"... 11,000 fewer weapons... has made Scotland... safer."

[two-bit cowboy]

It is without judgement that I share this latest revelation from my ancestor's native land:

Over 12,000 weapons surrendered in airgun amnesty - The Scotsman

[Warren Sear]

(solemn nod)... If it saves just one life...

[jeffsmith]

Being of the Same Ancestry
I will quote my Late Grandfather

"They're DAFT"

[SweetMK]

They must have found the combination to my air rifle vault room,,,

I will go check!!

[les.b]

I'm only part Scot, but thank heavens my ancestors emigrated to this country. Come to think of it, I believe they may have had reasons even back then. Something about wanting to be citizens rather than subjects. Oh, yeah, and freedom of religion. Theirs wasn't approved of. I think there may have been some other motivations, but those were right up there. And we have folks right here in this country who probably think that what they are doing over there is a good idea.

Best Regards, Les

[Coldshooter]

We just got back from Scotland and this whole ban air guns started because a toddler was killed with an air gun ten years ago as I remember. The end of the amnesty period was in the news.

[woodsltc]

Originally Posted by Coldshooter

We just got back from Scotland and this whole ban air guns started because a toddler was killed with an air gun ten years ago as I remember. The end of the amnesty period was in the news.

Well, with that kind of logic if someone chokes on a chicken bone they will probably ban eating chicken for dinner.

Don

[Kronos]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA......*gasp*

Like I said before,just a matter of time until they get it into their heads to mess with genetics to breed a more docile "subject"

[les.b]

Not to bring up a sore subject, but speaking of amnesty periods, we have until July 6th to buy any ivory grips, or guns that have ivory grips on them, if they have to cross state boundaries. I have about 5 such guns, and always wanted to get a Colt .45 SAA 4 3/4" bbl with ivory grips. Guess I waited a little too long, although I see a few are still being offered here and there. Oh, well.... But I think that the musicians got a break, pianos and other musical instruments are exempted???

Best Regards, Les

[chud333]

Stupid is as stupid does.


Chuck

[g-dad]

That is just sad.

[TTSH]

So sad and pathetic I'm almost speechless.

[model70hunter]

Shortly after 1620 My paternal side left the UK for the colonies. Been free of the crown since. When they left the deer count in the UK went up, no one knows why.

So did Sheriff John the airgun collector get all of them? What about Robin Hood and his band of men? Will they thwart Sheriff John?

Will Queen Lizzy lead a horse posse to gather up the merry men?

Oh my!

[6518John]

I would think this is a Monty Python skit but for it being published in reputable sources.

YouTube

[cmort666]

Originally Posted by Warren Sear

(solemn nod)... If it saves just one life...

It hasn't apparently saved a single brain cell...

[Goodtime Charlie]

So much stupidity from such an accomplished culture. I guess they are imbibing too much of their national beverage to think clearly.

[BUFF]

I'm sure it might save an eyeball or two. After all, "Be careful with that thing, you'll put your eye out."

Two World Wars cost the British Empire the cream of their manhood. Talk about altering genetics.

[Cyrano]

Originally Posted by les.b

Not to bring up a sore subject, but speaking of amnesty periods, we have until July 6th to buy any ivory grips, or guns that have ivory grips on them, if they have to cross state boundaries. I have about 5 such guns, and always wanted to get a Colt .45 SAA 4 3/4" bbl with ivory grips. Guess I waited a little too long, although I see a few are still being offered here and there. Oh, well.... But I think that the musicians got a break, pianos and other musical instruments are exempted???

Best Regards, Les

Could you get an ivory stock for your 'Chicago piano'?

[A10]

They are trying to ban knives as well...thank God my forebears left around the time of the second outing......I shall tip some MacCallans to the fading memory of a grand country.

[Donn]

William Wallace, and all his respective parts, are spinning in their grave.

[Arik]

"Weapons"? .....Seriously? These are called "weapons"?

"Safer communities"? We're they really less safe before? Was there an air "weapon" scourge upon Scotland?

I think more kids die from playing baseball, running across busy roads, drinking soada, eating junk food. What about playgrounds and all those dangerous metal obstacles?

I call for a ban on cars, sports, sugar and pink slime!

The world is turning in Demolition Man and it will take just one Simon Phoenix to set it on fire

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[HARDWARE]

I saw a story several weeks ago where a Scottish man was arrested and charged with a hate crime for teaching his girlfriend's dog to give the "hitler salute".

aside from the fact that he was only really lifing his front leg.. I really don't think he knows anything about hitler.

for that matter, neither do most people.

but arrested?... hate crime? hate against who?

[g-dad]

Originally Posted by HARDWARE

I saw a story several weeks ago where a Scottish man was arrested and charged with a hate crime for teaching his girlfriend's dog to give the "hitler salute".

aside from the fact that he was only really lifing his front leg.. I really don't think he knows anything about hitler.

for that matter, neither do most people.

but arrested?... hate crime? hate against who?

I understand all the words you have typed here but am having a hard time comprehending them. Do you realize how bizarre that sounds when you say it out loud? You're messing with my head, right?

[Texas Star]

I've not heard the full story about that UK member of Parliament who was murdered about a week ago, by someone who opposed her view on whether the UK should stay in the EU.

I did hear that she was stabbed, and I think one talking head said also shot.

The media being what they are, I think they're covering up the shooting, as they don't want to admit it happened in England, with its strict gun control, as the US media bleats for more controls here, after the Orlando tragedy.

Did any of you guys hear the full story on that case? Was the MP shot as well as stabbed? If shot, with what?

I know that Scotland does have a lot of knife crime. This, despite quite strict knife laws.

[BUFF]

Shot several times with what one observer thought was a "very old" handgun possibly using black powder, based on the sound and smoke. Then stabbed numerous times.

[the ringo kid]

Scotland safer?

[the ringo kid]

Originally Posted by model70hunter

Shortly after 1620 My paternal side left the UK for the colonies. Been free of the crown since. When they left the deer count in the UK went up, no one knows why.

So did Sheriff John the airgun collector get all of them? What about Robin Hood and his band of men? Will they thwart Sheriff John?

Will Queen Lizzy lead a horse posse to gather up the merry men?

Oh my!

According to Josh Gates, their Sheriff is now only a ceremonial position--and its no longer sheriff but: Madame Sheriff.

[the ringo kid]

Originally Posted by HARDWARE

I saw a story several weeks ago where a Scottish man was arrested and charged with a hate crime for teaching his girlfriend's dog to give the "hitler salute".

aside from the fact that he was only really lifing his front leg.. I really don't think he knows anything about hitler.

for that matter, neither do most people.

but arrested?... hate crime? hate against who?

That story and arrest was at least ten years ago. And ya, their charges were stupid to say the least.

[the ringo kid]

Originally Posted by Texas Star

I've not heard the full story about that UK member of Parliament who was murdered about a week ago, by someone who opposed her view on whether the UK should stay in the EU.

I did hear that she was stabbed, and I think one talking head said also shot.

The media being what they are, I think they're covering up the shooting, as they don't want to admit it happened in England, with its strict gun control, as the US media bleats for more controls here, after the Orlando tragedy.

Did any of you guys hear the full story on that case? Was the MP shot as well as stabbed? If shot, with what?

I know that Scotland does have a lot of knife crime. This, despite quite strict knife laws.

Correct, she was both shot and stabbed and the only place I saw the story with this info--was FOX.

[Texas Star]

Found it on an Online ABC site. Her name was Jo Cox, and she was Labour. In West Yorkshire.

Yes, both shot and stabbed. No mention of the gun type.

Back when the Chief Constable for West Yorkshire (Colin Greenwood) wrote an epic study of British gun crime, it was excerpted in, Gun Digest. That officer also wrote for UK gun magazines. He was actually a knowledgeable gun authority.

His thesis was that as British gun laws grew tighter after the initial 1920 act, gun crime actually INCREASED. His was/is the best, most thorough study of the matter.

BTW, the Royals were not behind the awful 1997 gun ban. Prince Phillip was quite blunt in his comment on the matter, saying that it was useless and would not limit crime. A study by some Lord also concluded that the whole thing was just a measure to take guns from the law abiding. That included some 300,000 lawfully owned modern handguns, the owners of which had passed through the dense red tape to own their licensed guns.

Labour PM Tony Blair and his hardcore Socialist wife were not respecters of the Queen, although Blair gained some respect after meeting with Her Majesty over a period of time in his duties as Prime Minister. But it was the Labour party that conceived and passed that terrible law.

Gun laws in Britain reflect the resentment of the lower classes toward their better-off brethren, especially those of the upper classes, the likely owners of guns and able to use them in sport. These resentful commoners hate the better classes and probably insisted on that law to take away what they saw as a privilege of their betters. Also, the UK is basically a strict nanny state, taking away all manner of rights. I'd hate to live there. Their glory days are in the past.

[les.b]

Texas, I have spent time there, and concur with you. Some day I'll take the time to dig out a little study that I once conducted informally, which pretty much dovetails with your conclusions. I have a graduate degree from the University of Leicester in Criminal Justice, and spent some time in the UK working on it. Like I hear folks say about other socialist nanny States: "It's a nice place to visit, but I'd hate to live there"!!!

Best Regards, Les

[model70hunter]

We all go tsk, tsk. In reality what we see happening on the fringe of the civilized world is slowly encroaching into our way of life.

Also remember there are airguns of 303 caliber that are capable of downing fair size game.

I have not read if this runs the gamut of .17 cal to large bore guns.

I falls under the saying something evil this way comes.

[Beemer-mark]

Interesting story, they only have another 487,000 unlicensed airguns that were not turned in. So it sounds like the majority of Scots aren't that docile after all. especially if you read the blogs -

[S&W ucla]

Originally Posted by Donn

William Wallace, and all his respective parts, are spinning in their grave.

Something tells me he would not have turned in his sword. Sad state of affairs. Glad I live in the land of the free! At least for now

[Old TexMex]

The most dangerous thing in Scotland is a drunk front-row forward, I barely escaped with my life. An air rifle would have been ineffectual against that mug, I promise you.

[Biggfoot44]

Well , the UK air guns were already restricted to a particular level of energy. I want to say 15 or 20 ftlb , but I'd have to look it up. In any case less than the majority of US sold inexpensive break actions.

Seriously if you wished to get physical with a UK spec airgun, it would be much for dangerous/ effective to buttstroke with it, than to actually shoot someone with it.

[patvince]

Originally Posted by Texas Star

Found it on an Online ABC site. Her name was Jo Cox, and she was Labour. In West Yorkshire.

Yes, both shot and stabbed. No mention of the gun type.
.

It seems the gun was a "home made weapon" .....not a manufactured gun.

and BTW, the killer had some mental health issue (violence..) ....

[ImprovedModel56Fan]

Originally Posted by Beemer-mark

Interesting story, they only have another 487,000 unlicensed airguns that were not turned in. So it sounds like the majority of Scots aren't that docile after all. especially if you read the blogs -

Bolded to indicate the source of my disagreement.

[pmanton]

Originally Posted by les.b

Not to bring up a sore subject, but speaking of amnesty periods, we have until July 6th to buy any ivory grips, or guns that have ivory grips on them, if they have to cross state boundaries. I have about 5 such guns, and always wanted to get a Colt .45 SAA 4 3/4" bbl with ivory grips. Guess I waited a little too long, although I see a few are still being offered here and there. Oh, well.... But I think that the musicians got a break, pianos and other musical instruments are exempted???

Best Regards, Les

I too lust for ivory grips for my Colt SAA. However they'd cost as much as my revolver. :-(

[Ray]

Google up Dr. Joyce Lee Malcolm - she has a book on english gun control.I never read it but it seems to be a very good one, shattering the arguments of the gun control crowd to dust.
Regards, Ray

[Irn-Bru]

The gun ban in Scotland started when some crazy shot up a Dunblane School. I won't mention his name and give him the satisfaction, he's dead anyway. It was very easy for them to pull of the ban as the majority were in shock of this tradgedy and they pushed it hard. I was born and raised in Scotland and remember it pretty well.

This will probably tick many here off, but I see the US going the same way. Not in my lifetime and maybe not for another 100 years, but slowly and surely they will convince people from birth through schools and media guns are bad. Eventually the majority will be against them. Do hope I'm wrong.

[Arik]

Originally Posted by Irn-Bru

The gun ban in Scotland started when some crazy shot up a Dunblane School. I won't mention his name and give him the satisfaction, he's dead anyway. It was very easy for them to pull of the ban as the majority were in shock of this tradgedy and they pushed it hard. I was born and raised in Scotland and remember it pretty well.

This will probably tick many here off, but I see the US going the same way. Not in my lifetime and maybe not for another 100 years, but slowly and surely they will convince people from birth through schools and media guns are bad. Eventually the majority will be against them. Do hope I'm wrong.

Is that the same incident which lead to England banning guns? Mid 80s I believe?

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[Goodtime Charlie]

Originally Posted by Irn-Bru

The gun ban in Scotland started when some crazy shot up a Dunblane School. I won't mention his name and give him the satisfaction, he's dead anyway. It was very easy for them to pull of the ban as the majority were in shock of this tradgedy and they pushed it hard. I was born and raised in Scotland and remember it pretty well.

This will probably tick many here off, but I see the US going the same way. Not in my lifetime and maybe not for another 100 years, but slowly and surely they will convince people from birth through schools and media guns are bad. Eventually the majority will be against them. Do hope I'm wrong.

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it's natural manure.

The tree of liberty...(Quotation) - Thomas Jefferson Encyclopedia

[Irn-Bru]

Originally Posted by Arik

Is that the same incident which lead to England banning guns? Mid 80s I believe?

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Yep that's the same incident.

[Old TexMex]

Originally Posted by Irn-Bru

The gun ban in Scotland started when some crazy shot up a Dunblane School. I won't mention his name and give him the satisfaction, he's dead anyway. It was very easy for them to pull of the ban as the majority were in shock of this tradgedy and they pushed it hard. I was born and raised in Scotland and remember it pretty well.

This will probably tick many here off, but I see the US going the same way. Not in my lifetime and maybe not for another 100 years, but slowly and surely they will convince people from birth through schools and media guns are bad. Eventually the majority will be against them. Do hope I'm wrong.

Precisely the same scenario in Australia when I lived there, the killings in Tasmania. The anti gun mantra "Never let a crisis go to waste" could also be "if there isn't a crisis, we'll create one".

[Old TexMex]

Research and memory refresher of the Dunblaine Massacre reveals some interesting information regarding the murderer. He had been complained and acted against numerous times over many years, was undoubtedly unstable and yet the authorities did nothing in the way of incarceration, treatment or even surveillance.
So handguns were outlawed. Brilliant.
The investigation transcripts into the handling of complaints against the perp were sealed for 100 years.

Now, regarding the murders in Tasmania, (leading to extremely strict federal laws in Australia) consider this:
transcript

[Rock185]

I'm guessing our Red Rider BB gun would be a "high capacity assault weapon" there. It holds a lot of BBs. I don't even know how many, but it must be a scary lot. The little Daisy milk carton of "Max Speed" BBs would probably qualify as an "arsenal" in Scotland. Oh "the humanity".

[les.b]

Originally Posted by Rock185

I'm guessing our Red Rider BB gun would be a "high capacity assault weapon" there. It holds a lot of BBs. I don't even know how many, but it must be a scary lot. The little Daisy milk carton of "Max Speed" BBs would probably qualify as an "arsenal" in Scotland. Oh "the humanity".

Rock:

You're right: Ralphie is probably considered a terrorist over there, and his Red Ryder is long gone, ground up into scrap metal with all the other scary things that frighten our "cousins"!!!!



Can you imagine how our poor young minds were warped by advertisements like this:



Ahhh, the good old days!!!

Thanks for bringing "A Christmas Story" up, Rock. I watch it with my kids and grandkids every Christmas, and yes, my kids got BB guns, and on their 16th birthdays, they each received a "Pre 64" Winchester Model 94 30-30 Carbine. They still have them, too.

Best Regards, Les

[G-Mac]

Scotland released the terrorist airplane bomber for "compassionate reasons". Now this ****. I'm just going to tell everybody I'm Irish.

[les.b]

Well, folks, while I was getting nostalgic about the Red Ryder BB gun, and making fun of Scotland, I ran across this little tidbit, which looks to me like we are already on the way towards getting on the same pickle that our U.K. Cousins are in: Court ruling makes Minnesota latest state to call BB gun 'firearm' | Fox News

Once we start defining BB guns as "firearms", they then will become subject to the same laws that govern real firearms. And what a slippery slope that would be. Let's mull this over and see just how, if we are not vigilant, we might end up in the not so enviable position as the poor Devils in the U.K.!!!

Best Regards, Les