I see comments, on other boards, where they call the store taking the gun to the entrance as "the walk of shame". I thought that was a pretty stupid statement, until four years ago when I bought a gun at Walmart.

Manager carried the boxed gun to the door. And it felt, for all the world, like I was being "escorted" out. Like I had been shoplifting, or fondled a clerk, or flashed a customer, or something like that. Not really bad enough to get the police involved, but bad enough they did not want me in the store, so the manager was "escorting me out".

I completely get "the walk of shame", now. I don't think I'll be buying another gun there.

As a comparison, in 1983 I bought a 10/22 at Kmart. Sporting Goods is at the very back of the store. I gave them money, they handed me the box, I tucked it under my arm and walked out. Just like it was a fishing rod, or a bowling ball, or any other normal item.

I miss the old days.

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FOID rhymes with 'roid, 'cause it's the government being a pain in your butt.

It's gonna suck when our military hears about that law.

That is not true. Under federal law, you only have to be 18 to buy a handgun from a private individual. The only age-related restriction is that FFL holders can't SELL a handgun to someone under 21. That is a restriction on the FFL, not on the buyer.

With respect to handguns, the Youth Handgun Safety Act (93) put the general restriction on the possession of a handgun to any person under the age of 18. Also restricted anyone from providing a handgun to person(s) under the age of 18.

This applys to all persons,,not just FFL's selling firearms.
The law went further to clarify certain circumstances when it was permisable for a person under 18 y/o (juvenile) to possess a handgun and what steps must be followed to do so.
It's all here:
http://www.atf.gov/publications/down...f-i-5300-2.pdf
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FFl's have a separate regulation to work under in that they are not permitted to sell (as an FFL) a handgun to any person less than 21 y/o. (18y/o for a long gun),,
The higher minimum age (Federal or imposed State) takes precedent)
From BATFE site:
Q: Does a customer have to be a certain age to buy firearms or ammunition from a licensee?
Yes. Under the GCA, long guns and long gun ammunition may be sold only to persons 18 years of age or older. Sales of handguns and ammunition for handguns are limited to persons 21 years of age and older. Although some State and local ordinances have lower age requirements, dealers are bound by the minimum age requirements established by the GCA. If State law or local ordinances establish a higher minimum age, the dealer must observe the higher age requirement.

[18 U.S.C. 922(b)(1), 27 CFR 478.99(b)]


An FFL cannot legally SELL a handgun to anyone under 21y/o. Asking for I/D to prove age of 21 or more may seem to be not so out of line.
..But asking a 60 y/o guy for I/D is also not going to make many new customers for you either.
I bet the female customers aren't asked for I/D as much.

If it's gov't mandated like the FOID card system,,different matter and the customer expects it.
A little common sense can go a long way in the retail business.

I actually don't know what a foid is but it reminded me of the W Texas cowboys on a bridge over a creek, one say this water is cold and the other says deep too and rocky on the bottom.
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FOID = Firearms Owners ID, It is bad enough living here in Illinois with all their goofy laws and such. Then forum members got to poke fun at you for living here and complying with the laws. The Shame of it all. Be glad you don't have a FOID!

I've had to show my permit at Gander Mt. to handle pistols.

I took a Colt SAA to a gun show to have the guy putting on the show give me an estimate. A kid at the door asked me to open the rug, he took the gun,asked me for my ID and filled out a form (with serial #, brand ect)which he tagged to the gun. when the appraiser was looking at the gun he sorta mumbled under his breath about the stupid tag, I said " I told him C&R, and I didnt need the tag" he agreed and said the kid was doing what he was told.

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A couple of times over the past year or so I've witnesses a gun store employee ask a younger looking person for his/her driver's license before showing them handguns.

-Off topic, however I REALLY hate trying to by Sudafed at Walmart. Not only do they scan your driver's license into the computer, they make you sign an electronic statement asserting the product is for your own personal use. Also, a couple local six pack shops now scan your driver's license every time you buy beer and they keep a record of your purchases.

I just don't see any reason to get worked up over the attitude of someone working behind the gun counter at Academy or Gander or Walmart.

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I have had this happen to me at a Academy store here in Texas. And they have lost a customer over it. I asked to see a Ruger LC9. This was the first time I had ever been asked to produce a ID to look at any firearm. I gave them my DL and Mil ID, and the gentleman handed them both back and said good enough..... Wait a second, your only 20, I cant hand you any handguns. Well, needless to say, I put down the items that I had planned to purchase, told my buddy I would be waiting outside for him, and haven't been back to an Academy since. A little back story on myself, I am currently only 20, turning 21 here in a few months. I had Just taken my CHL class, and was looking at possibly picking up another carry gun, well, I now know I will not be buying it from Academy. I will spend the extra cost to drive to a LGS, and pay a little more for some way better customer service. It would be nice for these big box sporting goods stores to educate their employees on the laws before sticking them behind the counter. I figure if I can be forced to carry a 9mm around for a year, I should at least be able to look at one, and hold one in my hands. Well, I never was too good at figuring. I can figure out though that Academy dosen't get anymore of my money.
-Andrew

And now Oklahoma is trying to make Sudafed, Claritin D, etc. prescription drugs, which means you have to go to the doctor to get some. Oh, and I have to lie to the electronic machine because I'm usually buying it for my daughter, wife, or mother.

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I wasn't "worked up" but I am old school (and old, too...) and believe that customer service should include a modicum of courtesy extended to the customer. I also don't like to hear "it's the law" cited as a reason when it isn't correct, since we already have far too many challenges with anti-gun elements now. Had he merely said it was a new store policy, and that perhaps the other clerks hadn't asked me because they knew me from previous gun sales, I could have easily (and willingly) accepted that. I also found it quite hard to believe that he couldn't just look at me and tell that I wasn't over 21.

On the other hand, and quite ironically, I don't like it when I am automatically given the senior discount in restaurants without being asked if I qualify...

To handle handguns in NY you must show your Pistol Permit.

Long guns do not have such a requirement.

I think years ago in Illinois I was asked for an FOID card, and as a college student I never got one so I never purchased anything.

In NJ the FFL needs to see your Firearms Purchasers Identification Card to show you a long gun.

To see a handgun you have to hand over your first born child.

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There have been cases in gun shops , like jewelry stores , where a person asked to see a pistol , clerk hands it to them , and then they ran out the door. There have even been a few smash & grabs too.

Its the same here and-that kid at Academy is full of Cow Patties. Ive never not once--ever-at any Gun Shop--ever--been asked for an ID to merely look at a gun. That kid needs to bone up on his version of law.

Academy in my area is very good on gun knowledge and the law. In fact, I just had a nice conversation with the Store Director here today about the ammo situation and such--and not to stray too far off-the ATF is allegedly investigating local gun shops for paying people to stand in line (and still doing so) to buy all the popular rounds and resell for huge profits. Apparently many here are making their frustrations known to the authorities.

Oh and BTW--that Indian ive been yakking about who buys all he can--isnt selling at gun shows (which I was surprised) but online.

Same thing here. Oh and, thank you for your service sir.

They wouldnt and also--if someone tried? they would have to face Gregg Abbott

Things must be different in Pennsylvania. Every gunstore I've been in, down here, EVERY clerk is armed. Someone hands you a gun and you turn and run for the door, there's gonna be people shooting at you.

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Sure am glad I live out here.

Pete

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[QUOTE=GKC;136349432] He said he knew this to be a fact because his neighbor who is a LEO told him so.QUOTE]

I have had a great deal of experience over the years with law enforcement officers; local, state, and federal. When it comes to laws pertaining to firearms, half of what they think they know is wrong, and they don't know what they should know. I would bet that 90% of the non-LEO people here know more about the laws than the average LEO.

I guess here in Wv were deprived of all the drama. We can even walk into Wally World and fondle a long gun, and yes of all the ones I bought there they walked them to the door, course I like to put my shirt over my carry piece so everyone in the store can see I'm carrying we are open carry kinda of fun making the manager walk to the front doors then hand it to you while your pakin'. I guess that is Wally Worlds policy as I've had it happen at several.

GM in Winchester, Va will let you fondle long and hand guns without ID or maybe it's because I'm a ol' folk.

Now some of the Wally Worlds are putting trigger locks on them on but they will take them off for you as long as you don't have ammo in your hand.

Not that brings up a interesting story, back in the 70's before trigger locks, guy walks into sporting good department of Ame's at the time asked to see a 12ga, then just like the terminator he shoves several rounds in and robs the store, guess that's where the trigger locks started cause after that all the stores around had them on.

Was the kid old enough himself to sell guns??

In Mass, you need to show your License To Carry before you can handle a gun and/or ammo in any shop. That said, you don't need ANY form of ID to vote.

Go figure.

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Bought some ammo at Wally World the other day and the register gave the clerk a prompt "Is customer 21?" The clerk looked at me as if to ask this question, and just said "never mind." Can't even get carded at Wally World.

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A Wal-Mart manager had to put a Ruger 10-22 IN my car before she called it mine.

About 2 weeks ago I had to show my Illinois FOID card to get in the door of a GS in Plainfield, IL. It is a large store with plenty of merchandise other than firearms and ammo. So it was a bit of a surprise that their apparent store policy is "No FOID card, No entry."

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Several posts up, reference was made to someone just running out the door with a stolen gun in a gun store where employees are armed. I had never thought of it but in this case, the guy would get shot in the back which always makes it difficult to prove he was threatening you. When a person comes in a store with a gun and announces a hold-up, employees have a right to assume he may try to kill them and he is facing them and pointing a gun at them. In this case, we know his gun is unloaded because we just handed it to him that way. Many states do not allow lethal force to protect property. Certainly some do.
On the subject of FOID (Firearm Owner's Identification Card) In the people's republic of Illinois, You must apply for a FOID card in order to own firearms or ammunition or to buy them. This involves filling out a form much like a 4473 and sending it in with a modest fee ($10 for 10 years)and waiting for the State Police to process it. This was put in place in about 1968. In more recent years, you have to show your FOID card to hold a gun in a store or at a show whether you buy it or not. The FOID card should replace the waiting period but it does not. Looking at Chicago's murder rate, it obviously isn't solving the gun violence problem either. Most gun owners don't like it but, other than it doesn't solve problems and isn't right, it's not really a huge deal. (And yes, I get that some feel "It's not right" is a huge deal.)

this info is dated but in the 80's- 90's in N.Y.a permit to own a pistol was req'd to look at one, with your hands. + to me it would seem a good way to keep the looky Lews from wasting a salesmans time. if you wanted to purchase one, then it's another role of red tape to get a permit to purchase and the specific gun and ser # is needed. a separate trip to your counties police pistol bureau m-f 9-5.

Must be a terrible thing to have a salesman's time wasted by looky lous. When I was behind the counter, I'd hand a gun to anyone that asked. He look like he could afford it? I don't care. He look old enough to buy it? I don't care. That was what I was there for - to put the gun in the customer's hand, 'cause very few people will buy a gun that they have not be able to hold.

When I was sixteen, maybe, I was in Western Auto, looking at the guns. Salesman came over and took out his keys, to unlock the rack. I told him I had no money - I was just "looking". He unlocked the rack anyway, asked me which one I wanted to look at, and said, "You can't look at a gun without holding it".

Very profound statement. Has stayed with me to this day.

14-year-old kid wants to look at a gun? Hand it to him. Yes, he ain't old enough. And, yes, he probably can't afford it. But if he likes the way it feels in his hand, maybe he can con Mama and Daddy into buying it for him. That certainly won't happen when the salesman says, "Go away kid and quit botherin' me. You ain't old enough".

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What do you do if you want to have a grandchild, under the age of 18, fitted for a youth shotgun? Can they not hold it to be fitted?

medxam

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If it's a "store requirement", you go to another store.

If it's a "state law", I believe you are outa luck.

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Ok, I worked at a Dicks Sporting Goods some years ago. So let me try and remember some of the overly dumb and CYA rules they had in place. Ok Store policy as I remember it. They only sold long guns. So 18 years old to see/handle/purchase a long gun. Now if you were younger and with an adult No problem. I can understand it when the person looks to young. But if the person asking to see is clearly over the age I see no point.

Then again if I was 15 I couldn't buy my spittin tobacco (Well I could but I looked old for my age) And the clerk at the gas station would laugh at me if I asked to just hold it.

Try this one out: Young kid asks to see a shotgun. You hand kid shotgun, Parent walks around the corner (This particular parent is a anitgun person) Parent gets irate that you would let a child handle a dangerous firearm. You know the guns unloaded, you showed the unloaded gun to the kid, the gun has a trigger lock on it. But you have to cover your butt right. If the kid is 18 he is an adult by most state.

Next one: A middle age street thug comes into the store and asks to see a handgun. You hand him the chosen firearm and he runs out the door with your merchandise. Now if you had his ID you would know who stole from you. Dumb crooks are abundant.

There are certain store policies that employees that have been there longer probably know they don't really need to abide to, and it may be the case that store policy is to check the I.D and he could be new and not want to get in trouble. Just my .02 cents Anyways I have bought 2 guns at Academy Sports and it has never happened to me yet. I will probably give them more business in the future.

The reason sales clerks carry your new purchase to the door of the larger chain type store is to be sure you haven't stolen or brought ammo in with you and load the gun and either shoot yourself or someone else while in their store. Trust me it has happened more than once. In the smaller shops the clerks are usually armed and only a short distance from the door and you are watched way,way more carefully. As far as we in Il. having to show our Foid card before looking at a firearm that is a rule made up and enforced by the politically appointed heads of the Il. State Police, no where in our laws is it mandated. We most certainly do not have to show our drivers Lic. when we look at cars on the lot, you even can set in one without showing your lic. It is just more big city chicago BS.

Sure makes me appreciate living here in Montana!! What some of you have to endure is amazing to me.....

Randy