Man Kills molester in Texas

[chud333]

Just read about the father in Shiner, Texas who responded to the screams of his daughter behind his barn only to find the unthinkable: A molester in the process of raping his child.
He proceeded to pull the scumbag off of her and beat the guy to death with his fists.
No charges will be brought against the father. Kudos to the prosecutors office in Texas. There are still evidently some people left in the world with common sense.
Would you have done the same thing as this guy? Or would you have gotten something besides your fists ?
I.E. a gun or something else. Just wondering......

Chuck

[WrongWay]

I would have done whatever possible to prevent the s-b from raping my daughter, even if it caused me to go to prison.

[bp231986]

I think beating him to death with fist says "Justice has been served!!!!"

[Hondo44]

It was very fortunate that he only used his fists and did not intentionally kill the scumbag. I feel no indictment was the right call. There's such a thing as 'righteous emotional reaction' and thank goodness it happened in Texas where common justice still seems to prevail! I'd hate to think of the outcome in a state like CA or MA or some other bastion of liberalism.

[BCDWYO]

I hope to God I never have to find out what I would do but since I am always armed there is a good chance it would involve a weapon...fists seemed to work well in this case though and might have been the safest option considering how close the daughter would be to the line of fire...seems like a good place for a Louisville Slugger so I wouldn't wreck my hands...not that I would be thinking about my hands or anything else under those circumstances!

[Hillbilly77]

I couldn't think of anything more satisfying than my own two hands in a situation like that.
Bravo to the dad and the Texas justice system.

May God heal their wounds.

[mafuta54]

Texas father won't face charges in alleged attacker's death | Fox News

[LTC]

I would use what ever force I had at hand to end the threat. If that means the rapist dies in the course of events, I'm ok with that too.

I can only imagine the blind rage this would put me into, or any other father for that matter.

LTC

[Thunder71]

Title of this thread should read 'Man saves daughter in Texas, one less scumbag on the loose'.

[Mule88]

Shooting him would have been too quick, the beating of the fists...he had time to hurt and think about it....before he entered Hell!

[DGT]

To my way of thinking, justice has been served. In cases such as this, I'm a big believer in dispensing a big dose of Pioneer Justice.

[WPWarhawk]

Because the father was no billed by the grand jury, he will never face any legal proceedings from this matter again, criminal or civil.

[DeadAye]

I guess I would have shot him.
There's always a gun in my pocket.
I have it in my hand when replying to feminine terrified screams.

So far I've only had to do that once and the perp had beat a path before I got there.
Turned out to be the woman down the street's kid beat her up because she wouldn't give him some money to buy some meth..... Some moms - eh?

Also as a result of this misadventure another neighbor moved to Arkansas because I made it very clear to him that not responding to a woman screaming in our neighborhood would be detrimental to HIS health in the future.
Hey - It could have been my wife in dire need of help!

[Stevens]

No charges? I think a medal is in order.
God knows how many kids he had assaulted before, and how many he would if he wasn't exterminated.
Steve W

[moosedog]

I'm a gun guy through and through, but the satisfaction of beating that scumbag to death would bring much more satisfaction than a couple of trigger pulls.

[Hillbilly77]

For the next order of business, does anybody have this man's PO Box number to send the fan mail?

[jrd1976]

Somebody needs to check the molester out from the time of his birth to the time of his death. This does not sound like his first attack on a child.

Good luck to the Texas family and their recovery.

[jkc]

Evidently, Texas statutes are to some extent similar to AZ's, permitting use of force, including deadly force, to intervene in the the commission of certain crimes, sexual assault of minors among them. I'd hope that every state had similar statutes, but it would be prudent to know what is legally defined justified use of force in one's own jurisdiction, not that it would influence anyone's reaction to these circumstances.

In this instance, we might hope that the little girl is too young to appreciate what happened and to be permanently psychologically traumatized by the rape, but the father's beating to death of her rapist must be traumatizing for them both. Glad he's exonerated --- justice is served.

[Packard]

This is not the entire story. There were no witnesses. The "bad guy" had no history of violence or any pedaphile history. It was just his claim against that of a dead man.

It could just as easily have been an arguement that went crazy and he came up with this scheme to beat the rap.

I'm not saying that is what happened, I'm not jumping up and down praising this guy. It is not clear. What is clear is that at some point before the "bad guy" was killed, he was no longer a danger to the girl or her father. That was the problem he was facing. He could have called the cops before it reached the point of killing the guy.

If he shot him, I think he would have been safer. You cannot "half shoot" someone. So once he shot him (two or three taps) and he called the cops I think it is a safer situation (legally) for the father.

[Stevens]

From what I have read so far the girl was examined by doctors who verified she had been molested.
Steve W

[Onomea]

Originally Posted by Stevens

From what I have read so far the girl was examined by doctors who verified she had been molested.
Steve W

Fox article posted above, too, says forensic evidence and witnesses corroborated the father's account.

[keith44spl]

Originally Posted by Packard

This is not the entire story. There were no witnesses. The "bad guy" had no history of violence or any pedaphile history. It was just his claim against that of a dead man.

It could just as easily have been an arguement that went crazy and he came up with this scheme to beat the rap.

I'm not saying that is what happened, I'm not jumping up and down praising this guy. It is not clear. What is clear is that at some point before the "bad guy" was killed, he was no longer a danger to the girl or her father. That was the problem he was facing. He could have called the cops before it reached the point of killing the guy.

If he shot him, I think he would have been safer. You cannot "half shoot" someone. So once he shot him (two or three taps) and he called the cops I think it is a safer situation (legally) for the father.

Where'd you get all that information? Please verify all of that if you will.

I'd sure like to see factual evidence of your statement to see if it'll hold water or not.

I do believe folks down here have a different value on the life of a child molester than you seem to come accross with.

I personally haven't saw a horse that needed stealin' nor child or woman that needed to be molested...But, I have saw a few men that needed killin'.

That's all I've got to say about all this.


Su Amigo,
Dave


Broadcasting from North Texas, south of the Red River

[HERMAN.40]

Originally Posted by Stevens

No charges? I think a medal is in order.
God knows how many kids he had assaulted before, and how many he would if he wasn't exterminated.
Steve W

I Think I saw this quoted here" You don't hang a man for stealing a horse, You hang him so he doesn't steal any more."

[silentflyer]

Charge him? A trial? Hell, give him a medal..

[HalfStack]

I don't get it. The guy just grabbed the girl and run off into the bushes with her. Does he really think he's gonna get away with it? Or he didn't care what the consequences are as a result?

I don't know how long he's been with the family but I felt this isn't the first time he molested the girl.

At any rate, justice is served.

[2fingers]

Justice has been served!

[Bell Charter Oak Holsters]

Another scumbag, that needed killin' plain and simple. My thoughts and prayers to Father and Daughter.

Lefty

[captorquewrench]

All I got to say is, I've been in a similar pair of shoes as this little girl. In my case, it was my sister who defended me and a gunshot instead of a beating.

This little girl's Daddy is a hero.

I will also say this. daddy and the little girl will never simply be over this...it will be with them every day, and it is hard to not let a predator or molester have power over you even long after they are dead. It is a hard choice I make every day to not let that have power over my life. Well, it used to be hard to make. It's easy to make the choice to not a dead molester have power over me. Sometimes it's hard to live out, though.

[Hondo44]

Originally Posted by Packard

This is not the entire story. There were no witnesses. The "bad guy" had no history of violence or any pedaphile history. It was just his claim against that of a dead man.

You are as misinformed as your speculation is wacky.

There's apparently more story than you know, that's for sure. The victim's 11 year old sister witnessed the assault! She ran to get the father.

No pedaphile history??? You mean he hadn't been caught yet! The well known history is that pedaphiles have many assaults in their past before ever being caught for the 1st time! This bad guy's exposure might have been his first but he won't have to get caught again..................because it was definitely his last!

[RightArm]

I remember when the story broke on the news. A news crew asked citizens and law enforcement of Shiner if charges should and would be filed. People looked at the newscaster like he was crazy. I believe some even questioned back, "Charges? Why?" I sure love Texas.

[brucev]

Originally Posted by chud333

Just read about the father in Shiner, Texas who responded to the screams of his daughter behind his barn only to find the unthinkable: A molester in the process of raping his child.
He proceeded to pull the scumbag off of her and beat the guy to death with his fists.
No charges will be brought against the father. Kudos to the prosecutors office in Texas. There are still evidently some people left in the world with common sense.
Would you have done the same thing as this guy? Or would you have gotten something besides your fists ?
I.E. a gun or something else. Just wondering......

Chuck

Such a criminal act is tragic for the child and her parents. The added trauma of the father having to face prosecution, etc., would be reprehensible. Nothing will undo the evil that was perpetrated upon this child. Dwelling on what happened and hating the criminal who did it will not be helpful. It will not bring healing to anyone. It will only allow the evil to continue to damage them all. Hopefully this little girl and her family will be able to move on with their lives. May God bless them all with the ability to do so.

In 1998 when my daughters were little girls they attended Sunday School at the church I served. The boys and girls in that little church were very close. One afternoon after school, a man entered the house where four little boys lived who attended our church. He violently assaulted the smallest boy. The Sunday School teacher called me when they found the boy. She was screaming and crying. I drove 38 miles to get to the family. By the time I got there, men had come out of the fields and left other places of work to find the attacker. That Sunday School teacher was driving back and forth through town along with others trying to find him. That man lived because the police found him hiding in some brush. If the men or that Sunday School teacher had found him, I am absolutely sure he would have found out just exactly what Jesus meant about millstones tied around the neck and the deep parts of the sea.

[Snakeshift]

Originally Posted by Packard

This is not the entire story. There were no witnesses. The "bad guy" had no history of violence or any pedaphile history. It was just his claim against that of a dead man.

It could just as easily have been an arguement that went crazy and he came up with this scheme to beat the rap.

I'm not saying that is what happened, I'm not jumping up and down praising this guy. It is not clear. What is clear is that at some point before the "bad guy" was killed, he was no longer a danger to the girl or her father. That was the problem he was facing. He could have called the cops before it reached the point of killing the guy.

If he shot him, I think he would have been safer. You cannot "half shoot" someone. So once he shot him (two or three taps) and he called the cops I think it is a safer situation (legally) for the father.

I think this post adequately sums up the differences in the way the Justice system [and people in general] works down here in the land of the free (Texas), and how it works in the land of the Lawsuit (New York).

All I can say is I'm glad this brave Father lives in a state where defending his daughters life and innocence isn't seen as a crime.

Remember the Alamo!!!!

[ohiobuckeye]

The link to this account has more details...the little girl was five years old and there was a witness to the rape. Personally, I'm glad the father had no gun to kill the rapist quickly...hopefully, he died slowly and painfully from the well deserved beating. No charges for Texas father who killed daughter's alleged molester - U.S. News

[Magster]

Justice has been served. Texas, where common sense still exists. If this had happend in most states, the trauma would have continued for these poor people.

[2001gmc]

Justice was served IMO. He got what he deserved. What I would do or say isn't appropriate for this forum. Nuff Said!

[KKECK5]

No doubt he did what was needed. Coming from Massachusetts i can tell you he would have been charged and it might have been a **** shoot for him to be found not guilty, depends on the area of the state. Me, I would've given him a 'well done' and sent him on his way.

[photoman]

Texas Penal Code: Title 2, Chapter 9, Subchapter C, Section 9.32 (a)(2)(B)

That's fancy talk to say that a person can use deadly force to prevent the imminent commission of aggravated sexual assault.

[nipster]

Speaking of molesters, they found that dirtbag Jerry Sandusky guilty

[Magster]

That's good news indeed about Sandusky!

[WPWarhawk]

Originally Posted by RightArm

I remember when the story broke on the news. A news crew asked citizens and law enforcement of Shiner if charges should and would be filed. People looked at the newscaster like he was crazy. I believe some even questioned back, "Charges? Why?" I sure love Texas.

The first time I heard about this, someone asked about charges, and was answered with "why would you bother to charge a dead child molester?"

God Bless Texas

[kmyers]

Originally Posted by Hondo44

The victim's 11 year old sister witnessed the assault!

There is also the victim herself. My wife and I both agree that anybody who murders or molests a child deserve nothing less than death.

[oberon]

I must offer my prayer for the total and complete recovery of the tiny victim.
Her experience is something that may affect her the rest of her life.
These issues can be adressed by a wise and competent counselor. Or two. Maybe one for spiritual healing and another to deal with the pure emotional aspect.
What a rotten thing.
Best wishes for the survivor(s).

[chud333]

Prayers should go out to the Small child and the Father who will have
to re-live this incident for the rest of their lives.
Personally i have no remorse or sympathy for the perp who would
stoop so low as to hurt a child.
I can't say what i might have done had i caught someone molesting one of my grandchildren. But i hope i would have the courage that this man did. No matter what state he was in he was "Justified" in his actions.
Whether or not the law would agree is another story. Just my humble opinion. Glad to hear there are alot of people out there with the same
sentiments. There's not a person alive who is less deserving of life than someone who would hurt a child. Thanks for your thoughts.

Chuck

[Line Rider]

I'm glad the DA took the case to the Grand Jury. The Grand Jury returned a " No Bill " that means that there were no criminal laws broken.

A " No Bill " by a Grand Jury will also kill a civil suit if one is filed by the scumbag's family. I would think that more than likely the family will sue. But if they do that ain't got a chance.

[Rule 303]

Indicted???

There is no way he would have been indicted in the State of Texas. He was acting within the Scope and Limits of the Law.
In Texas you can use Deadly Force to prevent Sexual Assault and Aggravated Sexual Assalt.

No way you can be indicted for what he did as long as he, the witness and the evidence say it happened the way it did.

Rule 303

[Hillbilly77]

Originally Posted by Snakeshift

I think this post adequately sums up the differences in the way the Justice system [and people in general] works down here in the land of the free (Texas), and how it works in the land of the Lawsuit (New York).

All I can say is I'm glad this brave Father lives in a state where defending his daughters life and innocence isn't seen as a crime.

Remember the Alamo!!!!

Things like these are the reasons that if I ever smarten up and leave this cess-pool called New York State, the great state of Texas will be at or near the top of the list of places to move to.
I've talked to some transplanted Texans, and from their statements, it seems like things make more sense down there.

The nice thing is, the company I work for has several places I could transfer to. Hmmm.... Why am I still here?

[joespapa]

Originally Posted by Hillbilly77

Things like these are the reasons that if I ever smarten up and leave this cess-pool called New York State, the great state of Texas will be at or near the top of the list of places to move to.
I've talked to some transplanted Texans, and from their statements, it seems like things make more sense down there.

The nice thing is, the company I work for has several places I could transfer to. Hmmm.... Why am I still here?

Grew up in New York City. Left in 1975 .Moved to Texas. Best move I ever made. Have lived on Oklahoma since 1989, two if the BEST places in the US to live!

[J Rich]

I pray the whole Family can put this behind them, and move on with life.

As for the piece of junk that called his self a man. He got exactly what was coming to him. If more of these dirt bags got caught and beaten to death on the spot. Maybe there would be a lot less of our Women and Children getting hurt by these dirt bags.

[GKC]

Even if the father had a gun, I doubt he would have used it for fear of shooting his daughter in the process, since he had to pull the rapist off her.

As for as taking the case to the grand jury, I understand that it is procedural...but if I was on that grand jury, I think I would be strongly tempted to arraign the prosecutor for even bringing the case, and wasting everyone's time! (And yes, I know a "no bill" from the GJ works to the father's benefit...I am being mostly facetious.)

Things aren't perfect here, but they are considerably better than they are in some states!

[captorquewrench]

Originally Posted by Rule 303

Indicted???

There is no way he would have been indicted in the State of Texas. He was acting within the Scope and Limits of the Law.
In Texas you can use Deadly Force to prevent Sexual Assault and Aggravated Sexual Assalt.

No way you can be indicted for what he did as long as he, the witness and the evidence say it happened the way it did.

Rule 303

My sister never even went to trial or pre trial for shooting our dad in the act. There was a hearing, none of us were even present, and it was ruled justified. From what I was told it took less than 15 minutes to reach that decision.

Thank God.