Smith & Wesson Forum

Advertise With Us Search
Go Back   Smith & Wesson Forum > General Topics > The Lounge

Notices

The Lounge A Catch-All Area for NON-GUN topics.
PUT GUN TOPICS in the GUN FORUMS.
Keep it Family Friendly. See The Rules for Banned Topics!


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 02-24-2012, 10:29 AM
Rule3's Avatar
Rule3 Rule3 is offline
Member
Owners of old Ithaca M 37 question? Owners of old Ithaca M 37 question? Owners of old Ithaca M 37 question? Owners of old Ithaca M 37 question? Owners of old Ithaca M 37 question?  
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Florida
Posts: 22,091
Likes: 10,803
Liked 15,516 Times in 6,802 Posts
Question Owners of old Ithaca M 37 question?

I picked up a nice M 37 Deerslayer. My question is about the action release button/lever on the right side of the trigger.

It releases the action fine but seems to not have much "action" or "spring" to it. Pretty much just push it and it works but seems "dead" to me.

Is this normal or should there be a more positive push and return to it.

I looked at schematics and do not see a spring for it??

Going to go test fire it today. I dry cycled it and shucked some live ammo.
__________________
Still Running Against the Wind
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 02-24-2012, 10:42 AM
Texas Star Texas Star is offline
US Veteran
Absent Comrade
Owners of old Ithaca M 37 question? Owners of old Ithaca M 37 question?  
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Texas
Posts: 20,361
Likes: 24,260
Liked 16,154 Times in 7,408 Posts
Default

Those that I've handled had some tension to them; you had to push back against it to open the action. But it isn't usually too awfully strong. I think they're usually easier to open than an 870 or M-12.

I'd have a GOOD gunsmith look at it before you shoot it if it's that "soft." Or, try to compare it to others and see how it stacks up. I don't know if it could blow open prematurely on firing.

If you do need a spring or something, it shouldn't cost too much. I hope. (Maybe a spring didn't show on the schematic.)

I do find the location of the slide release to be very convenient on the M-37, one of the gun's good features.

Last edited by Texas Star; 02-24-2012 at 10:45 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 02-24-2012, 10:45 AM
ol' geeser ol' geeser is offline
Member
Owners of old Ithaca M 37 question? Owners of old Ithaca M 37 question? Owners of old Ithaca M 37 question? Owners of old Ithaca M 37 question? Owners of old Ithaca M 37 question?  
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Wood Co., Texas
Posts: 394
Likes: 244
Liked 212 Times in 87 Posts
Default

Be VERY carefully cycling live ammo.....Most older 37's are "slam fire" capable
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #4  
Old 02-24-2012, 11:21 AM
Rule3's Avatar
Rule3 Rule3 is offline
Member
Owners of old Ithaca M 37 question? Owners of old Ithaca M 37 question? Owners of old Ithaca M 37 question? Owners of old Ithaca M 37 question? Owners of old Ithaca M 37 question?  
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Florida
Posts: 22,091
Likes: 10,803
Liked 15,516 Times in 6,802 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ol' geeser View Post
Be VERY carefully cycling live ammo.....Most older 37's are "slam fire" capable

Yes, this one will.

Outside, muzzle pointed to the ground.
__________________
Still Running Against the Wind
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 02-24-2012, 05:05 PM
2152hq 2152hq is offline
Member
Owners of old Ithaca M 37 question?  
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 7,749
Likes: 1,642
Liked 9,152 Times in 3,380 Posts
Default

There's 2 springs in the M37 that power the slide release.
A tiny coil spring from the bottom gives it tension upwards.
The only non-coil spring in the trigger group, a simple bent wire spring, gives it some tension downward by pushing on the top of it.

If the action is working OK,,, that is: it locks up when the hammer is cocked and you CAN NOT unlock/slide the pump handle to the rear w/o either firing the gun or using the slide release,,,then I'd suspect the second spring (the simple piano wire spring) is weak, broken, ect.

The small coil that powers the slide latch from the bottom mearly makes sure it's pushed clear and out of the way when the hammer is down so the action can be opened.
Bolt must be locked for action to fire on a properly working M37.

You have to take the trigger group out of the receiver to get at the spring(s).
Cock the action.
Take the butt stock off (through bolt).
Remove the lower screw on the left side rear of the reciever and pull the trigger group out to the rear.

Simple pins holds things together. Just be carefull of the springs and their tension. Un-cock the hammer before removing it and it's spring. No special tools needed. None of the springs needs a special tool to install. The hammer spring is the strongest but can be reinstalled fairly easily.
Punches, hammer,,,a vise helps but not really necessary if you're in a pinch.

Re: 'slam fire' on an M37 or any of the various shotguns like the 870, M12, M42, ect.

They do not actually 'slam fire' as in the same contect as a STEN slam fires. A fixed firing pin in the bolt face mearly punching the primer as the bolt is closed.
The M37 has an internal hammer as do the others and a firing pin that is spring tensioned to the rear.
What occures is the trigger is disconnected from is sear notch in the hammer by the 'slide' as the action is worked.
The hammer is then let down onto the trigger as the slide pushes the bolt in battery. At that point, the gun is locked and can be fired. Holding the trigger to the rear simply allows the bolt to fall instead of resetting onto the trigger (sear) and fires the cartridge.

It's a simple system is the same idea as used on some early full auto mechanisms.
Since it uses a closed bolt for operation, it had it's draw backs

Repro Win M12 and 42 have an extra interupting sear part that will not allow the old feature. You have to intensionally release the trigger each time to fire the round.

A true slam fire in a M37 can occur if the firing pin breaks it's point and it becomes jammed into the breech face. Or the entire pin jams forward.
I've seen the latter happen occasionally on poorly maintained guns where rust gets in there.
A local Village PD Patrolman found that out a few years back on a cold January AM answering a violent fight call w/ shots fired.
He retrieved his issue M37 from the trunk of the vehicle, chambered a round and it blew a hole in the ice and snow in the street.
The shotgun was rusted from the wet and (road) salt conditions of the trunk storage and poor maintaince.
A couple of lessons in that one.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #6  
Old 02-24-2012, 05:42 PM
bushmaster1313's Avatar
bushmaster1313 bushmaster1313 is offline
Member
Owners of old Ithaca M 37 question? Owners of old Ithaca M 37 question? Owners of old Ithaca M 37 question? Owners of old Ithaca M 37 question? Owners of old Ithaca M 37 question?  
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: PRNJ
Posts: 6,749
Likes: 477
Liked 16,757 Times in 3,313 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rule3 View Post
Yes, this one will.

Outside, muzzle pointed to the ground.
Good thinking
__________________
Buy American
Vote Responsibly
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 02-24-2012, 06:13 PM
Pete99004's Avatar
Pete99004 Pete99004 is offline
Member
Owners of old Ithaca M 37 question? Owners of old Ithaca M 37 question? Owners of old Ithaca M 37 question? Owners of old Ithaca M 37 question? Owners of old Ithaca M 37 question?  
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: AZ
Posts: 2,065
Likes: 2,606
Liked 2,128 Times in 787 Posts
Default

2152hq has it covered - FYI - my M37 does have some small amount of "rebound" to the release lever. Must say that mine will give you a sore shoulder after a full day of bird shooting!!


Pete
__________________
Don't tread on me
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 02-24-2012, 08:38 PM
Rule3's Avatar
Rule3 Rule3 is offline
Member
Owners of old Ithaca M 37 question? Owners of old Ithaca M 37 question? Owners of old Ithaca M 37 question? Owners of old Ithaca M 37 question? Owners of old Ithaca M 37 question?  
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Florida
Posts: 22,091
Likes: 10,803
Liked 15,516 Times in 6,802 Posts
Thumbs up

Thank you 2152hq, that is exactly what is happening. Appears it is the piano spring more so than the coil, but I suspect that is weak also.

I like projects and can take down most any handgun or rifle but this one just may be returned as it needs other work. After buying parts and spending a few hours on it it's not worth it to me.
__________________
Still Running Against the Wind
Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
cartridge, gunsmith, ithaca, model 37, model 42, patrolman, primer


Posting Rules
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
QUESTION ABOUT ITHACA WWII 1911A1 Watchdog Firearms & Knives: Other Brands & General Gun Topics 9 12-12-2016 08:24 AM
Question for all you 317 owners? DeeBee S&W Revolvers: 1980 to the Present 3 07-13-2012 05:39 PM
Ithaca M&P Question BruceHMX Firearms & Knives: Other Brands & General Gun Topics 22 12-23-2011 07:39 AM
ULTRA MATCH AND ITHACA--ITHACA SOLD HERBYDOG GUNS - For Sale or Trade 1 09-18-2010 07:23 PM
CS9 owners - question for ya. Triggernosis Smith & Wesson Semi-Auto Pistols 3 04-14-2010 09:17 PM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3
smith-wessonforum.com tested by Norton Internet Security smith-wessonforum.com tested by McAfee Internet Security

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:33 PM.


Smith-WessonForum.com is not affiliated with Smith & Wesson Holding Corporation (NASDAQ Global Select: SWHC)