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Are leverguns Dead?
us old timers might be the last to carry the lever actions. Seems like the follow up generations are more interested in adapting military type rifles.... Into civilian uses.
Funny, some of us have adapted ... To the plastic guns. I have grown to appreciate a flattop AR, even some modern tupperware.
Who knows, in twenty years the M-16 clones might be the next 30-30.
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You may be right, but I do know that a Model 94 works better than an AR to execute a buttstroke.
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I do know that on Christmas Eve I bought my first ever lever action, a Marlin 1894 Cowboy Limited with the 24" barrel in 357 magnum.
In all my years I have never even shot a lever gun until now. Quite a neat rifle, so smoooth....
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Yeah, I'm really starting to appreciate the modern military rifles, like the '03-A3's. Wood and steel rule!
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I like lever guns and I'm 36. My one and only is a classic, a Marlin 39A that my dad bought new in '69 with discharge money after he finished up his stint in the Reserves (Navy, active duty 62-64, then 5 years with the Reserves). I oogle and ahh over classic lever guns on the web. Will add a few to the collection once I get out of the city and get a piece of land where I can shoot at my leisure and get into reloading.
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If my kids don't learn to like lever guns before I'm gone, they sure will be after. Win 94's, Sav 99's & Browning BL-22's. Love them all!
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If I am deer or hog hunting at expected ranges of under 250 yards, my favorite is the Marlin 1985G guide gun in 45-70. Mine is an older one with the ported barrel. The carbine length is very handy in a deer stand.
Handloading the 350 gr Hornady flat point, I got a 5 point, an 8 point and a bobcat last year. My son got one first and that is how I was introduced to them.
Prior to this, my only lever gun was the Browning 22, which is still in the family.
The Marlins are really good firearms, but I have been eyeing the Henry's. Maybe something in 45 Colt.
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The AR is a weapon, while a classic lever gun is a rifle. One of them has a soul, the other is just a machine.
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A friend and I bought a Winchester 9422 as a first rifle for his son's 9th birthday. The boy loves it. As long as we introduce our young shooters to lever action rifles, then lever action rifles will never die.
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In my observations, most of the nuggets like plastic flash mall ninjary because they don't know any better.
That said, once exposed to our world, they'll sooner or later come around and try different things, like an 1895 in 45-70 and realize the horsepower they're holding, the smooth action and the potential therein.
Same with revolver vs semi auto.
My friend is buying his first revolver, a 686-3, tomorrow. He wants me to go with him to inspect it for things like timing, barrel alignment, forcing cone wear, etc.
He's a semi auto guy, but I have been grinding him down slowly when we go to the range by tearing the center out of targets with a 44 Spl, 45 colt, 44 mag, etc.
I have a feeling this revolver won't be his last.
Should have seen his face when he shot my GBL with 420g NOE's @ 1800fps. Priceless!
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Older guns and "outdated" types of weaponry are continually being discovered by new generations. As long as the newer stuff is made more and more of plastic and aluminum, there will be those who will see a Wester movie, wonder about them old-timey guns, and eventually wind up with one in their mitts. That subtle smooth bluing, awesome wood-to-metal fit, and natural ergonomics can open younger eyes very quickly, and the first time they rack the lever and watch a cartridge slide gracefully into the chamber, they're hooked.
Like anything else, it tends to be a cyclical thing.......but I think since there are new makers of leverguns, and more competition than we've seen in many years, it can only be a good thing for the consumer, and the curious prospective gunbuyer.
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I love my 30 yr. old Marlin 336's!! I have one chambered for 30-30 and one in 35 Rem. There is nothing like beautiful wood and steel!!
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Next to the 12 gauge there is nothing better or more reliable in Bear country than a solid 45 70 lever gun.
Heck, they're more "tactical" than most modern rifles if done right, or just plain tacticool when Tapco'd out!
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Snappingtwig, I think you and papajohn are correct. I am 35 and started with tactical stuff (handguns during the AWB and rifles after it finally expired). I gradually got interested in the classics going through bolt guns and 1911-style handguns to revolvers. They just have a certain "something" lacked by plastic.
As far as leverguns, I was in a LGS on Wednesday admiring a pre-64 Winchester 94 and a Marlin Guide Gun. There is just something about the classics...
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If you cropped the alum. diamond
plate from this pic. it could have been taken 50 years ago!!
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I've used my Mod. 94 Win. to take my first buck in 1953. I then went to a Mod. 95 in 35 Win for my Elk rifle. In 1981 I traded for a Mod.88 Win. .308. Since then I usually taken my winters meat with the 30-30 or the 308. Been a long time while using lever guns but they have never failed. Now my Elk rifle is a Marlin Guide gun in 45-70. Does the job real well.
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Wow, lot of 45-70 guys here. Me included, both Marlins. One is a Guide gun and the other a standard 1895.
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My only lever gun, and my absolute favorite rifle to shoot! Marlin 1895ss, 1995 vintage, turned into a "brush rifle" (barrel cut dow to 16.5 inches, XS sights installed). A great shooter and Deadly accutate with BuffaloBore hard cast "Heavy 444" ammo.
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Some of my best memories are time spent at the range and afield with lever-action rifles. Most of them were 9422's and 39-A's. One was a 94 Winchester that had been in a house fire. My brother bought the rifle for $20 and then put a used $20 Bishop buttstock on it. No handguard. W/ factory ammo it'd back the primers out a bit. But it was fun to shoot and did fine for deer hunting. Long ago I had a 1894 Marlin in .44 Magnum. I am currently on the lookout for another one.
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Not dead yet. Not in Georgia, anyhow.
L to R, Winchester 94AE .45 Colt, Winchester 9422M .22 Mag, Marlin Golden 39A, Marlin 39A Mountie w/matte Nickel, Savage 99A in .250-3000.
As you can probably tell, I love Trappers, Carbines, and short rifles. I have added a couple since the picture, a Marlin 1894S and a Rossi 92 clone, both in .357 magnum.
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I would think Henry has helped bring some young shooters to the table.
It seems like they market to that segment?
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The only Henry's that we could keep on the shelves were the BSA engraved 22..And they would go as young guys became Eagle Scouts..We sold every other one we could get our hands on......What ever model or cal. Any Winchester or Marlin that we took in trade sold immediatly (with-in a couple of days)
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Lever guns will never die.
My son with his first deer:
He's a lefty, and loves lever guns.
I think the comment about Henry bringing new shooters under the spell of the lever action is dead on. My youngest son has a Henry .22 that he loves.
I got this Marlin a little while ago, and can't see ever getting rid of it:
This is my only other one, but it needs some work:
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I hope they are not dead. There is nothing better that wood and steel. I just got my first Winchester Model 94 pre-64 about 2 months ago. I love it. It is a flat bander from 1948 in .32 WS.
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Are Lever Guns Dead?
Not in my book,,, I still carry and hunt with a 32 Winchester Saddle Ring that is about 1926 vintage. I love it and it puts the shots where I want them.
I bought my son a Winchester when he got interested in hunting.
Lever guns are not dead!
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I hunt with a Marlin 1895XLR in .45/70 Govt., it is the best "hog thumper" I own. Also have a Henry rifle in .22 Mag. that is a ton of fun to plink with and will kill a hog also with proper bullet placement. Leverguns are truly American heritage firearms that are as popular today as in years past.
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Been looking at one of these Mare's Leg lever action pistols. Looks to be a hoot.
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They're not dead or going out of style in my house.
The top one is my Marlin 1897 CB, .22lr with 24" octagonal barrel. The bottom one is my Marlin 1894 CB, .45 Colt also with a 24" octagonal barrel. Just this week I managed to procure a Marlin Mountie dating to about 1958.
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My last whitetail fell last year to my Wild West Arms custom Guide Gun in .45-70. Next week I hope to take another one with it. Outstanding gun!
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There will be lever guns as long as there are people that want a good dependable gun that doesn't require much maintance. Larry
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Here's what I got for Christmas:
It's a Winchester model 1892 (made in 1892) that shoots .32-20 ammo. I like it even more than many of my S&W's.
My first gun was a Winchester model 250. I bought it at age 16 using the money I saved from a job I had.
There will always be a warm spot in my heart for a lever gun.
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Dead? Not as long as I have grandkids!! And that's just 2 of 5.
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My Marlin 336's .Top one is the 35 Rem. Bottom one is 30-30
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Lots of nice Levers shown here !
Mines shown on gunlovingirl's thread.
As long as theres people like us still buy'em as well as bringing up the young'ens to lov'em, they'll always be around.
I have noticed, am I the only one that shoots rifles and shotguns left handed while being a right hand
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In the shooting sports, as soon as something is pronounced "dead" it is somehow "resurrected"-look how CAS revived various "obsolete" calibers
and long out of production designs.
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In the woods of N. Michigan there is very little use for a 200yd rifle. The deer rifles of choice are a Winchester Md. 64 and 94, both in 30-30, and a 94 in 38-55. I am thinking of taking the 38-55 on my next bear hunt (whenever that might be). There is still a time and place for old tech....
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Being 29, I'd say I am one of the younger users on here, I have never really thought of having a lever action until the last year. I guess I am watching westerns at a higher rate, Tom horn and Lonesome Dove this week alone, and they are now piquing my interest.
I would like something which shoots 357 since I shoot it already. A SAA clone in the same wouldn't be too bad either.
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I got a Henry Bog Boy .357 magnum for Christmas and I'm loving it.
The muzzle energy with a good hot .357 round is around 1200 ft/lbs. At 150 yards it still has 600 ft/lbs. It drops 10 inches at 175 yards and is dead on at 100yds. The recoil with .357s is mild and with 38 special it just goes poof! The Henry has a smooth action and a great trigger. It loads fast and easy through the tube. 10 rounds of .357 or 11 rounds of 38 special.
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I think they are not only alive, they are thriving. I own 4, a 336BL (30-30), an 1895M(450) and two 45-70's, a GBL and a G.
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I got a Henry Bog Boy .357 magnum for Christmas and I'm loving it.
The muzzle energy with a good hot .357 round is around 1200 ft/lbs. At 150 yards it still has 600 ft/lbs. It drops 10 inches at 175 yards and is dead on at 100yds. The recoil with .357s is mild and with 38 special it just goes poof! The Henry has a smooth action and a great trigger. It loads fast and easy through the tube. 10 rounds of .357 or 11 rounds of 38 special.
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I normally use a Remington 700 in 30/06 or 35 Whelen during the Wisconsin deer season. But I happened to have picked up a Made in 1950 Model 94 in .32 Special a while back.
I took it out in the thick woods this year and it handled like a dream. Took a nice forkhorn buck at 25 yards. Rifle handles like a wand!
I will be in my family a long long time.
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us old timers might be the last to carry the lever actions. Seems like the follow up generations are more interested in adapting military type rifles.... Into civilian uses.
Funny, some of us have adapted ... To the plastic guns. I have grown to appreciate a flattop AR, even some modern tupperware.
Who knows, in twenty years the M-16 clones might be the next 30-30.
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Well -- lets see Marlin is now being made in Ilion in the Remington plant. The product there is very poor and most of the product lines are gone.
Winchester is not making lever guns except in 'special runs'-- and they now have rebounding hammers and tang safetys that make then less than fully trustworthy (think lock on SW).
That leaves Henry, Uberti, Rossi and Mossberg.
Yes, the levergun is DEAD!
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'Twas the SKS that killed the classic .30-30 lever action deer rifle, not the AR.
It was mostly a matter of price. For quite some years you could get an SKS for at or below 100 dollars. The ammo was cheaper than .30-30 too but worked just as well on deer at the same ranges as the .30-30.
For blue collar hunters, that was good enough, and many less affluent folks took to the SKS platform as a simple tool to put meat on the table. (A role my old Krag sporter probably once served back when it could be had cheaper than a commercial product.)
The folding bayonet was/is handy for some guys, since they just poke the rifle in the ground using it to keep it handy.
Shrug. Still wood and steel, at least as issued.
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Well -- lets see Marlin is now being made in Ilion in the Remington plant. The product there is very poor and most of the product lines are gone.
Winchester is not making lever guns except in 'special runs'-- and they now have rebounding hammers and tang safetys that make then less than fully trustworthy (think lock on SW).
That leaves Henry, Uberti, Rossi and Mossberg.
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Don't forget the great BLR from Browning. It is a solid, consistent performer and sells well.
I think that your eulogy for the classic Lever Gun is more than a little premature.
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Yup, These are all gone..................
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Another reason to love the lever action derives from its solid position in American history. It is a truly American invention made for Americans. Developed during the last half of the 19th century when America pushed west through the entire North American continent, it was the perfect answer to the question of what to carry for folks on the move who needed to hunt and protect themselves, in other words, folks exercising their American freedoms.
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Mossberg just released their 464SPX. A tacticool lever gun. Collapsible AR type stock, multiple rails, all the zombie hunter goodies. It might get folks who've never considered a lever to try one, but it made a purist like me throw up in my mouth a bit.
Google the pics yourself, I won't be responsible for this one burning your eyes.
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01-16-2012, 04:17 PM
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I do not consider myself a Lever Rifle Freek. However I think they will be around even after you can buy a Phase Plasma rifle in the 40 Watt range...
Just this deer season I carried my 44 Mag Winchester Trapper as my "Utility" rifle durring December and I shot 2 deer with my 1895 Winchester in 405WCF...
Lever Rifles are an American Icon. Every American should have at least one...
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22lr, 357 magnum, 44 magnum, 686, 9422, bayonet, browning, carbine, cartridge, colt, commercial, handguard, krag, lock, remington, rossi, savage, scope, sks, surefire, tactical, tacticool, takedown, uberti, winchester |
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