Since I live in N.W. Indiana the only TV news available to me is Chicago news. There are no local stations. Every day I get a body/wounded count from overnight Chicago. This morning was pretty sad. An 11 year old was shot 3 times, last night, one in his liver. He's hospitalized. As the news goes on throughout the morning, it turns out his brother is in another hospital because he was shot last week. His mother now commutes between the two hospitals. I heard there was a botched school shootup at UT this morning. What the heck is going on?

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It's all just a hoax. Chicago has gun control.

True enough, but gangsters control all the guns. Explain a mentality that's willing to shoot virtually anyone.

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In Chicago, this is LITERALLY true.

They either physically possess them, or determine whether anyone else can.

That can't be. They have some pretty strong gun laws

It is the gangs or want to be gang members doing this stuff. In the closest big city, they are having shoot outs about everyday.
Sadly, innocent people come under fire. The bad thing is that it is just going to get worse as more and more come of age with this attitude.

A few questions:

1. What is the population of Chicago?
2. How many annual deaths from shooting do they have?

I have an idea that the cities of New Orleans and Shreveport, Louisiana are likely worse and we have plenty of guns owned by citizens.

Shreveport has almost 200,000 citizens. There is a shooting death almost nightly there. The end of year total are about 20 shooting deaths per 100,000 people. I think they stopped counting the number of shooting injuries since they happen daily.

New Orleans has about 250,000 and there are 52 homicides per 100,000 people. Almost everyone in New Orleans owns a gun. Presently Louisiana is second in the nation with homicides, following Washington DC. New Orleans is the highest in the nation for gun violence.

The difference with Chicago is the people own unregistered guns.

It is not the guns killing people or saving people's lives, it is the people with the guns and the way they use them.

Chicago proper has about 3,000,000 people give or take 500,000-750,000 illegals. Total population of Cook County has to be considered as some of the suburbs are just as bad. I believe thats close to 5,200,000. It's tough to nail down shootings per 100,000 as most of these gang people drift between Chicago and suburbs. My question is: Are shootings in N.O. publicized as much as what I see? Believe it or not, since the Macdonald (sp?) victory the guns aren't mentioned as the main cause anymore.

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Also you can't trust crime figures from the Daley junta.

If one guy is standing on the corner of 78th and Honore (my last neighborhood there) and he gets shot, how many shootings does that count as? One.

If five guys are standing on the corner of 78th and Honore and they all get shot, how many shootings does that count as... wait for it... One.

AND the pathetic puppet Police Superintendent has now divided murders into "inside" and "outside" murders, with the former not subject to police intervention.

Corrupt government, corrupt police, corrupt citizenry, how could anybody POSSIBLY expect anything different than what's happening in Chicago?

So, between gangsters and people who vote in politicians who enable other gangsters, just how many innocent people ARE there in Chicago, aside from a few children?

the chicago Police Superintendent joe dee w. says "the streets of chicago are safe" and "crime is down" so, you see, there really isnt any problems in chicago as long as the dick & joe dee are in charge.

u folks r 2 hard on the windy paradise

N.O. shootings are in the media daily. The latest newsworthy shooting was where a baby was shot in the face while watching a parade this week. The baby was fatally injured but there was a gun fight during the parade and others were shot as well.

That's the case. But the truth won't set you free, instead it gets your thread locked.

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Being politically correct is not my speciality. I figure if it is a fact, then why not admit to it. One of the problems in the USA is people feel the truth should be avoided if it steps on someone's toes.

Last month, we had an area city coucilman object publically to the media about the city considering a large cash donation to a group that does not bring in a dime in any form but is supported entirely by the government at taxpayers expense but solely is for the pleasure of the group. The guy got crucified in the media and by others saying the guy was politically insensitive.

I felt he was right.

According to the FBI, in 2007 49% of murder victims in the U.S. were black, but black folks account for only about 12% of the population. Whites accounted for about 69% of the population, but only 47% of murder victims were white.

Similarly, while whites account for 69% of the population, in 2004 just 33% of identified murderers were white. Among blacks, that 12% of the population constituted 35% of the identified murderers.

Young people in their 20s are those overwhelmingly most likely to kill and be killed, white or black, but among blacks the age distribution is skewed toward younger victims and perpetrators. More than half of black murder victims — 51 percent — were in their late teens and twenties. Comparatively, just over a third — 37 percent — of white people murdered were between 17 and 29.

Almost all murders are intra-racial -- whites kill whites, and blacks kill blacks. Specifically, most of the black murder victims — 93 percent — were killed by other black people. About 85 percent of white victims were slain by other white people.

It's a combination of drugs, gangs, and other social ills that are driving these numbers and have been for decades. Since blacks are more likely to experience these problems than whites, the above statistics should not surprise anyone.


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Not the case. Lots of Hispanic on Hispanic violence as well. Hispanics seem to be displacing Whites AND Blacks, at least compared to the demographics in play when I lived there in the '80s.

I like to call the place the northernmost state of Mexico.

Hadn't considered posting anything so soon,(just joined today) but you're talking about my city. When I moved here 32 years ago it was going to be for a max of 10 years. just enough to make my money and move on. But, fell in love with the city - it's a great place to live if you know where to live. And can afford it. Summertime along the lake - perfect.

However, it's lost something in the last few years or I'm just getting older. Many people have grown tried of Daley, thou he truly loves this city he can't say no to his buddies who treat the city like a never ending cash machine. The corruption is finally gettin' to us all.

The police force is down about 2200 officers; none of the cops respect the super (call him j-fled). It's become a more dangerous city as the gangs on the south side become ever more brazen.

Second City Cop

Now you might wonder why I'm on this forum. For 32 years I've never had a problem in this city, and never had a gun or wanted one, even thou I've spent more than a little time in questionable neighborhoods. I don't really know what prompted me to get armed, just felt right. Thanks to the recent decision, I can now own one legally . So my second gun, which I just picked up yesterday, is a 5906. Came to me from Puerto Rico. After I cleaned it up, nearly flawless. And soon as I figure out these sights (shoots low and left) I'll be very happy with this choice.

I'm trying to look at the problem from a practical standpoint. If you approach it directly, with the facts you're a racist. In my OP I referred to a single case where 2 brothers were shot and hospitalized within a week on different sides of town. Who the hell is paying what will be in the hundreds of thousands of dollars for this care? If the trigger happy morons that shot shot these guys are caught, tried, and locked up for 10 to 15 who pays for that? The answer is of course you and me. If we weren't financially responsible for these people from cradle to grave I wouldn't care in the least about what they do to each other

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[QUOTE=JcMack;135637322] 2 brothers were shot and hospitalized within a week on different sides of town. Who the hell is paying what will be in the hundreds of thousands of dollars for this care? QUOTE]

Why Obamacare of course. Why do you think our generous president and congress passed national health care? Just so these unfortunate victims of social injustice will be taken care of. Them and the millions of illegals. And we get the honor of paying for it, one way or another.
Our government is getting out of control.

303 people were shot in Chicago during July.

Here in Metro Birmingham we have multiple shootings on a daily basis. Last Friday there were three separate triple murders. In Jefferson County 12% of the population have CCW's. According to one LEO I know, 75% carry a gun. I found the need to draw my gun just yesterday, but the situation ended without any shots fired. I think most all large urban areas have similar problems these days.

El Paso must be doing somethign right...an odd situation for us. Although we live just across the Rio Grande from Juarez, one of the most violent cities in the world, we have very little violence. I think we're up to about 6 murders so far this year, in a city of almost 800,000. We usually average about 15 per year.

How many of those were fatally shot?

It's a social problem not a gun problem. The solutions are difficult & it's a lot easy to blame guns that try to deal with the real issues.

I tend to partially disagree. I feel it to be a government problem and a lack of respect.

We have became a "give me" nation. People no longer want to work or earn what they get. If someone does not give them what they want, they either sue for their right to be given what they want or else they just take it.

People on welfare or subsidized housing tend to have kids that grow up on the system. They lack respect for themselves and therefore cannot respect others. Life means little to them because the government gives them what they want and their way of life is fully controlled by the government. Those that can vote will not vote their money tree out of office.

The guns come in to play when some adult buys a gun to have around the house. Unlike most of us that were taught to properly use a gun, now they are tossed into a drawer and never fired. The kids know about the gun but has never had any instruction or disipline with it. Then some kid in the project whips or bullies another and that kid knows where the gun is. He gets it and goes after the bully. In the event the kid makes it to 21, he moves out on his own and buys a gun for protection. He begins to carry it since the areas he visits are pretty rough. Someone ticks him off and he uses the gun.

It is also common for those growing up in the system to take the guns and use them in robberies because they did not get the things they wanted from the government and they will then take it from those that worked for what they have.

I had a case this week where a guy whose entire family all the way back to grandma has been on welfare used a gun to rob a business. He got caught but said he did it because he wanted rims on his car and they cost $1200 that he did not have. If he went to work, the system would have made his mother pay rent and reduced her checks.

Last night in a predominantly African American neighborhood in Chicago: A 69 yr. old woman was being harassed by two juveniles. This has been going on for months. The "kids" are 11 and 12. Yesterday when she went to the store, these little gents broke most of her windows with rocks. After returning home the kids returned to harass her again. When she confronted them, they threw rocks at her. So she pulled a gun and shot one in the arm. (she needs more practice!!) I'll bet that suprized those little scamps. No charges against her filed. Kids both charged with aggravated battery. I hope she got her gun back,she will no doubt need it. It turns out the boys have been pulling **** on everybody in the neighborhood. "It takes a village to raise a child". When the villagers don't want to get involved, the oldest, frailest villager has to act. Nothing anti gun has been mentioned yet.

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Inevitably, this topic has migrated into a political and, to some degree, a racial discussion.
Both topics are not allowed on this board.
Closed.

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