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Old 12-07-2013, 11:18 PM
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I've always wanted a Remington .41 O/U Derringer. I bought this today mainly because it had this cool sleeve holder. There are no markings on the rig. Anyone seen anything like this before?
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Old 12-07-2013, 11:29 PM
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I dont know the maker but it is pretty darn nice! Here is one I used to have. From what I have read getting one without a cracked hinge is the main thing to look for.

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I'd have to do a search but I know S. D. Myres made one like that, or similar, that was worn above the wrist.
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Old 12-07-2013, 11:42 PM
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That thing looks like it could be as dangerous to the shooter as the shootee.
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I'm unable to find a photo of the Myres setup but if turnerriver sees this thread, he'll likely have some info.
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I've always wanted a Remington .41 O/U Derringer. I bought this today mainly because it had this cool sleeve holder. There are no markings on the rig. Anyone seen anything like this before?
Cool looking rig, but judging by the length of the straps, it appears that you wear it on your off hand with the butt of the derringer pointing "down" towards your hand - which would mean that the muzzle is aimed at the inside of your elbow?

An accidental discharge would blow your arm off at the elbow. Kinda scary don't you think?
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Old 12-08-2013, 01:55 AM
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I'd think it was worn on the outside of the wrist, not the inside. If it was on the inside of the wrist (where it would have to be to be pointing at the elbow) to draw it I would need to put all four of my fingers in between the grip and my wrist. With it on the back of my wrist, I just go up my sleeve, catch the grip with my fingers and pull it out. If it were to go off in that position, it would blow a hole in my coat sleeve, but not in my arm.
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Yeah, the safety on those old Remington's were the half cocked hammer. Not too trustworthy. And the one I had years ago had a cracked hinge.
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Gun looks like it in good shape also. Very cool rig. Nice score.
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I've read that those things tend to land on the hammer if dropped, and a discharge is likely.

Rex Applegate fired one into a phone pole. The bullet didn't even enter the pole fully.
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Old 12-08-2013, 02:07 AM
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A guy on pafoa has ammo for that for sale. 6 boxes he wants like $135 a box iirc.
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Old 12-08-2013, 02:19 AM
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That's probably that Navy Arms stuff, from many years back. I've heard it was loaded much too hot for the Remington.

Dixie Gun Works sells reloadable brass. You prime it with a 22 acorn blank. Charge with black powder and put a 40 caliber round ball in it.

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I'd think it was worn on the outside of the wrist, not the inside. If it was on the inside of the wrist (where it would have to be to be pointing at the elbow) to draw it I would need to put all four of my fingers in between the grip and my wrist. With it on the back of my wrist, I just go up my sleeve, catch the grip with my fingers and pull it out. If it were to go off in that position, it would blow a hole in my coat sleeve, but not in my arm.
That would be the smarter way to wear it in terms of personal safety. But in terms of keeping it protected and hidden, I think inside the wrist would better.
The draw would be about the same. If you imagine sliding your left arm under it the way it is laying in the top picture and buckling the straps on the outside of your arm the butt would be pointing down and forward when your arm hangs at your side with your palm against your thigh.
To draw you would make a motion like you were going to cross your arms with your palms facing each other with your right arm closer to your body and left forearm facing forward. Right hand goes up your sleeve and VOILA' your hand falls naturally around the grips.
That seems easier to me than tucking your left hand in and reaching around the outside of your left wrist to get your right hand up your sleeve to draw it, even though that would probably be safer. It just seems more awkward to me.

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I'd have to do a search but I know S. D. Myres made one like that, or similar, that was worn above the wrist.
I think -db- nailed it! Check out this S. D. Myres catalog that sold on ebay a while back.

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WTG db! I knew you folks would have the info.
I won't shoot the little Remington. Mine, like virtually everyone ever made, has a cracked hinge. Other than dropping it, which was a consideration with most early handguns, I think it would have been safe to carry. It has a heavy spring making it a chore to cock and I doubt if the anemic .41 Short Rimfire could hurt a mean squirrel. The cartridge used 13 grains of Black Powder and the130 grain bullet left the 3" barrel at 425 fps. carrying 52 foot pounds of energy.
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Those older wrist holsters are highly prized and yours is a nice example. Myres was probably the most well known maker but other saddlers made them as well. Here's a modern version, about 20 years old, made by a Texas maker.
Thanks for posting this-that's a rare and desirable rig.
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I won't shoot the little Remington. Mine, like virtually everyone ever made, has a cracked hinge. Other than dropping it, which was a consideration with most early handguns, I think it would have been safe to carry. It has a heavy spring making it a chore to cock and I doubt if the anemic .41 Short Rimfire could hurt a mean squirrel. The cartridge used 13 grains of Black Powder and the130 grain bullet left the 3" barrel at 425 fps. carrying 52 foot pounds of energy.
my grandfather was shot pointblank, in the chest with one. the bullet stopped in the fold of his check book in his shirt pocket. the second barrel didn't fire, but a 7.5" SAA across the head did send the shooter to the hospital. (1922) jim
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[QUOTE=BC38;137581113]. Right hand goes up your sleeve and VIOLA' your hand falls naturally around the grips.
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Viola is a musical instrument, sorta like a fiddle. the French expression you're looking for is 'voila'.
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. Right hand goes up your sleeve and VIOLA' your hand falls naturally around the grips.
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Viola is a musical instrument, sorta like a fiddle. the French expression you're looking for is 'voila'.
Fat fingered that one. The i-o combo is typed so much more frequently than o-i that my fingers hit the keys in that order automatically.

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. Right hand goes up your sleeve and VIOLA' your hand falls naturally around the grips.
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Viola is a musical instrument, sorta like a fiddle. the French expression you're looking for is 'voila'.
That's howcome I always say, "...and wallah (which is French for "looky there what I done")..."

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