billdeserthills
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As an FFL myself, I have heard of this type treatment by less than savory individuals. I would be so pissed off if someone I was trusting betrayed my trust...
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FFL Transfers and tampering
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As an FFL myself, I have heard of this type treatment by less than savory individuals. I would be so pissed off if someone I was trusting betrayed my trust...
OK Hog Shooter
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I would recommend finding a gun store/pawn shop where you can get to know the owners and the men/women who work the counters. Once you are known to them and they to you and you are comfortable with the staff, use them all the time. I have all of my out of state gun purchases shipped to the same small gun store and have had no problems whatsoever. They treat me like they want my business, even though I haven't purchased any new firearms from them.
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Arthury
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You guys have been helpful. I'm going to look around for smaller but reputable FFL transfer sites here and request if they can open the box only when I am there.
billdeserthills
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I just hope you'll be a man & make that "open box" request Before you get his price for transfer, cause I know it shouldn't but reading this kinda pisses me off, being that I would never treat a fellow customer's stuff even as I treat My Belongings. Far as I'm concerned my customer's Treasure is an irreplaceable artifact, I am very careful to not cause any kind of damage that I could not afford to repair which is Any At All. Last gun I rec'd with a broken stock didn't even get opened--Until After my customer was advised to accept the insurance for damage in transit! Pretty obvious when holes in a box that you can stick your arm into!
My local dealer who is also a pawn shop as well as a dealer for all major brands only opens transfers when the customer is there. This is to avoid any of the questions you are asking.
The customer sees what comes out of the box and what condition. Been this way for over twenty years.
You are not required to take transfer of the firearm if it is not what you bought or if there is a condition problem unless it was a auction which stated otherwise.
The customer sees what comes out of the box and what condition. Been this way for over twenty years.
You are not required to take transfer of the firearm if it is not what you bought or if there is a condition problem unless it was a auction which stated otherwise.
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Arthury
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Buying a new gun is becoming a pain in the butt these days for me. In terms of FFL fees, either you pay thru your nose ($50 or so) with a big name local shop or pay less ($25-30) to a smaller FFL and risk delays, day after day because they were on vacation or missed the UPS/USPS delivery, etc...
It's just so aggravating. This FFL thing is driving me up the wall.
It's just so aggravating. This FFL thing is driving me up the wall.
Nice in theory, but what happens when the customer can't come in for a week? The dealer only has a limited time window to log them in, and if ATF drops in for a compliance inspection, they're not going to accept, "oh, the customer hasn't been able to get here yet, hey it's only been two weeks."
Most of my S&W's have been purchased online and I have used three different dealers. Each one had opened the package, removed the firearm and recorded the necessary information in their log book.
There has never been a problem - I have been very satisfied.
There has never been a problem - I have been very satisfied.
Get a C&R. You shouldn't be buying anything newer, anyway.
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Arthury
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Yea, that thot has crossed my mind ... but the registrations do add up:
- Register for a company $180
- ATF license $200 for 3 years
- State registration $150
That's worse than the most expensive FFL fee in town.
I think if you would openly discuss any concerns before doing business it might would calm any fears you may have. If the guy acts like he's irritated at you because you are asking some minor questions as a new customer, maybe find someone else. I have several regular customers I do transfers for. Typically if it's something high end (they usually tell me what it is) I wait until the customer is present before opening. I have one gentleman that invests in Dakota Arms and Cooper rifles regularly. I can't afford them, so I wait until he's there to open it so there is no question. It's not worth the hassle for $20 if it goes bad. He didn't ask me to wait to open them, it was just my call. It keeps things out in the open and keeps the level of trust to a high standard as an FFL. JMO.
Rigger, was that Kimber purchased from the Civilian Marksmanship program? The CMP has been selling Kimber 82G .22 match rifles for a couple of years. i think everyone of them has a scratch liked you described and caused by a razor knife cutting the plastic bag for inspection. But the damage was caused in a governement warehouse before it every got into civilan hands.
There CANNOT be a business license required for a C&R FFL; by definition, you have to be a collector, not a business. And the fee is $30 for three years, not $200. Not knowing your state, I can't comment about that registration but I'll bet it doesn't apply to C&R collectors!
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Arthury
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I was referring to business. Currently, I do not buy 50 yr old or older weapons.
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Arthury
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Where is a good place to give one's feedback about a particular FFL ? People should know about these people so as to avoid them.
Grog
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A C&R licence can get you discounts from some of the places that sell stuff, at least get you on their mailing lists (the catalogs also can have modern guns in them so you'll get to see more deals).
billdeserthills
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Why not save $100 and get an (07) Manufacturing FFL,
Moving to Arizona will save the $180 as there is no Register company fee plus you'll save the State Registration fee too!
Whee!!
my ffl will not open boxes because of liability he says.Two times out of the many other great transactions one of his employees after opening the box tried to use boxcutters to unwrap the extra careful over packing of my new fifty five year old smith. i politely asked if i could do it by hand and averted a potential mess. so i prefer not opening first. but he has a few rules for information on outside of box that if not done he will send it back.he gives me a sheet of what he needs to fax to sender. so far hes the man......good luck..
WaywardSon
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Don't know about all of them, but I sold one on Gunbroker for a customer that had a cut from a razor knife from the fore end tip to the butt plate.
You guys should just stop buying guns and leave them all for me.....
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