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What Guns, equal a early Model 70???
Given todays pricing, a better question might be... What is a Poorboys' version.
What brings this up... I was at a gunshow today, looking for a hood for the front sight on this gun. Nutty, but I was getting bothered by folks asking if it was a prewar 70. Soon as I said it was a 1950 Husqvarna Vapenfabiks with a FN commercial Model 98 large ring, they turned on their heels and ran away.
I own two pre war 70's....
The Husqvarna outshoots both of them... So go figure.
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Maybe they thought it was some kind combo-rifle/chainsaw!!
Very nice rifle by the way.
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Remington Model 721 is the equal if not better.
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Most American gun owners are conservative and know little about the world scene.
Last week, we had a man post photos here of a '98 sporter that someone told him was a Lee-Enfield!
People know the M-70, and many are looking for a rifle to sell for a profit, not to cherish and hunt with. Just pronouncing the name of the maker would twist many tongues.
Look at how some here admit to knowking little about J or K-frame revolvers because they are "into" N-frames! My mind just boggles at such a narrow range of interest.
Many Americans can't find Sweden on a globe, let alone know Swedish guns, or know that Sweden has a king. I post hete about Fallkniven's superb knives and get few responses.
I've owned a later HVA on their own lighter Mauser action, and it shot well. I've handled the later Series 9000 HVA's and know that they made many of the rifles sold here as S&W's.
But the average gun show attendee has very limited knowledge of such items.
Had I been there, I'd have probably asked to see the rifle and conratulated you on owning it.
Is it a .30/06? I'm pretty sure that most sold in Sweden were either 6.5X55's or in 8X57S. But most sent here were in US calibers.
Nice rifle. Thanks for posting. I enjoyed seeing it.
Hey: you might PM member Q-Ball, who is a Swede. He might know of a source for that sight hood. I don't think the factory would have it. They quit making firearms some years ago.
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I have a lot of Model 70s, pre and post 64s. In my opinion the new FN Model 70s are the best of the litter.
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Don't take offense giz, you just confused them.......... That's a fine looking rifle no matter what you call it.
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I have studied these models for 40 plus years so I do have some knowledge. The thing most people who answer such questions with a comment like " mine is as good or better " type of response have few facts. Years ago I was blessed with having a good job that paid well, so I decieded to purchase only the best items and I did massive research on everything from guns to pocketknives. When I studied early model 70's I quickly realised what Winchester was trying to accomplish. And that was not to build the most accurate rifle but to built the most rugged and reliable gun. They had this same philosiphy on many other designs as well. When you take ever piece and analize them you will see the glaring difference. The new models are great guns but have many cost cutting features the old guns didnt. The great 98 mauser you talk about is the only gun it equal or better.
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The winchester Model 54. I had two of them, both superbly accurate. One in .30-06 and the other in the super rare .30-30.
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I have both Pre64 mod. 70 and 1951 Husqvarna, the Husky is lighter and well made the Husky shoots the first two rounds that cut each other then starts to walk to the right the hotter barrel gets the further to the right it goes (10 rounds). The mod. 70 unaltered shoot 1-1/2 in groups. Both are like running like cutting warm butter and minute of buck is about 3 moa. I like the mod. 70 better but don't regret the old Husky.
By the way Savage with a good trigger and a composite stock shoot very well and have a low price. Weight is lite also.
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Maybe they thought it was some kind combo-rifle/chainsaw!!
Very nice rifle by the way.
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Nobody ever mentions the Stihl.....
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Someone needs to mention the Mannlicher-Schonauers for build quality, although the M-70's Mauser-based action is better, especially if a 'scope is mounted.
Also, the M-70 functions quicker, in part due to the placement of the bolt handle The post-'68 M-70 also has a bolt head guide that reminds me of that on the SMLE. It's very slick and fast when "worn-in."
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Giz-
Most American gun owners are conservative and know little about the world scene.
Last week, we had a man post photos here of a '98 sporter that someone told him was a Lee-Enfield!
People know the M-70, and many are looking for a rifle to sell for a profit, not to cherish and hunt with. Just pronouncing the name of the maker would twist many tongues.
Look at how some here admit to knowking little about J or K-frame revolvers because they are "into" N-frames! My mind just boggles at such a narrow range of interest.
Many Americans can't find Sweden on a globe, let alone know Swedish guns, or know that Sweden has a king. I post hete about Fallkniven's superb knives and get few responses.
I've owned a later HVA on their own lighter Mauser action, and it shot well. I've handled the later Series 9000 HVA's and know that they made many of the rifles sold here as S&W's.
But the average gun show attendee has very limited knowledge of such items.
Had I been there, I'd have probably asked to see the rifle and conratulated you on owning it.
Is it a .30/06? I'm pretty sure that most sold in Sweden were either 6.5X55's or in 8X57S. But most sent here were in US calibers.
Nice rifle. Thanks for posting. I enjoyed seeing it.
Hey: you might PM member Q-Ball, who is a Swede. He might know of a source for that sight hood. I don't think the factory would have it. They quit making firearms some years ago.
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It is a 128xxx in .270
I am chasing down rear sight and hood.
Sorry state of affairs, most gun shows. 20 or more years ago, folks would have been able to help. Now, not so much...
Damn, I am ancient...
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I know what you mean. I'm sitting home for several reasons, but one is this weekends gun show has been reported by a fair number of people to "be kinda light", and to flat out suck. I'm not in buying mode, so will save the gas and entrance fee. A fairly small market in AK and so some of the same guns have been drug around with escalating prices that I've seen for over 20 years. I think some of the fellas just need a social gathering with guns at hand.
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Most of the experts at the shows only have their knowledge from what they've read in the gun rags.
Just mistaking a 98 for M70 is pretty bad.
What's best or comparable? I don't even like to get into those discussions. I have my favorites and others have theirs.
I have one pre-war M70, a 300Savage Carbine. Just a collector piece. I've never shot it. I don't think it has been.
They're nice but I don't go out of my way to look at them at a show or desire to buy another. It came my way inexpensively, so I hung on to it as an investment.
I'd rather buy another pre-war M98 or M88 European sporter,,, or another MannlicherSchoenauer. I consider those a cut above the prewar M70. But again,,just an opinion.
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I don't have a modern bolt action rifle, I have Mauser customs, 2 are pr-WWII and one is pr-WWI, The actions have completely been gone through, blueprinted, aligned and modified but there really wasnt that much to do to make them great, Mauser built great weapons that modern rifles hope to be when they grow up. My 1916 Gew 98 (almost all matching numbers) still wears its original barrel, it has Lyman target sights on it and a muzzle brake. When I bought it, it was in one of those "space age" ATI stocks so I didn't get all the pieces. It is in 8x57 and I have worked up loads just for it. I absolutely adore it. My 1935 BRNO VZ24 was in great shape but didn't have all matching numbers. It like all of them have new springs and Timney triggers but this one is having a very heavy Krieger Barrel being put on it changing it to .308, when completed it will have a 28 inch barrel and wear a new scope, I just haven't decided which one yet. The following pics are of a 1936 VZ24 almost all matching numbers in 8x57 still wearing its original barrel. It has taken 9 deer in the last 3 years since I finished it for myself, my wife and a couple of nephews. DSCF0461.JPG
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My Dad has a Swede 1919 6.5x55 all matching numbers an extremely sweet and accurate shooter. These are all very fine tools that do the job that we want them to do (hunt) very well. Years after they were made so why buy something new and modern. I have my Sport, I have my Winchester 1100 I even have my 10-22. But nothing touches my Mausers.
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I have several M-70s and a Husky 270 all quite nice but I must admit my CG63 match rifle in 6.5X55 is exceptional.
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