy anything else from them either.
 
Academy discriminating against age

I belive we need to look at this in another perspective.
Lets say.."we will not sell guns to Old People age 45-60, due to their bad eyesight and wrinkled skin.
Lets say we dont sell gasoline to Old people because they cant see very good and could get into a wreck in their car!
Let's say.." We reserve the right to not sell firearms to..Blacks, Mexicans, or any other minority."
What form of discrimination is this not? Age, race, religion?
I think some people need to look at this, IF THIS IS TRUE, as a challenge to individual rights!
I am surprised that this did not cause a bit of an outrage and heart rate increase.

Over whelm their comment department with outrage. A law abiding citizen may buy what he /she is able by letter of fedral law.

http://www.academy.com/index.php?page=content&target=company/survey&lnkSRC=FromBottomIB
 
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buckyjames1 says "I belive we need to look at this in another perspective.
Lets say.."we will not sell guns to Old People age 45-60, due to their bad eyesight and wrinkled skin.
Lets say we dont sell gasoline to Old people because they cant see very good and could get into a wreck in their car!
Let's say.." We reserve the right to not sell firearms to..Blacks, Mexicans, or any other minority."
What form of discrimination is this not? Age, race, religion?
I think some people need to look at this, IF THIS IS TRUE, as a challenge to individual rights!
I am surprised that this did not cause a bit of an outrage and heart rate increase."
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But as several posters said, this is their store and they can do what they want with their merchandise.

Sorry, bucky, this won't fit a discrimination suit-age or otherwise, and as a matter of fact, I really don't care what this store does.

The sky is not falling (yet).

Bob
 
Stores may do what they want

So...I own a weapons store...
I will not sell you any weapons, ammo, or flashlights because you are a U.S.Army Vet, a Lifetime N.R.A member, a Cop, and over the age of...hmmm. lets say 25.
It is your take that this would be my legal right?
And I disagree about the...Sky Not Falling.
Its going to be small steps my NRA/Army/LEO commentator

http://www.academy.com/index.php?page=content&target=company/survey&lnkSRC=FromBottomIB
 
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buckyjames1 said:
So...I own a weapons store...
I will not sell you any weapons, ammo, or flashlights because you are a U.S.Army Vet, an N.R.A member, a Cop, and over the age of...hmmm. lets say 25.
It is your take that this would be my legal right?
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Likely legal, yes. Also lethal to your business.
 
All the hypotheticals are different from what really happened.

All that happened is the store won't sell certain items to someone who is between 18 (the Fed's legal age for long guns) and 21.

I don't sell much, but, if I posted some rifles or shotguns for sale, say at my club or range, and someone under 21 wanted to buy them, I would not sell them unless I knew him/her and the parents-and, even then, I might not.

Bob
 
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Lifetime NRA

Good for you...Oh defender of the 2nd Ammendment Lifetime Member, Vet, LEO.
Hypothetical:
"Perhaps then If you wished to buy a weapon from myself...I would discriminate against you.
I know nothing about you and although you can pass a federal background check and have no felonies, I would say...Nope. solely because your old."


Good job defending.
Good mindset,
Nice to know your a lifetime meber of NRA, Vet, and LEO and this is your mentality.


Hoperfully others will respond
http://www.academy.com/index.php?page=content&target=company/survey&lnkSRC=FromBottomIB

John
 
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Bucky,

Just like you think someone can't deny the "right" to purchase to another who is legally able to make the purchase,

I think you can't make me sell something to someone I don't want to sell to unless my refusal to sell is based upon a very narrow area of law dealing with discrimination.

This situation doesn't fit within that area.

Let's say I post something on the classifieds here. A poster says I will take it.

Do I have to go through with the sale?

The answer is no. And the would-be buyer's only recourse is to blast me on the feedback section. Or complain to Lee or a Mod. And, I suppose, if I do this too many times, I might not be a member here anymore.

I might not complete the sale because I decided to keep the item, or because I reviewed the buyer's prior posts and think he's a bit of a nut. Regardless, I can do what I want with my stuff.

So can this store (as long as it doesn't slip into that little narrow section of discrimination law I mentioned).

Bob
 
And the narrow gray area is where I believe they tread.

Disagree all you want.

We are not talking a Craig's list purchase, some curb side vendor, or an online forum with the possibility of selling to a forum "Buddy"

We are talking an FFL holder and a major commercial retail sports store.

So... is it your position that it is O.K. to have an FFL, be a major sports retailer and reserve the right to discriminate based on Race, religion, age, ethnicity, or whatever you so chose soley because of those criteria?

I would expect more from a lifetime NRA member.
Perhaps there is no more fight left


I here England and Australia are beautiful this time of year.

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Bucky,

I have plenty of fight left in me, but I get to pick the fights I want to participate in (most of the time, anyway). Since I retired, I have taken on a few legal matters, never charged the client a dime, and have been kind of enjoying it.

But, this "case" you are trying to make is a loser.

As for your legal analysis, I'd rather be representing the store than someone who filed suit based on your legal theory.

What you don't seem to "get," is that something may not seem "right," but that doesn't necessarily make it illegal or civilly actionable.

Bob
 
Most people who believe in freedom believe they have the right to do as they see fit. That same person, even if they think the store is within it's right to have that policy, can still disagree with it. That is why we vote with our wallet. I went to their site and commented against their policy, even though I think they have the right to have that policy.
 
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Forester, I think you are exactly right.

We don't have an Academy here (actually, I've never heard of it before).

We do have Dicks, and, since I disagree with some of the things they do, as policy (deals with the coupons at one particular store near our trap club), I don't patronize them.

But, I don't think I can sue them (at least not successfully) over their policy even though I believe they are wrong.

Bob
 
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bucky, you're just getting insulting and know nothing about my mindset.

Welcome to my ignore list. You're only the second person on this Forum to ever make it.

And don't send anymore PMs-I don't want to talk to you.

Bob
 
and so it is

Roger that Life timer/Army/ and LEO and consider it the same.
And good for you...exercising your right to not respond to forum debates...good for you

Perhaps it will open up eyes and fire up discussion on the rights and wrongs of retailors.

Lawyers...

Kinda weird that you can tell...
 
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If they're under 21 they probably wouldn't be able to wait the hour and a half to be checked-out.

Ar has a no helmet law that applies if you are 21 and up. Folks have screamed and hollered that "we" sold out our 18 up to 21 yr olds.

It's just the way the cookie crumbles. Had the law stated 18 and up it might very well have been shot down.

Private enterprise isn't your gubbermint. They can do what they want within the law. They smell a lawsuit and they're covering their butt.

Just for fun let's complain about how unfair it is for kids to have such high insurance rates. How dare they discriminate against our youth!
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Academy is the new K-mart. They have more of a gun selection, they sell a little more ammo than Wally-world, have a few gun safes and they sell sidearms.

They also have special order sale items. The Rossi 38spl I bought is identical the the 2" on the Rossi website except this special order for Academy was a three inch brl that isn't listed on the Rossi Website.

Model R35103 vs model R35102. Buds only has the R35102 and it's price, delivered w/3% cash discount is $295.

Academy's regular price for the R35103 is $249.99. So, if tax and transfer cancel each other out you're looking at 45 clams cheaper than Buds and Buds usually has good prices.
 
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