|
|
12-07-2013, 11:18 PM
|
Absent Comrade
|
|
|
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Virginia Beach, VA
Posts: 659
Likes: 157
Liked 3,729 Times in 429 Posts
|
|
Help with a .41 Derringer Rig
I've always wanted a Remington .41 O/U Derringer. I bought this today mainly because it had this cool sleeve holder. There are no markings on the rig. Anyone seen anything like this before?
|
The Following 11 Users Like Post:
|
-db-, Dutchguy, Gunsnwater, H Richard, J. R. WEEMS, LAKOTA169, lawandorder, LoadedRound, Old TexMex, ringo1597, s&wchad |
12-07-2013, 11:29 PM
|
Absent Comrade
|
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: utah
Posts: 13,059
Likes: 2,547
Liked 7,201 Times in 3,064 Posts
|
|
I dont know the maker but it is pretty darn nice! Here is one I used to have. From what I have read getting one without a cracked hinge is the main thing to look for.
|
12-07-2013, 11:35 PM
|
|
US Veteran
|
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: MI
Posts: 4,569
Likes: 13,995
Liked 5,919 Times in 1,761 Posts
|
|
I'd have to do a search but I know S. D. Myres made one like that, or similar, that was worn above the wrist.
__________________
SWHF #448
|
12-07-2013, 11:42 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Northeast Texas
Posts: 3,707
Likes: 6,257
Liked 6,354 Times in 2,185 Posts
|
|
That thing looks like it could be as dangerous to the shooter as the shootee.
|
12-07-2013, 11:48 PM
|
|
US Veteran
|
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: MI
Posts: 4,569
Likes: 13,995
Liked 5,919 Times in 1,761 Posts
|
|
I'm unable to find a photo of the Myres setup but if turnerriver sees this thread, he'll likely have some info.
__________________
SWHF #448
|
12-07-2013, 11:56 PM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Spokane, WA
Posts: 13,525
Likes: 1,184
Liked 18,475 Times in 7,311 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by RBscrim
I've always wanted a Remington .41 O/U Derringer. I bought this today mainly because it had this cool sleeve holder. There are no markings on the rig. Anyone seen anything like this before?
|
Cool looking rig, but judging by the length of the straps, it appears that you wear it on your off hand with the butt of the derringer pointing "down" towards your hand - which would mean that the muzzle is aimed at the inside of your elbow?
An accidental discharge would blow your arm off at the elbow. Kinda scary don't you think?
|
12-08-2013, 01:55 AM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: N/W Florida
Posts: 5,669
Likes: 2,435
Liked 6,219 Times in 2,426 Posts
|
|
I'd think it was worn on the outside of the wrist, not the inside. If it was on the inside of the wrist (where it would have to be to be pointing at the elbow) to draw it I would need to put all four of my fingers in between the grip and my wrist. With it on the back of my wrist, I just go up my sleeve, catch the grip with my fingers and pull it out. If it were to go off in that position, it would blow a hole in my coat sleeve, but not in my arm.
__________________
I always take precautions
|
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
|
|
12-08-2013, 01:55 AM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Sierra Nevada foothills
Posts: 5,897
Likes: 4
Liked 4,426 Times in 1,701 Posts
|
|
Yeah, the safety on those old Remington's were the half cocked hammer. Not too trustworthy. And the one I had years ago had a cracked hinge.
|
12-08-2013, 02:00 AM
|
|
US Veteran
|
|
|
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Bartlett, Tennessee
Posts: 7,622
Likes: 2,935
Liked 18,705 Times in 4,791 Posts
|
|
All you need now is a deck of cards.
|
12-08-2013, 02:05 AM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Pennsylvania
Posts: 553
Likes: 526
Liked 330 Times in 184 Posts
|
|
Gun looks like it in good shape also. Very cool rig. Nice score.
__________________
A republic if you can keep it
|
12-08-2013, 02:05 AM
|
US Veteran Absent Comrade
|
|
|
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Texas
Posts: 20,361
Likes: 24,260
Liked 16,154 Times in 7,408 Posts
|
|
I've read that those things tend to land on the hammer if dropped, and a discharge is likely.
Rex Applegate fired one into a phone pole. The bullet didn't even enter the pole fully.
|
12-08-2013, 02:07 AM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Pennsylvania
Posts: 553
Likes: 526
Liked 330 Times in 184 Posts
|
|
A guy on pafoa has ammo for that for sale. 6 boxes he wants like $135 a box iirc.
__________________
A republic if you can keep it
|
12-08-2013, 02:19 AM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: N/W Florida
Posts: 5,669
Likes: 2,435
Liked 6,219 Times in 2,426 Posts
|
|
That's probably that Navy Arms stuff, from many years back. I've heard it was loaded much too hot for the Remington.
Dixie Gun Works sells reloadable brass. You prime it with a 22 acorn blank. Charge with black powder and put a 40 caliber round ball in it.
Dixie Gun Works muzzleloading, blackpowder and rare antique gun supplies.
__________________
I always take precautions
|
12-08-2013, 05:57 AM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Spokane, WA
Posts: 13,525
Likes: 1,184
Liked 18,475 Times in 7,311 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpo
I'd think it was worn on the outside of the wrist, not the inside. If it was on the inside of the wrist (where it would have to be to be pointing at the elbow) to draw it I would need to put all four of my fingers in between the grip and my wrist. With it on the back of my wrist, I just go up my sleeve, catch the grip with my fingers and pull it out. If it were to go off in that position, it would blow a hole in my coat sleeve, but not in my arm.
|
That would be the smarter way to wear it in terms of personal safety. But in terms of keeping it protected and hidden, I think inside the wrist would better.
The draw would be about the same. If you imagine sliding your left arm under it the way it is laying in the top picture and buckling the straps on the outside of your arm the butt would be pointing down and forward when your arm hangs at your side with your palm against your thigh.
To draw you would make a motion like you were going to cross your arms with your palms facing each other with your right arm closer to your body and left forearm facing forward. Right hand goes up your sleeve and VOILA' your hand falls naturally around the grips.
That seems easier to me than tucking your left hand in and reaching around the outside of your left wrist to get your right hand up your sleeve to draw it, even though that would probably be safer. It just seems more awkward to me.
Last edited by BC38; 12-08-2013 at 11:49 PM.
|
12-08-2013, 07:44 AM
|
|
Moderator
|
|
|
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Great Lakes State
Posts: 29,959
Likes: 12,837
Liked 34,138 Times in 8,026 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by -db-
I'd have to do a search but I know S. D. Myres made one like that, or similar, that was worn above the wrist.
|
I think -db- nailed it! Check out this S. D. Myres catalog that sold on ebay a while back.
1934 s D Myres Saddle Co Catalog El Paso Texas | eBay
__________________
"I also cook."
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
12-08-2013, 08:46 AM
|
Absent Comrade
|
|
|
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Virginia Beach, VA
Posts: 659
Likes: 157
Liked 3,729 Times in 429 Posts
|
|
WTG db! I knew you folks would have the info.
I won't shoot the little Remington. Mine, like virtually everyone ever made, has a cracked hinge. Other than dropping it, which was a consideration with most early handguns, I think it would have been safe to carry. It has a heavy spring making it a chore to cock and I doubt if the anemic .41 Short Rimfire could hurt a mean squirrel. The cartridge used 13 grains of Black Powder and the130 grain bullet left the 3" barrel at 425 fps. carrying 52 foot pounds of energy.
|
12-08-2013, 11:29 AM
|
|
Moderator
|
|
|
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Miami,Fl
Posts: 3,841
Likes: 11,221
Liked 18,135 Times in 2,529 Posts
|
|
Those older wrist holsters are highly prized and yours is a nice example. Myres was probably the most well known maker but other saddlers made them as well. Here's a modern version, about 20 years old, made by a Texas maker.
Thanks for posting this-that's a rare and desirable rig.
Regards,
turnerriver
__________________
turnerriver
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
12-08-2013, 02:08 PM
|
US Veteran
|
|
|
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: central, north carolina
Posts: 130
Likes: 50
Liked 181 Times in 67 Posts
|
|
41 rimfire
Quote:
Originally Posted by RBscrim
WTG db! I knew you folks would have the info.
I won't shoot the little Remington. Mine, like virtually everyone ever made, has a cracked hinge. Other than dropping it, which was a consideration with most early handguns, I think it would have been safe to carry. It has a heavy spring making it a chore to cock and I doubt if the anemic .41 Short Rimfire could hurt a mean squirrel. The cartridge used 13 grains of Black Powder and the130 grain bullet left the 3" barrel at 425 fps. carrying 52 foot pounds of energy.
|
my grandfather was shot pointblank, in the chest with one. the bullet stopped in the fold of his check book in his shirt pocket. the second barrel didn't fire, but a 7.5" SAA across the head did send the shooter to the hospital. (1922) jim
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
12-08-2013, 11:36 PM
|
|
US Veteran Absent Comrade
|
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Texas
Posts: 7,580
Likes: 13,500
Liked 6,743 Times in 2,526 Posts
|
|
[QUOTE=BC38;137581113]. Right hand goes up your sleeve and VIOLA' your hand falls naturally around the grips.
QUOTE]
Viola is a musical instrument, sorta like a fiddle. the French expression you're looking for is 'voila'.
|
12-08-2013, 11:48 PM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Spokane, WA
Posts: 13,525
Likes: 1,184
Liked 18,475 Times in 7,311 Posts
|
|
[QUOTE=Cyrano;137582977]
Quote:
Originally Posted by BC38
. Right hand goes up your sleeve and VIOLA' your hand falls naturally around the grips.
QUOTE]
Viola is a musical instrument, sorta like a fiddle. the French expression you're looking for is 'voila'.
|
Fat fingered that one. The i-o combo is typed so much more frequently than o-i that my fingers hit the keys in that order automatically.
Fixed - thanks...
|
12-09-2013, 01:26 AM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: N/W Florida
Posts: 5,669
Likes: 2,435
Liked 6,219 Times in 2,426 Posts
|
|
[QUOTE=Cyrano;137582977]
Quote:
Originally Posted by BC38
. Right hand goes up your sleeve and VIOLA' your hand falls naturally around the grips.
QUOTE]
Viola is a musical instrument, sorta like a fiddle. the French expression you're looking for is 'voila'.
|
That's howcome I always say, "...and wallah (which is French for "looky there what I done")..."
__________________
I always take precautions
|
|
Posting Rules
|
|
|
|
|