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02-28-2013, 10:25 PM
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Opinions sought on H&K USP 9mm (GOT IT!)
I may be able to pick up one of these for $500 even:
It is used, in excellent condition, with box and papers and one magazine.
I wouldn't carry it, but I have a sizeable stash of 9mm ammo and nothing to shoot it up. I also think this would be pretty good trade bait if I don't take to it.
It seems very large for a 15 shot 9mm. I also understand the rail is a non-standard size - not a big deal for me, but that may affect trade or resale down the line.
I'd appreciate input from anyone who has first-hand experience with one of these. My only experience with H&K is the various MP5 10mms I've been issued over the past 22 years, and a USP Compact .40 I evaluated as a possible issue gun. Those experiences we're very very favorable.
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02-28-2013, 10:55 PM
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Get it. You'll never lose money on an HK for $500. I've had a P7 and a USP (in .45) and both were superior pistols.
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02-28-2013, 11:04 PM
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I have the full size USP .45. I think it is fantastic. There is no reason to think that the 9mm would be less.That is a pretty good price.
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02-28-2013, 11:09 PM
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I'm not the kind of guy that has ever put 10K rounds down any barrel except possibly back in the military years. I have fired possibly every make and model of handgun I know about with exception to a few real odd-ball or rare models. I've had my share of 1911's and a couple of real beauties along the way. I have to rate HK pistols at the top of my list and of all the pistols I've owned they are the only ones I never consider letting go of. I've been through a number of Browning HP's and rate it my favorite semi-auto pistol bar none...but if I had to grab one pistol and go out the door it would be an HK. I only have one HK in 9mm, it is the little P2000SK and it has found its way into my wife's posession, which I am happy for. I replaced it with an HK45C. I have fired the 9mm USP and if I was interested in a full sized 9mm I wouldn't hesitate on one for that money, you won't be sorry especially if you have larger hands. My USPs are in .45 and .40, the .40 had custom factory work done to it like trigger job, funnel mag, its my wife's favorite pistol.
I get a kick out of people that I've known that used to say "I'd never own a tupperware gun" I let them shoot the HKs and they change their tune. About the only thing that I think puts some folks off is the high price...you pay your money and you take your chances. I've never had any ftf by any of the HK's I have ever shot that was the pistols fault, one dead primer. Interestingly I had some ammo made by some middle eastern company that had real tough primers, even my Browning HP had problems with, the little P2000 HK fired it without a hiccup.
I passed up a MK 23 years ago and am still kicking myself over that, I find it hard to imagine them being truly any better that a .45 USP Tactical but in the HK world they are the top of the mark, its all about the trigger and balance.
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02-28-2013, 11:19 PM
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having extensively test driven a USP in 45, I give it a solid 8 out of ten.
my gripes are the grip is a hair on the large side for concealed carry and its DA firing system gives virtually every possible mode for carry.
Cocked and locked, hammer down safety off mimicking a Glock, decocked and locked .... really enough options to jam you up if you don't form a solid routine with it and stick to that routine like a religion. Last gripe is the polygonal rifled barrel which dictates no cast or swaged lead bullets be used.
Thats the full and all inclusive gripe list. Most have far more lengthy ones.
The specimen in question jammed once in the first 50 rounds and never again. It may not have match accuracy, but you'd have a hard time convincing the gun of this.
Bottom line ... get it or regret it
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Is there really a question???
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03-01-2013, 07:53 AM
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I owned a couple. They are great shooters. Very accurate. A little large for concealed carry. Never experienced any type of malfunction. Great sights too.
In today's market that is a fine price.
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Re: Opinions sought on H&K USP 9mm
Excellent guns. I have one just like it but with s different trigger (no safeties, lighter pull). You can get an adapter for the rail that clamps on and makes it standard.
Anything HK is expensive. Mags run about $40 and the 18 round mags can run about $70.
You cant go wrong with HKs.
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03-01-2013, 10:45 AM
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Great price, great gun. They do not wear out. I was told the barrels are rated for 20K rounds..... IOW a lifetime of shooting. The LEM trigger is very good. I would fit one if it did not have it.
I've used the USP for duty in the past and I have never had a malfunction of any kind, in thousands of rounds!! It never broke down on me either.
It is well-built, I mean like a tank, fit my hand (medium sized) perfectly and was a mild recoiler.
People either love or hate the magazine release, which is a lever, not a button; I LOVED IT!
For reloads: Use your trigger finger to push the magazine release. I've never been able to reload a magazine faster than with that USP. I have medium sized hands and every other pistol I've had requires me to rotate my strong hand out of battery to push the mag release. In that moment, mistakes can happen. The grip is altered, I've had shots after a mag change that were out of the prime hit-zone because my grip got fouled up after a mag change, requiring a grip adjustment, costing more time off target and slower follow up shots.
It is dead-nuts accurate too, and shoots to point of aim to 15 yards. Put the front sight on spot you want to hit and press. I did my most perfect scores in the fastest time on requal with this pistol than any other. It is like lightning in my hands. The only other pistol came as close was the Glock, but that crummy, tiny, hard to reach and push mag button always did me in with my times compared to the USP, the Glock's saving grace was its ability to do fast follow-ups. The Gen 4s are better than previous Glocks, but none are as good at getting a fresh mag in than the HK's.
Some things to watch out for:
-The magazine bases like to crack, and sometimes become loose making the mag unable to go home. The mag base is detachable by pressing a button. Push the base home to make sure the button is fully engaged.
-If you are a lazy cleaner, like I am, just make sure the feed ramp stays clean, and the breachface stays free of carbon. Otherwise, cleaning optional!
-Do not over-lube. Just a drop on each rail guide, and a ver light sheen on the barrel where it locks up.
This gun just ran and ran and ran, I bought one for personal use. I carry a 1911 and my personal USP as daily carry. I'd stake my life on that USP.
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03-02-2013, 09:04 AM
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Great price, but be ready to have a BIG gun.
Too big for me anyways.
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03-02-2013, 12:25 PM
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I have a USP 40 and it has been flawless. As mentioned they are large, but you wont be embarassed to be seen with her. $500 for a good condition USP is a great deal, IMO
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03-02-2013, 01:15 PM
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I've only owned one H&K, a USP Compact in .45ACP. I liked it OK, but I didn't care for the magazine release at all. It was very hard for me to use. The magazines were extremely expensive (at least to me...they were $50 to $60) and hard to find, and this was a couple of years ago. The grip was also a little big for my comfort, but then I have small hands.
They are regarded as a very reliable gun, though.
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03-08-2013, 06:22 PM
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I heeded the excellent advice given here, and brought this home:
This gun had sat with no love, like the fat girl at the prom. I'd picked it up a few times and always thought, "If only you were a .45 or even a .40, fat girl, you would be mine" and put it right back.
During the recent frenzy everything else flew out of store, until the only handguns left were a TC Contender, a Taurus .22 mag revolver, and fat girl.
There may be some truth to the old adage that fat girls make the best.............. dancers. They try harder.
I took this one out to the BLM and put 100 rounds downrange with not a single bobble. Even the funky truncated cone eco-friendly ammo that chokes everything else was rendered empty with alacrity.
I didn't shoot at paper, but I put 7 of 7 into a milk jug at an honest 75 yards. All I had to do was put those blocky sights under the jug, raise the front sight a tad, and smoosh that plastic trigger straight back - fat girl did the rest.
I've already ordered another mag and the little adapter that'll let me use the rail with standard rail stuff. Might as well fatten her up some more.
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Great gun, you will enjoy it. I had the exact same gun and sold it a few years ago. I have regretted it ever since.
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03-08-2013, 09:26 PM
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A little late to post, but you will not regret it.
I ccw a HKP30! IWB with a Galco summer Comfort, The P30 falls between the usp and uspc in size. You cannot go wrong with an HK
The HK is similar to S&Ws one leads to another and another and so on
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03-08-2013, 10:14 PM
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I think you'll be very happy with it. But don't call her Fat Girl. Try Valkerie or Brunhilde.
Of course, if you get into a gunfight with that as your piece, you can tell people that it ain't over until the fat lady sings... (The noise you hear is Richard Wagner spinning in his grave.)
I think the USP is the current German Army pistol and they get around to places like Afghanistan and probably, Bosnia and such. It seems to have served well.
My main complaint after handling one is that the grip is a little too long fore-and-aft for my hand, like on the P-38 it replaced. Useable, but not ideal. And I held it up to a light and saw gaps below the front sight. I guess they allow plenty of clearance and the sights may be interchangeable blades. But that fit riled me on a gun that costly. I bought a Beretta M-92FS instead. Still, if I had the money, I'd probably buy a USP. I'd like to try one. You got a good deal on this one, as you know.
I think you'll find it effective wih Gold Dot or Fed's 124 grain HST ammo, and that flatpoint Hornady (?) ammo should clip small game pretty well, or penetrate well on large animals. NYPD has had good results with 124 grain Gold Dot. I think it'd be a good opportunistic coyote gun, or do well on foxes and bobcats and jackrabbits. Not sure about blue grouse up a tree. Maybe a FMJ wouldn't ruin too much meat. Maybe if you head-shoot the bird...
Can you shoot sitting grouse in New Mexico? A 9mm should finish off a deer easily, too. Or, snakes. Do you have those nasty Mojave rattlers there?
In normal times, 9mm ammo is often pretty cheap. That has to count for something.
Congratulations. And thanks for the range report.
P.S. Now that I think about it, doesn't the Bureau still allow subsonic 9mm for agents who prefer that caliber? Maybe 147 grain Hydra- Shok or somesuch? How's that perform on small game?
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03-09-2013, 12:54 PM
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I think you'll find it effective wih Gold Dot or Fed's 124 grain HST ammo, and that flatpoint Hornady (?) ammo should clip small game pretty well, or penetrate well on large animals. NYPD has had good results with 124 grain Gold Dot. I think it'd be a good opportunistic coyote gun, or do well on foxes and bobcats and jackrabbits. Not sure about blue grouse up a tree. Maybe a FMJ wouldn't ruin too much meat. Maybe if you head-shoot the bird...
P.S. Now that I think about it, doesn't the Bureau still allow subsonic 9mm for agents who prefer that caliber? Maybe 147 grain Hydra- Shok or somesuch? How's that perform on small game?
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That ammo in the picture is a Federal load, code PNT9N. The endflap says "115 gr. non-toxic, non-frangible solid metallic projectile w/non-toxic primer. For training use only." (NTNFSMPWNTP/FTUO for short, I guess) I think the bullet is solid copper, and I'm pretty sure its not on the market anymore. It was great training ammo, alright - if you're training for stoppage drills.
Our current issue is 147 grain Gold Dot. Nobody in our office carries a 9mm, so I hardly ever see any.
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That's a great picture, BTW. I wish everyone could photograph guns as well as you do.
Oh: I have an Air Soft USP, which I like. I bet that yours will work better on coyotes.
I've never seen that copper ammo. Hornady used to make a Truncated FMJ that was used in the USAF pistol trials that led to adoption of the Beretta M-9. They also made it in .45. Don't know if they stil have it. It fed okay in my guns.
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