Who Killed JFK?

357larry · #51 11-09-2010, 11:32 PM

I think ancient-one is on the right track, LBJ. I remember watching a program on the History channel years ago that had audio recordings of meetings between LBJ and several defense contractors. The defense contractors were worried that Kennedy was going to get us out of Vietnam therefore ending their cash cow. LBJ was heard saying that if they (the defense contractors) would take care of Kennedy, then he (Johnson) would see to it that they all become rich.

J. W. · #52 11-10-2010, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Bullseye 2620

What I know is this: the assassination of Jack Kennedy, followed by Martin Luther King and Bobby Kennedy, began the long slide into darkness on which we are still. While it is certain that elements within the CIA were furious with Jack Kennedy for pulling the air cover for the Bay of Pigs operation (don't ask me how I know that), that Sam Giancana and others in the Mob were furious with him for ending their sweet deal in Cuba, and that Castro had enough justification for a reprisal, none of these speculations has stood the test of time because of the simple fact that large organizations leak like sieves. Lee Harvey Oswald, acting alone, gets my vote. But again, it matters not. The fact that so many of us are willing to even entertain the idea of a massive cover-up of the murder of a President should tell us what we really need to know -- big institutions in this country are not trusted, and the corrosion continues day by day.

Bullseye

Excellent post, sir!

I'm still somewhat undecided, but I lean toward the Warren Commission's findings.

dacoontz · #53 11-10-2010, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by tripledipper

Onassis did it of course. Jackie wanted out. How's that? And I have Ruby's Cobra.

I was just wondering if you'd show up. The story of how you acquired that gun is awesome. Any updates on what you've done with it or if anybody has thrown some offers at you for it.

Sorry, off topic, kind of. I don't have an opinion but I am not sure how I feel about an overpriviledged rich boy whose family got rich during the prohibition being leader of the free world. Although, I wasn't around but he seemed to want to do good things for humanity and it does seem like things in this country changed after that day. I would think that if someone or some organization could find out a way to get away with killing the president then things in this country would never be able to go back to it's innocence. Because of my age, I unfortunately never knew any different.

bulletproof-791 · #54 11-10-2010, 12:37 AM

Elvis did it with the help of jimmy hoffa and oj simpson

HOUSTON RICK · #55 11-10-2010, 12:40 AM

Lee Harvey Oswald, who also occupies Lee Harvey Oswald's tomb, did it with a cheap Italian rifle and marine marksmen training. Why? Because he would literally do anything to be well known.

beach elvis · #56 11-10-2010, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by bulletproof-791

Elvis did it with the help of jimmy hoffa and oj simpson

Thanks for not typing, "beach" as the first word in your post.:-)

Seriously though, I was enthralled by the History Channel series. I'm not sure of their specific motivations but I'm convinced the mob was behind it. Castro said that the russians told him to watch Kennedy's back. So much for the cubans or the Red Threat.

I'd LOVE to know what Ruby and Hoover knew, I can sure tell ya that.

bmcgilvray · #57 11-10-2010, 01:08 AM

My son and I ran over to Dallas on a "father and son day out" last summer before he entered the Marine Corps and went to the 6th floor museum. We also poked around the site. This was only the second time I've ever walked over the grounds since the event though I've been along Elm Street a number of times over the years.

We took some photos of the grassy knoll and saw a suspicious character in one of them.

In the first one shown here, there appears to be someone behind the bushes.

He's gone in the second photo.

Now what do you think of that?

Here's an enhanced copy of the elusive image behind the bushes.

"X" marks the spot of the second bullet's impact. This photo was made of the sixth floor window while standing on the "X" on the pavement.

Looking over the wooden fence atop the grassy knoll reveals ... nothing.

Looking over the wooden fence from the other side, toward Elm Street reveals ... a camera fooled by the glare.

Note the cryptic message "Russia knows..." This has to be some sort of clue.

handejector · #58 11-10-2010, 01:31 AM

bmcgilvray-
You've solved the mystery!
Them's tha guys!
an you got pics!

WHICH WAY DID THEY GO????

R. G. Amos · #59 11-10-2010, 01:38 AM

I will say again: I had absolutely nothing to do with this

BUFF · #60 11-10-2010, 02:14 AM

I forgot who wrote this first, but it about sums it up: "People just refuse to believe that some loser with a thirty dollar rifle blew away Camelot."

I took a course in college about the assasination and the conspiracy theories surrounding it. At the end of the course, the professor said, "Looking it from every angle we can, it looks like Oswald actually did it, acting alone. But, it's all just so CURIOUS!"

semperfi71 · #61 11-10-2010, 02:19 AM

JFK in San Antonio, Texas on November 21, 1963.

It was too easy for ANYONE to have shot him.

I remember my Mother, who was working downtown that day, snapping a black and white photo of JFK as well. I was only about 10 or so and I remember thinking, "That doesn't appear to be a good idea having the President ride around in a car like that." I have read the Secret Service didn't like the idea either. And that others in his "entourage" or cabinet did not want him going to Dallas for sure because of the strong right-wing people there.

What is interesting, and telling of how far our society has slipped, is that there was never any report of any kind of negative attitudes towards JFK as he rode that open car in either city...until he was shot. EVERYONE was respectful. That is no longer possible today for any President of any political leanings.

TRanger · #62 11-10-2010, 11:33 AM

I used to follow the conspiracy theories closely. As time has gone by and more light has been shed on the known facts, I think they point to a specific individual: Lee Harvey Oswald.
Also, a word about J. Edgar Hoover. Hoover's history has been extensively re-written by leftists since his death. There is not one shred of evidence to support the nonsensical stories about cross dressing, homosexuality, and mob ties. Hoover was a man utterly dedicated to protecting his country against enemies foriegn and domestic. He sometimes overstepped his bounds in his determination to do so.

sipowicz · #63 11-10-2010, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by TRanger

Also, a word about J. Edgar Hoover. Hoover's history has been extensively re-written by leftists since his death. There is not one shred of evidence to support the nonsensical stories about cross dressing, homosexuality, and mob ties.

My great Uncle was in the FBI and we were told that Hoover used to always ask to borrow his floral corset and silk garters...Uncle Sal said he never minded lending him a cocktail dress or evening gown...but not undergarments.

wheelgun28 · #64 11-10-2010, 12:47 PM

I shouted out,
"Who killed the Kennedys?"
When after all
It was you and me

Let me please introduce myself
I'm a man of wealth and taste

feralmerril · #65 11-10-2010, 01:58 PM

Thats very profound. I dont understand a word of what you said. Want to ratchet that down to a level I might understand?

Bullseye 2620 · #66 11-10-2010, 02:07 PM

It's lyrics from "Sympathy for the Devil," by the The Rolling Stones. One of the next lines, as I recall, goes, "Use all your well-learned politics, or I'll lay your soul to waste."

I think wheelgun28 is saying, "the Devil did it."

Bullseye

feralmerril · #67 11-10-2010, 02:21 PM

Thanks. The rolling stones? I dont want to burn up my brain to be able to understand that stuff. I will just remain a uncool dork. Thanks.

Matt C. · #68 11-10-2010, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Dennis The B

...of the winter of 2007-2008 reading a very lengthy tome written by Vincent Bugliosi - Reclaiming History: The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy (2007).

As of today, it's the most lengthy, well-detailed explanation of the death of President Kennedy. It debunks, and otherwise puts to rest, every other theory and conspiracy surrounding the assassination of Kennedy.

Every other theory requires either a suspension of reality, or literal belief in conspiracies behind every shrub.

Lee Harvey Oswald was a loser/loner, who couldn't have been trusted to put out the trash, let alone keep his share of a conspiracy quiet.

Jack Ruby, was a wannabe, never quite fitting in with any one group. He knew people on both sides of the legal line, but could never have been in the Chicago mob, mainly because of his big mouth.

Oswald was the lone assassin, using a relatively accurate rifle, from of distance of less than 75 yards. He got off three shots, the third being a fatal. He is also likely the same person who attempted to assassinate retired General Edwin Walker, who was forced to retire from the U.S. Army after distributing literature to troops under his command in West Germany.

Yep, required reading (all 1500 pgs) if you really want to be informed.

bountyhunter · #69 11-10-2010, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Texas Star

A well-known magazine has a feature this month on who killed JFK. Says the mob did it.
What's your view on this? Or, are you just tired of all the theories?

T-Star

Yeah, the mob did it...or Castro did it as retaliation for the bay of Pigs.... or Lyndon Johnson did it because he had cancer and wanted to be president before he died.... or the CIA did it because they were using the Viet Nam war to smuggle heroin and JFK planned to get us out of the war.... or the Russians did it because JFK humiliated them over Cuban missiles.

It's all a load of baloney. The mob thing is BS: If they had gone after anybody it would have been Robert Kennedy who was after them.

mtgianni · #70 11-10-2010, 05:00 PM

While we have had Presidents die before, the cover up and wait for the Warren Commission's report, then subsequent re-release with still most of it hidden was the real end for much of our generation trust in Government. The fact that in the start of the information age, we could neither know or be trusted with the truth was the real start of rebellion against Government, IMO.
The magic bullet theory has made little sense to me as a hunter.

Damn Yankee · #71 11-10-2010, 06:11 PM

Have any of you watched this on youtube?

YouTube - The President Who Told The TRUTH

jkc · #72 11-10-2010, 09:47 PM

Tantalizing as it may be to reveal, once and for all, the real truth of the matter, I'm afraid that no statute of limitations applies to those of us who actually know what really happened, and so, to protect ourselves from the inevitable retribution were we to do so, I have nothing further to say about the matter.

Redlevel summed it up nicely --- Occam's Razor explains the known and undisputed facts in a satisfactory manner.

However, it has always troubled me that multiple shots could be fired as accurately as they were, at the ranges involved, with a *** war surplus junker that you could then buy, still greasy with Cosmoline, for about $4.00 at the Newberry's on Main St., and ammo for another couple bucks... Hmmm....???

sheriffoconee · #73 11-10-2010, 09:50 PM

Not only did Oswald, acting alone, kill Kennedy, he also murdered Officer J.D. Tippet, a veteran of WW2 who earned a Bronze Star with the 513th P.I.R.

amd6547 · #74 11-10-2010, 11:06 PM

I used to doubt that the shot was plausable with the weapon used. Now I own a Carcano carbine, and believe the weapon was quite capable of firing quickly and accurately at the range the shooting took place. My Carcano is one of the slickest handling bolt rifles I have ever fired.
However, I simply do not believe the story as presented.

cp1969 · #75 11-11-2010, 12:03 AM

What was it, three shots in four seconds at basically a straight-away, 15 mph, 6" diameter target less than 100 yards away?

Not exactly easy, but not that hard, either.

bountyhunter · #76 11-11-2010, 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by jkc

However, it has always troubled me that multiple shots could be fired as accurately as they were, at the ranges involved, with a *** war surplus junker that you could then buy, still greasy with Cosmoline, for about $4.00 at the Newberry's on Main St., and ammo for another couple bucks... Hmmm....???

I have to admit, it is genuinely amazing he could fire that accurately with a Manlicher gun which was once nicknamed the Gun Who Never Hurt Anybody On Purpose. It is amazing, but possible. I might be persuaded that Oswald had an accomplice ahead of the cars who also fired a shot, which does not reduce Oswald's guilt.

bountyhunter · #77 11-11-2010, 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by cp1969

What was it, three shots in four seconds at basically a straight-away, 15 mph, 6" diameter target less than 100 yards away?

Not exactly easy, but not that hard, either.

I recall they re enacted it with an identical gun and a couple of the guys who tried it did do it, a couple who tried didn't. It's possible.

CAJUNLAWYER · #78 11-11-2010, 11:39 AM

I kinda like the G Gordon Liddy theory myself-I think I'll stick with that one for a while

pharmer · #79 11-11-2010, 12:30 PM

This all happened 10 years before the Nixon fiasco exposed exactly how many "spooks" (not all CIA types) were involved in "policy shenanigans." The mob and the CIA were never "one and the same" as an early post alluded to. The CIA contracted out much wet work to them through "intermediaries." Whomever was behind JFK getting "reassigned" is dead and so much time has passed, it don't matter. We'd still be where we are even if he lived. Joe

ohiobuckeye · #80 11-11-2010, 01:49 PM

Time has shown that careful selection of "facts" presented to prove whichever theory is on display, at the moment, can provide a convincing argument against just about anyone from the mob, the CIA, LBJ, the Pope, to just about anyone else that was alive in 1963.

CAJUNLAWYER · #81 11-11-2010, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by pharmer

This all happened 10 years before the Nixon fiasco exposed exactly how many "spooks" (not all CIA types) were involved in "policy shenanigans." The mob and the CIA were never "one and the same" as an early post alluded to. The CIA contracted out much wet work to them through "intermediaries." Whomever was behind JFK getting "reassigned" is dead and so much time has passed, it don't matter. We'd still be where we are even if he lived. Joe

Whoaaa there Sparky-let's not close down an entertaining thread with common sense.

sheriffoconee · #82 11-11-2010, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by bountyhunter

I have to admit, it is genuinely amazing he could fire that accurately with a Manlicher gun which was once nicknamed the Gun Who Never Hurt Anybody On Purpose. It is amazing, but possible. I might be persuaded that Oswald had an accomplice ahead of the cars who also fired a shot, which does not reduce Oswald's guilt.

It isn't the rifle that kills, it is the man shooting it. I have been to the 6th floor of the School Book Depository building......watching cars make the turn and travel in the direction of JFK's Limo....I am not the least bit surprised that anyone with rifle training could make those shots....poor rifle or not.

gizamo · #83 11-11-2010, 08:37 PM

Teddy did it....!

PALADIN85020 · #84 11-11-2010, 08:42 PM

Lee Harvey Oswald self-described himself as a "patsy." I lived through those days, and the evidence seems to me to indicate that is just what he was. Jack Ruby shot him to prevent him from talking. I don't know if it was the mob, the CIA, Castro, or Lyndon Johnson himself that set up his murder, but I'm positive that Oswald wasn't the lone wolf he was made out to be.

John

imjin138 · #85 11-11-2010, 09:10 PM

I remember watching the news reels and saw an older officer with a Colt pocket auto either 32 or 380 and a lot of stag gripped S&Ws. But I still think Oswald did it just because he could have and no one has proved otherwise.

bettis1 · #86 11-11-2010, 09:47 PM

I was in dental school and standing in a stair well high in the Baylor Medical Center complex looking toward downtown Dallas and watching the parade that day. Had tickets to hear Peter, Paul and Mary at SMU that night with my wife-to-be (they canceled the performance). Lee Harvey and Marina lived in Irving, not too far from where I live now. (The City of Irving recently bought that house-for what reason is unclear-so, technically I own a bit of that history).

I think you guys are missing the obvious. JFK had contracted with LHO to hit Jackie to open up the back door to the WH. LHO had been out of the Marines so long that he was a bit rusty with the elevation correction necessary to compensate for the downhill trajectory. In correcting for the right hand track of the limo he over corrected and nailed his employer. End of story.

Bob

m1gunner · #87 11-11-2010, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by sheriffoconee

It isn't the rifle that kills, it is the man shooting it. I have been to the 6th floor of the School Book Depository building......watching cars make the turn and travel in the direction of JFK's Limo....I am not the least bit surprised that anyone with rifle training could make those shots....poor rifle or not.

Wasn't the distance 75 yds or so? That is nothing for a rifle, piece of cake for a scoped, rested rifle.

AITG · #88 11-11-2010, 11:13 PM

If you play the Zapruder film backwards, you'll find out that, clearly, JFK ....

Shot himself!