Another Gun Show "Negligent Discharge"

Plottman Pops · #1 01-30-2012, 06:44 AM

Knoxville,TN Show Sunday. A vendor was showing his personal carry 45acp and had a round in the tube... shot himself in hand. I didn't go back Sunday and glad I didn't now a friend called last night to inform me... it's all over local news this morning

I shouldn't have have put accidental discharge in op title. It should have been unintentional or negligent discharge (thats the way I feel) but in my defense it was very early and thats the way it was announced on tv...sorry!!!!

Arik · #2 01-30-2012, 08:50 AM

I was at a show yesterday, no NDs but it was so crowded all you heard were people accidentally knocking stuff off of tables! Lots if brand new, only been dropped once, rifles.

Moonman · #3 01-30-2012, 08:53 AM

He should have some action taken against him. He put the show attendees AT RISK. I thought CONCEALED meant CONCEALED.

Our local shows have NO CONCEALED, ALL FIREARMS HAVE THE MAGAZINE REMOVED AND A WIRE TIE THROUGH THE FRAME AND PORT.
Revolvers have a WIRE TIE THROUGH THE CYLINDER.

JJEH · #4 01-30-2012, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Moonman

He should have some action taken against him. He put the show attendees AT RISK.

I agree 100%.

Hopefully nobody else got hurt...

TACC1 · #5 01-30-2012, 09:23 AM

Were those rifles French war surplus?
TACC1

jimmyj · #6 01-30-2012, 10:35 AM

The vendor was showing a possible buyer that the .45 really worked.
P.S. the .45 round did not knock the vendor down and across the asle.
HOWEVER: the possible buyer needed a diaper change.

mg357 · #7 01-30-2012, 10:42 AM

There are some people in this world who have no common sense when it comes to handling firearms and that is very sad imho.

glenncal1 · #8 01-30-2012, 11:24 AM

Negligent, not accidental, discharge. You handle a weapon, first thing you do is verify it is unloaded, even if the guy that handed it to you just checked it.

Jim Fuller · #9 01-30-2012, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Moonman

He should have some action taken against him. He put the show attendees AT RISK. I thought CONCEALED meant CONCEALED.

Our local shows have NO CONCEALED, ALL FIREARMS HAVE THE MAGAZINE REMOVED AND A WIRE TIE THROUGH THE FRAME AND PORT.
Revolvers have a WIRE TIE THROUGH THE CYLINDER.

Yep, THat's what we do in AZ too. But you have to remember, there are always people who know better than the rest of us and feel that the rules do not apply to them.
That goes for gun shows, politics and life in general.

Evil One · #10 01-30-2012, 11:51 AM

I always unload and have the people at the door ziptie my sidearm when at a show.
I also have cutters with me and a couple of magazines.
I will abide by their rules, but I refuse to be completely unarmed.

Jim

Arik · #11 01-30-2012, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by TACC1

Were those rifles French war surplus?
TACC1

LOL Neh! Theses were ARs, Hi Points, AKs, lever guns and a Flare rifle. I heard at least 6 thuds followed by "Oh ****"!

CQB27 · #12 01-30-2012, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Evil One

I always unload and have the people at the door ziptie my sidearm when at a show.
I also have cutters with me and a couple of magazines.
I will abide by their rules, but I refuse to be completely unarmed.

Jim

This falls under "Always Have A Plan". Well done, Sir.

Jim Fuller · #13 01-30-2012, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by CQB27

This falls under "Always Have A Plan". Well done, Sir.

That is why words have meanings: Concealed means CONCEALED

1 old 0311 · #14 01-30-2012, 01:59 PM

I wonder, could it REALLY be him? 6-8 months ago at a Indy 1500 gunshow a dealer shot himself in the hand with his own .45. I wonder...........

hannstv · #15 01-30-2012, 02:21 PM

Why does he have his hand near the muzzle, doing a press check? There is a funny clip om youtube where a guy shoots himself in the thigh with a 45. Getting a lot of hits.

NKJ nut · #16 01-30-2012, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by jimmyj

The vendor was showing a possible buyer that the .45 really worked.
P.S. the .45 round did not knock the vendor down and across the asle.
HOWEVER: the possible buyer needed a diaper change.

point it at hand; honk on Mr. Trigger, it go BOOM. yep, gun works, with brain in neutral.

mudbone · #17 01-30-2012, 02:38 PM

I was there but missed the excitement. I was going out the door with my new Marlin 336M.
Regards

sophie · #18 01-30-2012, 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moonman

He should have some action taken against him. He put the show attendees AT RISK. I thought CONCEALED meant CONCEALED.

Our local shows have NO CONCEALED, ALL FIREARMS HAVE THE MAGAZINE REMOVED AND A WIRE TIE THROUGH THE FRAME AND PORT.
Revolvers have a WIRE TIE THROUGH THE CYLINDER.

Amen to this. This is the way it is at all our gun shows here at home.

James

rburg · #19 01-30-2012, 03:12 PM

Hang around here for a while and you'll get the argument that gun show promoters should allow concealed carry or open carry. Then they'll tell you its their 2nd Amendment right to do so. And go on a tirade about everyone who doesn't agree with them also doesn't agree with the Constitution. But those are also the guys who want to show their guns (they're proud of them) and want to try several holsters on for size.

Anyone who wants to be that casual about safety in a crowded room probably needs a court to remove their Constitutional rights. I certainly don't want to be in a room with them.

Its true the vast majority of gun show discharges come from dealers weapons. But that's just to be expected since most dealers bring along dozens. Few of the customers carry in more than one or two, and those are usually checked at the door and tied up by a semi competent person. My personal feeling is the mall cops some promoters hire make that the most dangerous place in the hall. But it is good training for them.

I know a lot of vendors, and more than just a few carry a loaded weapon along with them. But you'll never see it. That's the way it should be.

Sometime just for fun, go to the local gun show and invest an extra hour. Please, just do it for me if you will. Watch the gun handling skill of the customers and vendors. See how many point guns at others or don't check to see if the gun they've been handed is loaded or not. At the end of just one hour of watching, you'll be either scared, disgusted, or both.

The normal punishment for an ND around here is lifetime banishment. The promoter or his goons watch the person load up and personally usher him out the door with his wares. If he's not arrested, he'll never buy another table. Its more than just embarrassing, its a threat to our lives, or fun, and to gun shows in general. They're our worst enemy.

NKJ nut · #20 01-30-2012, 03:25 PM

Well said, Mr. Burg.

It's their 2nd Amendment right to carry, but too many of them can't resist showing off their carry gun at a gun show. And there are many many well documented instances of this type of show and tell leading to tragedy.

My carry gun is not for show and tell anywhere. it is not merchandise, it is not a nice gun, it is not fluffy the pet gun. It is a deadly weapon and is only to be drawn for one reason. If I "show" it to someone, it's bad luck on their part because; They made a very bad choice when choosing a victim.

Of course the only place anyone ever sees it is inside my store because I open carry there. I have had people ask to see it. The answer is NO. I don't care if you are my best friend.

feralmerril · #21 01-30-2012, 03:44 PM

NO! Means NO! Unless you are in the big house!

woodsltc · #22 01-30-2012, 05:05 PM

The Knoxville paper reports the pistol involved was a Kimber .45cal semi-auto...............I suspect a cover-up of some kind.

Everyone knows only Glocks have AD's.

NKJ nut · #23 01-30-2012, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by woodsltc

The Knoxville paper reports the pistol involved was a Kimber .45cal semi-auto...............I suspect a cover-up of some kind.

Everyone knows only Glocks have AD's.

One thing is for certain; the hand (or what's left of the hand) will require a "cover-up" for quite a while.

This probably happened when he was lowering the hammer. I have noticed a tendency of many people who handle "merchandise" 1911's to point the gun at their hand when lowering the hammer. Usually the gun isn't loaded, sometimes the hammer is lowered gently; other times there is a hand shot.

427mach1 · #24 01-30-2012, 05:40 PM

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Evil One
I always unload and have the people at the door ziptie my sidearm when at a show.
I also have cutters with me and a couple of magazines.
I will abide by their rules, but I refuse to be completely unarmed.

Jim

This falls under "Always Have A Plan". Well done, Sir.
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Every show I've been to in GA specifies all guns must be tie-wrapped and no loaded magazines are allowed. They typically have LEO at the front door asking if you have weapons, upon which he will attach the tie wrap. He then asks if you have any loaded magazines.

ldausmc1369 · #25 01-30-2012, 06:43 PM

I have an abiding fear of the idiots discarding muzzle discipline/safe gun handling at gun shows! I have told folks, and not too kindly, to not sweep me with the gun. "But it's not loaded" WRONG - All guns are loaded all the time! It only takes one moment of inattention to ruin your life and possibly someone else's.
I always check the action of a firearm to INSURE it's unloaded prior to any inspection, even if it was inspected prior to handing it to me. I've had several gun show vendors thank me for asking to fondle their wares and for exercising good firearm handling/muzzle control.

Marksman · #26 01-30-2012, 07:06 PM

We had a similar situation at our local show, the dealer was escorted from the building and banned from attending future shows. His wares were packed by the show promoter's staff and delivered to him at the door. The "Dealers" were very hard headed regarding the no loaded weapons rule, despite written prohibitions in their table reservation forms and frequent announcements by the promoter some dealer's felt they were exempt from the rule. Those caught by security were banned from future show attendance. No loaded weapons means zero, none. Only exception LEO's period.

TheHobbyist · #27 01-30-2012, 07:12 PM

This is really unfortunate to hear for a number of reasons; most already mentioned.

I have been at two gun shows now with negligent discharges...I think the local police charged both people in the separate incidents.

It's hard to believe, isn't it?

Regarding rburg's comment at going to a gun shop and watching people handle firearms, unfortunately he is right.

686_was_my_first · #28 01-30-2012, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by TACC1

Were those rifles French war surplus?
TACC1

I thought the French war surplus rifles were dropped twice.

redlevel · #29 01-31-2012, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Evil One

I always unload and have the people at the door ziptie my sidearm when at a show.
I also have cutters with me and a couple of magazines.
I will abide by their rules, but I refuse to be completely unarmed.

Jim

Quote:

Originally Posted by CQB27

This falls under "Always Have A Plan". Well done, Sir.

I had a table at a show in Columbus this weekend. Sign on the door specified "no loaded weapons, no loaded magazines, no magazines in semi-autos, and no loose ammo." I don't carry a semi, so I don't feel like I am violating the rules with an empty, zip-tied Model 60 in one pocket, a speed-loader with five BB 158 grain hp in the other, and a small cutter in a hip pocket.

I was leaving a show in Savannah two years ago, and asked the officer at the table to clip the tie from my Model 60. He asked if I had any ammo for it. I looked at the sign and equivocated, "Yes sir, in the car." He grinned, winked at me, and said, "It ain't much good on the street out there with no ammo, is it." One is subject to a mugging most anywhere in that particular area of Savannah.