Yeah, now we need to know why he keeps those walkers in the barn. Me, I'd tether them to a treadmill, hang something alive at the other end and let them "walk" a generator to keep my lights working.

PETZ, People for the Ethical Treatment of Zombies would not be happy with you at all.

I thought it was a rule not to shoot unless absoultely necessary(attract unwanted walkers), the shot across the open field with the others between the shooter, and the shooted, didn't make sence.

"It is better to be the shooter than the shooted."
That's why they use those long knifes...

Im guessing darrel will become infected by the recycled arrow he fell on, That ole doctor is getting pushy for a unarmed man!

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When they had to cover their scent in season 1, they were moving amongst them. In season 2 on the interstate, quietly hiding under cars was enough. Zombies can't think. They move on instinct alone...they want food, and they smell their scent, but their brain is not a functioning one, so they don't know/think to look under things. The smell is in the air, but until noise or movement attracts them, they just roam. Then when the one guy cut his arm, the scent was strong because he was bleeding...that's why Darrell covered him and the guy up with dead bodies...to cover the fresh scent.

Didn't I see a Zed chewing on Darrell's ankle as he woke up?

I bet Old Doc is a Cottage Liberal afterall... he doesn't like guns and he keeps a barn full of Democrat Voters just waiting for 2012...

Of course he knew that, that was the whole reason for going in, but I don't think he's golden here.
Shane's a snake, in my view. He didn't just 'help' or 'take care of' his partners wife...he jumped right into helping himself TO his partners wife. Lied to Lori about her husbands death. Although he did step back when Rick came back into the picture, he held contempt in his eyes looking at the situation. Pulled the stunt he did in the CDC bunker toward Lori. Threw his little 'Im not talking to you, waah' tantrum when he realized he couldn't have his way anymore instead of just manning up. He did beat the **** outta the wife beater, which was needed, but he did it out of his own aggression, not just bc he was laying down the law about it. Then the whole thing with Otis? He was injured, yeah, Otis was outta shape, yeah...but he didn't even let Otis have his own chance on surviving. He saw a chance of ensuring his own chance and made a choice. All of that? SNAKE. I think his will be coming to him at some point...either that, or there will be some sort of revelation/epiphany/forgiveness. They are doing a good job of putting reasons to dislike him out there for us...they have to be going somewhere with that.

I'm really liking Daryl's character, too. I'm curious as to where it's going now that he is 'seeing' Merle. Something snapped with those hallucinations...the zombie kill necklace, etc..I wonder how bad it will get? I think there will be some sort of confrontation eventually, with Rick, per Merle's suggestion, but I don't think it will be too bad. Or maybe it is building up to be the season finale? (Darrel butts up with Rick, leaves us not knowing until next season)

Yeah, Andrea made a dumb choice, but I think she was just trying to prove a point. Her character was an attorney when the apocolypse happened, so she is strong...I think with her standing her ground on top of the RV, ("I don't want to wash dishes, I want to help protect us") she was trying to show that she could take on her share of zombie killin', too. She just didn't take into consideration the sound of the shot, or how dumb it was to shoot before she could see her target clearly...especially when the guys were already on their way out to take 'the walker' down. She shot out of emotion, and that's not a good choice.

I don't think he got bit before he came to and kicked it off of him...but I don't think he will be infected from the arrow, either. They played up the Merle hallucination too much, he's got bidness' to attend to...and I think he is too important of a character to take out this early.

Jen you don't suppose that that 'bidness has anything to do with getting busy with Carol do you? They do seem to have a 'thang... Darrel sees her as a momma and she has a history of making it with badboyz...

Hmm...maybe...I've thought that, too. Protector/protected...he's kind of a alpha male and she needs someone to look after her. Then last weeks (sunday before last) 'Cherokee Rose' episode. Something's brewing!

Along those lines...what about Shane and Andrea? You think they are going to make their getaway? Maybe that will tie into whatever happens with Shane? I think although she is trying to stand on her own and get looked at as a key player instead of camp keeper, she has too soft a heart to fall into the same steps as him. Maybe she causes or uncovers whatever kind of fallout happens to him? She does know about him and Lori...

Daryl had been recycling those arrows to shoot all their food for quite some time. Whatever is causing the zombies, it doesn't appear to be precisely a blood borne pathogen, or some people are just immune. Rick and Glen were covered with zombie innards with nothing but rain coats - not exactly much of a barrier to a virus - to protect them. The blonde was right on top of her sister when sister turned, and I think got blood on her. They've also all handled dead zombie bodies, and T-Dog had one on top of him - newly killed and juicy - while having a fresh wound on his arm. And then there was Daryl and Rick's autopsy of a dead one to see what he had for lunch - no masks, no eye protection.

Bites could be infectious and kill people because of bacteria on the teeth of the zombies more so than anything being in their saliva. It hasn't been fully established whether only those who are bit become zombies, or if everyone who dies - from any cause - is at risk of returning as a zombie.

Anyway... The Army bombing Atlanta didn't make much sense. If the zombies are breathing, or require oxygen, the obvious test would be to see if chlorine gas kills or injures them. It is easy to generate in quantity and to escape it, someone can simply go to high ground (it hugs low lying areas as it spreads). If the zombies are any sort of diseased human, as opposed to something supernatural, poison gas ought do the trick nicely.

Obviously the Doc is treating those infected as simply humans with a disease that is potentially communicable. Which is as valid a model as any other to some degree, after all we don't shoot people with TB even though they might spread it to others.

Ever been there Chris? One ride on M.A.R.T.A. or a day spent stuck in their traffic and I bet you'd wanna snake and nape it yourself...

Drew

Saliva into blood stream. Like rabies. Also attacks the brain stem, spinal cord and nervous system similarly.

I just had an "a-ha" moment. The reason the doc keep 'em is he is running experiments to cure them.

Remember the conversation with Rick about how mankind has been fighting plagues since forever?

That's what I was thinking.

BTW I like your analysis-s-es-sees (always had trouble with that one..)

Chlorine gas, mustard gas, or any other variation of sulfur, chlorine/chloride, muriatic acids, etc, won't affect them. Breathing and oxygen doesn't matter. Same with say, water. Zombies can't swim; they are not capable of doing so, BUT, they can walk out into the water..they won't float, they will just keep walking on the bottom, so in theory, if you were to go out on a boat into a deep body of water, you would be golden. As long as you don't get into the water where it is shallow enough for them to reach up and grab you; although I don't know if their olfactory senses would still function under water, if they could see you, they would grab you. Bottom line to that, taking away their oxygen would not matter. You have to destroy the brain stem itself. Thalamus, Pons, midbrain, medulla oblongata, and of course the top of the spinal cord and the nerves because the actual brain stem is sending the messages to the body via abducens, glossopharyngeal, hypoglossal, vagus, (which are really all part of the medulla area)...the nerves from the stem. The cerebellum, cerebral hemispheres, diencephalon...they are all just there...the zombie's "life" is all in the brain stem.

I agree with the vet/farmer keeping them in the barn as infected 'patients'. Any true doctor or science type brain is going to see the possibility of finding a cure. Their minds are wired to heal, not kill. Maybe they are locals or friends of him and his family? Hopefully we find out this coming Sunday! It's going to drive me batty waiting on the answers! lol. (I may be just a tad too involved in this show for my own good.)

Waste of a perfectly good canned ham, I'd say...

Zombies are not a new phonomenon...

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You actually RODE on MARTA? Dang you're brave. Typical morning traffic report for Atlanta...."All parking places on the Interstates are already taken. But thank you for playing anyway." Anybody who doesn't believe zombies are real has never driven on the Downtown Connector. That place is Night/Dawn/Day of the Living Brain Dead.

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I wonder if Daryl is going to become the Governor character from the book, or if his brother will? Also, will they introduce Michonne already, or will they just roll her up into the Andrea character? That would be lame.

or will they forge their own path completely?

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+1 A snake is ALWAYS a snake.

The 3913 made repeat appearances this season .The first one is where Shane and Andrea are in the Winnebago and Shane is starting to teach Andrea how to clean it.Then there's the episose where Dale "confiscates" Andrea's gun,at the farm where Shane is teaching her how to disassemble it. I think S&W is well represented in the series.

It still beats about 99% of the "reality" **** out there.

Has anyone else noted the resemblance between the 'Walking Dead' zombies and the 'Occupy XYZ' misfits? Seriously, they both walk around aimlessly, drool, mutter incoherently, are dead in the head, and consume the 'flesh' of the living. Watching the late news after 'The Walking Dead', one really has to wonder... has the zombie infestation started??

Stainz

Stainz,

One can only hope... I'm topping off all my mags now just in case...

Drew

Personally, I'm not happy at all about how the finance industry got away with "murder". At all.

Anecdotal story that millions have gone through:
My dad (83 at the time) bought a second house down the street and rented it out. He was doing very well. He got sucked into some penny-stock broker in Vancouver (where they are untouchable by the SEC and FBI).

At the begining the ponzi scheme was giving him income. He refinanced his houses to fuel the investment. The loan officer used his investment income as earned income (a no-no). On top of that, he signed my dad into a negative equity loan!! My dad had three choices each month 1-pay less than the interest owed, which ADDED to the principle, 2-pay only the interest, or 3-pay the principle and interest (normal payment).

English is a second language for him, he is in his 80's and this loan officer saw him coming from a mile away. Dad TOLD him he could only afford the payment of option 1 (the negative equity). The loan officer did nothing to explain to him what option 1 meant, and approved the loan even though he knew my dad could not afford the loan. On top of that, the loan was made for far higher than real market value. The loan got rubber-stamped and a few years later, my dad has lost his life savings to the theives in Vancouver and lost his house because of a fraudulent loan.

I wish the occupiers good luck, because some one has to stand up against the out of control financial sector.

I apologize for the blatant thread hijack, I just couldn't 'not' say anything, and I mean no disrespect to the poster who commented about zombies and occupiers.

Just stumbled on this thread and whipped through a bit till I got to spoilers (missed last weeks episode but will see the re-run Friday) and wanted to chime in with my centavos. Wifee and I are fans of all cinema-zombie and vampire, werewolf or mutant creatures like mansquito, sharctopus and the like but I'm gettin' ready to pull the plug on this ERmeetsSurvivormeetsDesperateHousewives drama fest. I mean really, it's gotten to where the existence of zombies (Note that the word is never used - and that bugs me) has become an inconvenience in these peoples lives rather than THE single greatest consideration going. Further, I have no real inkling that any one of them has been thinking about the future beyond (Gimme a frikkin' break!) who's baby is it, really? Where are the realistic and quite necessary discussions - let alone actions - reflecting a need to address long term security. Then, how 'bout comms? non of these yahoos have heard of a short wave? This crowd of drama-lamas is starting to wear me out. God, don't even get me started on the lost girl and her worthless mother! Oh, and where's the pay-off on what the doctor whispered to the cop in the CDC? What a disappointment this is turning into.

Todd,
Not only that, but the episodes are 42 min... Heck, even Mad Men 47!

I'm sticking with it, but I hope the 'baby' issue plays out fast and never comes back.

That's funny as it's one of my real pet peaves - understanding revenue generation not withstanding - that once you deduct credits, "previously on...", commercials and "stay tuned for..." time, I think 42 minutes might be generous. Now, deduct the assinine amplified drama of the lost kid's mother, the cops freakazoid wife, the chest shot kid, the failed suicidal blonde and it's no wonder they (the writers) don't get any of the meat of the story (pun intended) in. So all told any given episode probably involves 18-20 minutes of living in a zombie infested world. It reminds me of my favorite revue of that cinematic **** Pearl Harbor... "The Imperial Japanese Navy launches a sneak attack and then wages war on an American love triangle." Very much like the Nazi war machine laying siege to a a love triangle of the people's Perfect Proletariate Paradise in Enemy At The Gates.

Just watched the last episode before the break. I thought it was the best of the season.

Every now and then I think the show will take the easy way out, then its a straight shot to the gut.

No spoilers, but I'm starting to come around to Shane's way of thinking. Its a whole new set of rules for their world.

I can't wait for February.

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Shane is off his rocker. He will eventually have to be dealt with. The old man should have gut-shot him. Left alone, Rick would have worked things out. I am very sympathetic with Herschel. It is his land and his barn. I would have made them leave as soon as the boy was able to travel. Shane is the kind that will thrive on anarchy. He needs to be put down, but the problem is that there isn't anyone in the group ruthless enough to do it, unless it is the redneck.

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Shane was actually vindicated about, well, most things, in the mid season finale. He was the one who was smart enough to put a watch on the barn. After his experience with Andrea - who found empowerment via shooting the zombies - his rather direct object lesson in dealing with the occupants of the barn seems to have been necessary. Most of the group in fact supported Shane. Shane also gave a quick lesson in backyard science to deal with the idea of the zombies having an illness.
As Glenn stated, it also seemed a good idea not to have dangerous creatures nearby where they sleep.

Anyway, the change in writers likely explains why the CDC whisper was blown off and also why Rick ceased his habit of using the old walkie talkie as an outlet for his thoughts.

If it wasn't for DVR I'd probably quit the show. Fast forwarding through this season's loooong boring slow scenes is a nice option. The last minute or so of the mid-season episode was shocking. Shockingly good!

Even though Shane is supposed to be the tough guy even he couldn't pull the trigger on the little girl walker. Rick was the one that had to step up and finish her off. He showed them that he was the one that desesrved to be in charge. It will be interesting to see how Herschel reacts to that moment and if it means another exodus for the group. That was the most serious moment of the season thus far and reignited my interest after a few somewhat boring episodes.

I dunno. The first season was appointment television for me, but the second season has been a huge letdown. I kept turning episodes off and walking away, or falling asleep in the middle, or sometimes not even turning them on. Rick has turned into a mope, Shane is a sociopath, Dale is a wimp, the women are there solely to triumph nobly over the adversity of the moment, and the whole thing is just old, old, old. If any one of these characters got transferred to some other show, I wouldn't follow them.

Maybe Merle will come back and strangle them individually with his remaining hand. I might tune in for that.

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The graphic novel has been chugging along since 2003 and is still going, so if the writers follow those plotlines they're just barely getting started. AMC has already picked it up for Season 3.

The writers have said they knew "Barnageddon" was coming so they throttled back for the episodes leading up to it. I suspect things will liven up once they leave the farm after the break.

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So wait a second....

Herschel wants Rick and Shane's group to pack up and leave. It's all he talks about. He hardly says much else except that it's his land and his "people" and he want's the traveling group gone yesterday.

Rick and Shane's group won't leave because they're intent on finding the little girl, Sophia. They spend days on end organizing search patterns and tirelessly trying to find her.

It turns out that Herschel had Sophia locked up in the barn with the rest of the walkers all along.

The Catch-22 of Rick and Shane's group not leaving even though Herschel wanted them gone appears to have hinged on Sophia being in the barn.

Why didn't Herschel tell Rich and Shane about Sophia once they all knew about the walkers in the barn?

Yep, I'll be back in February to see what's going to happen with that!

I think it's neat that we don't even know what caused the zombification of the walkers.

I think it was the school system?

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That exact question came up in a "sneak peek" of the next episode, aired on the "Talking Dead" show that comes on afterwards.

Hershel says it was Otis' job to round up the walkers and put them in the barn. The Sophia issue was only brought up to him after Shane did the dirty deed to Otis. Before that all the concern was for the gut-shot boy, so Hershel's story is that he didn't know she was in there.

Makes sense, since he could have either gotten them to leave by telling them she was in the barn, or used Sophia to swing them around to his "can't we all get along?" position.

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Well! I am astonished that you all are having so much fun with it. Zombies? Ya gotta be kiddin' me!

Downloading Season 1....

Onomea, I too heard so much about the show that I had to start watching Season One "on demand" just before Season Two started. I'm hooked!

Sunday nights I've got Dexter and Walking Dead and then Homeland. I hate tv and only watch a couple shows, but these three have me hooked bad.

I did the same thing, but instead recorded then watched season one before season two started. It is entertaining, at least to me.

The other shows I enjoying now are the new show that airs after Walking Dead, "Hell on Wheels", then "American Horror Story" and "Sons of Anarchy". You can also add "Justified" to that list once it returns in January and "Mad Men", if it ever comes back.

Back to the O/P, I personally think the ultimate irony would be Shane's demise at the hands of Otis returning as a Walker.

Wow, this thread has reall kept up with the current zombiness of TWD! I am ashamed to say that I never saw the "Sophie in the barn" thing coming. One thing struck me about the barn zombie massacre. I don't think that the others (except for Andria) would have shot 'em up if they were not set free. Once they started meandering out of the barn they all HAD to shoot them down.

So, in my best soap opera narrator voice:

Will we see the radio guy and his boy show up again?

Will the farmers daughter join the motley crew of nomads?

Will she end up preggers too?

Where will they be when Laurie has her baby?

Will Shane lose it completely and kill the old guy in the camper?

What the heck did that CDC guy whisper to Rick?



If I were a writer for the show, I would make it necessary for the folks on the farm to join up with the group and tag along to Fort Benning. A couple of the farm folks could be sacrificed to the Zs, as long as the farmer and his daughter join the gang.

What would make this happen? Well, I'll tell ya! Hundreds of thousands of Zs stagger onto the farm, much in the same way the ants did in "Leiningan VS the ants"

Leiningen versus the Ants--Carl Stephenson (1893-1954)

This is a great short story that will keep you riveted, BTW.

Basically, it is the shear numbers that is overwhelming. The series TWD needs to use this element.

That's all for now! I can't wait for the new episodes. Speaking of that, have y'all watched the "webisodes" on the Walking Dead site? There are a lot of scenes that explain how the infestation started, and what some of the characters were doing when it all began. You get to see who that crawling torso was before getting zombified. A whole bunch of stuff not seen on the show itself. Well worth watching!

I was thinking the exact same thing!

That brings up another question though. When a gang of zombies takes someone down, do they eat them completely, or just munch a little, so that they increase their numbers?


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They leave a lot of open doors so they can stretch the series. It is popular, from a marketing standpoint, so AMC will run with it.
I generally don't watch the Zombie/vampire type **** but this is done very well.

I saw that sneak peek too. The problem is, even if Otis did put Sophia in the barn and Hershel didn't know about it at the time, it still doesn't make any sense. There is simply NO way any even remotely smart person tries to keep even "infected people" as Hershel believes them to be in a "quarantine" without at least doing a DAILY HEAD COUNT to make sure they are all still there! It is inexcusable considering he knows they are dangerous as his actions show he realizes they can and will kill people. It's also an old barn and might have worn boards. There is no way one of his people shouldn't be doing a head count at a minimum. PLUS, we saw the one lady feeding them chickens. HOW DO THEY NOT NOTICE A LITTLE GIRL in the barn and not say to themselves: "Hmm, gee I wonder if that little girl walker that exactly fits the description of the little girl the outsiders are looking for including the shirt she's wearing is actually the one they are looking for?" Then that person should have told Hershel and boom! He should have known.

Besides, after I put in 20 years military as an Officer, at the end of the day, my mentality is that you're the one responsible for your command and whatever happens. It's Hershel's responsibility to know Sophia was there. It's on him. Just like it was on Rick to finish her off. That's Command responsibility.

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I found it on netflix and so far its pretty good,the only thing I didnt really understand is why they have not hit a gun shop or walmart for ammo and guns,Im from just north of Atlanta and I can assure you there are plenty of gun shops.It just seemed a little silly to carry around a bag of guns and for the one White Trash guy to carry a crossbow.That was my only complaint other than that I have found it enjoyable to watch.

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