Robert E. Lee vs the US Army War College

[ChuckS1]

Once again, political correctness run amuck. The US Army War College is considering removing portraits of Robert E. Lee, Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson, and other Confederate officers because they fought against the United States. Lee, in particular, rankles since not only was he offered command of the US Army by General Winfield Scott before Virginia seceded, but that Lee had also been Commandant of the Military Academy. Not to mention that Arlington Cemetery is on his wife's property, since the US Government thought it would be fitting to bury Union soldiers on the property owned, in part, by the Commander of the Army of Northern Virginia.

One of the missions of the War College is to teach the lessons of military history, including those imparted to us by our enemies. Lee and Jackson both had obviously mastered the art of war at the time, given the success of the Army of Northern Virginia early in the war and aided by the sorry state of the Union Army's leadership. So whose leadership would you rather have our senior officers learn about? Lee and Jackson or McClellan and Burnside?

I wont even get into the source of the US Army's armored doctrine for the Cold War and DESERT STORM, other than it's owed directly to the Wermacht doctrine written by Field Marshall Heinz Guderian and perfected by Field Marshall Erwin Rommel.

So, carrying the logic forward, I guess the Army is going to have to rename the posts named for Confederate officers. So here's the list of US Army posts named after CSA officers:

Fort Hood, TX (General John Bell Hood)
Fort Benning, GA (Brigadier General Henry L. Benning)
Fort Gordon, GA (General John Brown Gordon)
Fort Polk, LA (General Leonidas Polk)
Fort Lee, VA (General Robert E. Lee)
Fort Bragg, NC (General Braxton Bragg)
Fort Pickett, VA (Brigadier General George Pickett)
Fort A. P Hill, VA (Major General A. P. Hill)
Fort Rucker, AL (Colonel Edmund Rucker)
Camp Beauregard, LA (General Pierre Beauregard)

Sorry for the rant. Just irritates me to no end that the Army, as apolitical as it's supposed to be, turns out to be one of the most political of all.

[redneckemt]

Source? NVM http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/12/18...cmp=latestnews

And Rommel s tactics were learnedly from studying the tactics of Nathan Bedford Forrest.



Oh and they can rename Fort Bragg. Name it after Ol Joe. General Joe Johnston or Stonewall.... Braxton Bragg was an idiot (side note Hood was a Butcher)

[J. R. WEEMS]

Wonder what the cost will be to taxpayers to rename all of them??? Or the highways for that matter as well?? Lee HWY will one day be call the OB road?? There was a girl who's parents moved to NE,, the story goes they had to do a paper on someone they admired. She did hers on John S Mosby -- the teacher told her there was not, or never had been such a person.

[Alpo]

I read it wasn't "fitting" to bury their dead there.

It was the biggest insult they could think of - burying enemy soldiers in Lee's front yard.

[the ringo kid]

Originally Posted by ChuckS1

Once again, political correctness run amuck. The US Army War College is considering removing portraits of Robert E. Lee, Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson, and other Confederate officers because they fought against the United States. Lee, in particular, rankles since not only was he offered command of the US Army by General Winfield Scott before Virginia seceded, but that Lee had also been Commandant of the Military Academy. Not to mention that Arlington Cemetery is on his wife's property, since the US Government thought it would be fitting to bury Union soldiers on the property owned, in part, by the Commander of the Army of Northern Virginia.

One of the missions of the War College is to teach the lessons of military history, including those imparted to us by our enemies. Lee and Jackson both had obviously mastered the art of war at the time, given the success of the Army of Northern Virginia early in the war and aided by the sorry state of the Union Army's leadership. So whose leadership would you rather have our senior officers learn about? Lee and Jackson or McClellan and Burnside?

I wont even get into the source of the US Army's armored doctrine for the Cold War and DESERT STORM, other than it's owed directly to the Wermacht doctrine written by Field Marshall Heinz Guderian and perfected by Field Marshall Erwin Rommel.

So, carrying the logic forward, I guess the Army is going to have to rename the posts named for Confederate officers. So here's the list of US Army posts named after CSA officers:

Fort Hood, TX (General John Bell Hood)
Fort Benning, GA (Brigadier General Henry L. Benning)
Fort Gordon, GA (General John Brown Gordon)
Fort Polk, LA (General Leonidas Polk)
Fort Lee, VA (General Robert E. Lee)
Fort Bragg, NC (General Braxton Bragg)
Fort Pickett, VA (Brigadier General George Pickett)
Fort A. P Hill, VA (Major General A. P. Hill)
Fort Rucker, AL (Colonel Edmund Rucker)
Camp Beauregard, LA (General Pierre Beauregard)

Sorry for the rant. Just irritates me to no end that the Army, as apolitical as it's supposed to be, turns out to be one of the most political of all.

Add to this that they are changing the name of a High School located in Florida-from Nathan Bedford Forrest to something else.

General. Forrest gave a lengthy speech at an event he was invited to as Guest of Honor. I forget what that group was called back then? but today, they are known as the NAACP. At that event, he was given a standing ovation, presented flowers and the lady who gave those flowers, he kissed her on her cheek. That lady had formerly been enslaved.

PC has GOT to stop!

[millisec]

I read the article... they could not even name the source of the complaint. Just more liberal hacktivists trying to rewrite history. Jackson of course died during the war but Lee swore his allegiance to the US and the constitution after the war. Same thing going on here in FL trying to remove Nathan Bedford Forrest from a high school in Jacksonville because "it's mostly blacks now". Forrest was a brilliant confederate general and they are now making all sorts of ludicrous claims like "he was the founder of the KKK". Just all part of the bigger picture looming as we barrel down the path of losing our freedom, culture, religion, customs and ultimately country.

[the ringo kid]

Originally Posted by J. R. WEEMS

Wonder what the cost will be to taxpayers to rename all of them??? Or the highways for that matter as well?? Lee HWY will one day be call the OB road?? There was a girl who's parents moved to NE,, the story goes they had to do a paper on someone they admired. She did hers on John S Mosby -- the teacher told her there was not, or never had been such a person.

Anjd to think she is what we have as educators these days. Too bad that Mosby's Raiders couldnt somehow appear in her classroom? The one she should worry about is William Clark Quantrill.

[johngalt]

Interesting. I guess they don't figure the skills of generals that kicked the rear ends of all the northern generals all over the south are worth teaching?

[therevjay]

Originally Posted by redneckemt

Source? NVM US Army War College considers removing prints depicting Robert E. Lee, Confederate generals | Fox News

And Rommel s tactics were learnedly from studying the tactics of Nathan Bedford Forrest.



Oh and they can rename Fort Bragg. Name it after Ol Joe. General Joe Johnston or Stonewall.... Braxton Bragg was an idiot (side note Hood was a Butcher)

I've read that Gen. Lee wrote Jefferson Davis and said in his opinion (Lee's) that if Davis insisted on appointing Bragg C.O. of Confederate forces west of the Mississippi they should simply surrender at once, and avoid further loss of life on both sides. Since the end result would be the same anyway.

[Kinman]

Being raised the way I was and learning about the Civil War with the understanding that I lost my ggg grandfather at Chicamauga and that my gg grandfather fought during the same battle under his father. My family fought on the North side and I still consider Robert E. Lee the greatest general this country has ever produced. His family suffered enough with the loss of the Custis family property and all other recognition he should have been awarded. For him it was all about his alliegance to Virginia, I could not find fault in that. My ggg grandfather served with Lincoln during the Blackhawk Indian Wars and later fought during the Mexican War subsiquently was awarded a Lt. Colonel rank during the Civil War, he was shot off his horse rallying his troops on Snodgrass Hill by a rebel sharpshooter, I hold no ill feelings for the man that pulled the trigger because he was fighting for a cause that he believed in as much as my grandfather did his. Men on both sides fought and died gallantly believing in what they did for the reasons they did, the same for General Lee and his subordinates. It was a different time and should be looked at from a different view from today.

[S&W45Colt]

In a mirror image of today, the whole event could have been averted had both sides been willing to avoid the propaganda, greed, power grabs and been reasonable. But politicians never change, they should be forced to be on the front lines of the war's they create.

Regardless of what the War College does, Lee is on every list of the World's greatest Generals I've ever seen. Stonewall was his right arm.

My family served under both men, they are regarded as great men in my family.

[moosedog]

The left couldn't get anywhere if we didn't keep giving in to them.

[sheepdawg]

There are some elected officals in Memphis that want to dig up old Nathan and his wife and move their graves to a less obvious place. He's buried in a large park in downtown Memphis. Used to be called Forrest Park but that got changed a few years ago. Wouldn't want to offend anyone. Maybe they should read up on his funeral and just who showed up for it. By the time he had died he was respected by both blacks and whites but you'll never hear about it today.




Forrest hated Bragg. After the victory at Chickamauga, Forrest wanted to retake Chattanooga. Bragg would have no part of it. Forrest openly questioned Bragg's manhhood asking "What does he fight battles for?" During a later confrontation Forrest threatened to kill Bragg. Forrest was promptly transferred to North Mississippi.

[jgh4445]

They left out the part where General Lee fought for the US in the Mexican War and eventually re took a loyalty oath to the United States after the War. He worked hard to re unite the country and served as Chancellor of Washington Lee University. Gonna rename that too?

[the ringo kid]

Originally Posted by jgh4445

They left out the part where General Lee fought for the US in the Mexican War and eventually re took a loyalty oath to the United States after the War. He worked hard to re unite the country and served as Chancellor of Washington Lee University. Gonna rename that too?

They left that part out intentionally. Im currently hoping to find a good online place where I can order me another Battle Flag. One made in cloth with brass grommets.

Certain so-called Reverends, want to make it where I cant honor MY ancestors. We had several who served under Southern Arms and one under Union Arms. Im NOT, going to stop what I feel towards my ancestors and Southerners in general even if it becomes against the laws of the future to do so.

[LVSteve]

To many history represents the ultimate insult to their beliefs and sense of control. They will do anything to obscure history that does not suit them.

[BruceHMX]

Pull up Nathan Bedford Forrest III. First general officer killed in WW2. Nathan's great grandson. A true hero and honorable man who died flying and getting the his men out of the aircraft. Why not put a III after the Forrest name on the high school. Have a little service, hang a photo of him in the hall and be done with it!!!!

[explorer13421]

If my memory is correct, President Johnson issued a pardon in 1868 to all who had fought for or supported the Confederacy. If that is correct, then Lee's service for the Confederacy should be irrelevant.

[1morethan8]

"..She did hers on John S Mosby -- the teacher told her there was not, or never had been such a person."
That's because he was the "Gray Ghost"!

I'm still mad about them changing the Georgia flag!

[the ringo kid]

Originally Posted by BruceHMX

Pull up Nathan Bedford Forrest III. First general officer killed in WW2. Nathan's great grandson. A true hero and honorable man who died flying and getting the his men out of the aircraft. Why not put a III after the Forrest name on the high school. Have a little service, hang a photo of him in the hall and be done with it!!!!

Because that would mean they have an ounce common sense to begin with.

[Karnivore]

I am throughly nauseated by the current wave of ignoring history and rewriting it to suit the whims of a few. I live in Jacksonville, Fl, and yes the school board here voted to change the name of Nathan Bedford Forrest High School to either Westside HS or Firestone HS.

They completely ignored the wished of the community, alumni and faculty and voted to change the name on the vote of the students. Cost will be about 500k and the special interest groups who pledged to foot the bill have now crawfished and the school superintendent will pay out of the general fund. Since when do students vote to appropriate a 500k worth of spending?

The citizens of Jacksonville that I now think this is a travesty. Instead of rewriting General Forrest's history, they should find out the real truth and celebrate it. He was a great leader and general and for some to tell lies for their own gain is a black mark on history and our city

I wonder if next they will want to change the name of JACKSONville to something more suiting their warped wishes. I hope these school board members remember that are elected…and not by the students of Nathan Bedford Forrest High School.

[sheepdawg]

Originally Posted by Karnivore

I am throughly nauseated by the current wave of ignoring history and rewriting it to suit the whims of a few. I live in Jacksonville, Fl, and yes the school board here voted to change the name of Nathan Bedford High School to either Westside HS or Firestone HS.

I see a Westside H.S. a comin'. Firestone was a member of "The Millionaire's Club". They wouldn't name it after someone that made his through capitalism.

[John F.]

IIRC, Robert E. Lee was second in his class at West Point.

Know who was first in his class?


Don't feel bad, neither does anyone else. :-)

John

[the ringo kid]

Originally Posted by John F.

IIRC, Robert E. Lee was second in his class at West Point.

Know who was first in his class?


Don't feel bad, neither does anyone else. :-)

John

Sure wasnt U.S. Grant.

[Malpasowildlifer]

It is amazing how PC the military.

Things are a changing...quickly

[red14]

Originally Posted by Malpasowildlifer

It is amazing how PC the military.

Things are a changing...quickly

He said he wanted to fundamentally transform America.

[Chipmunk6]

IIRC, Bobby Lee was the only cadet to go through West Point
without a single demerit, and was quoted after the war when
asked, who was the south's best General? Lee replied "A man I
have never met, Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest"

Chipmunk6

[NCTexan]

I agree that the PC thing is totally out of control today. I hate PC thinking!

However there's an additional factor driving stories like the General Lee controversy.

Far too many folks (and especially the younger ones) only view the world from their own perspective and from this moment in time. They have no awareness nor understanding of other people, places, cultures, or times.

(This is part of the "It's all about me" and the latest "24 hour hot news story" world of today.)

There is no appreciation of the many factors that affected the individual brave men who served on both sides of the Civil War, the Revolutionary War, ... or almost any other war throughout history.

Sure there were bad people, bad actions, bad decisions, and bad motives in all of these events since the beginning of time.

However, we can not really judge these people or events sitting in our centrally heated homes, reading the internet news, waiting for our overnight shipment of goodies from Amazon.

Side note: One of the best insights into the great men on both sides and their thinking during the Civil War is "Killer Angels" by Michael Shaara.

[george minze]

Originally Posted by ChuckS1

Once again, political correctness run amuck. The US Army War College is considering removing portraits of Robert E. Lee, Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson, and other Confederate officers because they fought against the United States. Lee, in particular, rankles since not only was he offered command of the US Army by General Winfield Scott before Virginia seceded, but that Lee had also been Commandant of the Military Academy. Not to mention that Arlington Cemetery is on his wife's property, since the US Government thought it would be fitting to bury Union soldiers on the property owned, in part, by the Commander of the Army of Northern Virginia.

One of the missions of the War College is to teach the lessons of military history, including those imparted to us by our enemies. Lee and Jackson both had obviously mastered the art of war at the time, given the success of the Army of Northern Virginia early in the war and aided by the sorry state of the Union Army's leadership. So whose leadership would you rather have our senior officers learn about? Lee and Jackson or McClellan and Burnside?

I wont even get into the source of the US Army's armored doctrine for the Cold War and DESERT STORM, other than it's owed directly to the Wermacht doctrine written by Field Marshall Heinz Guderian and perfected by Field Marshall Erwin Rommel.

So, carrying the logic forward, I guess the Army is going to have to rename the posts named for Confederate officers. So here's the list of US Army posts named after CSA officers:

Fort Hood, TX (General John Bell Hood)
Fort Benning, GA (Brigadier General Henry L. Benning)
Fort Gordon, GA (General John Brown Gordon)
Fort Polk, LA (General Leonidas Polk)
Fort Lee, VA (General Robert E. Lee)
Fort Bragg, NC (General Braxton Bragg)
Fort Pickett, VA (Brigadier General George Pickett)
Fort A. P Hill, VA (Major General A. P. Hill)
Fort Rucker, AL (Colonel Edmund Rucker)
Camp Beauregard, LA (General Pierre Beauregard)

Sorry for the rant. Just irritates me to no end that the Army, as apolitical as it's supposed to be, turns out to be one of the most political of all.

Give McClellen a break he did design a great (for the horse) Calvary saddle used until the mounted troops were discontinued at the beginning of WW2

[J. R. WEEMS]

Originally Posted by 1morethan8

"..She did hers on John S Mosby -- the teacher told her there was not, or never had been such a person."
That's because he was the "Gray Ghost"!

I'm still mad about them changing the Georgia flag!

A old friend of mine grew up around Herndon Virginia, in the day he always told me there were some really old guys around town who knew 'THE GHOST', true? I cannot say, I do know that this is one of my favorite photos from my "VIRGINIA BY-WAY" album.

[jgh4445]

Why is it not OK to fly that flag but it is OK to fly a flag representing a whole nuther continent? Ever feel like someone is about to step on your last nerve?

[TheYoungblood]

Sigh. People forget the intent or basis of the recognition for Lee.

This situation is like people speaking about religion and morals when they cannot even grasp why they use a certain version of bible. Let alone how the the text was selected along with realizing who inserted the text. People think too much along a specific track of thinking they cannot grasp the total discussion.

I meet people every day that have such a narrow view or understanding of life it is a waste of time to even recommend they get some reading material to learn from.

[the ringo kid]

Originally Posted by jgh4445

Why is it not OK to fly that flag but it is OK to fly a flag representing a whole nuther continent? Ever feel like someone is about to step on your last nerve?

My nerves are screaming now. I think ill make a special trip to a tiny and mostly forgotten local cemetery where three Confederate vets and a Spanish-American War vet--are buried.

[wbraswell]

The PCers want you to believe that the Civil War was fought just for slavery. They would have you believe that Confederate soldiers were fighting for slavery and white supremacy, and that all their symbols stand for that, and that the Union was fighting for abolition, and their soldiers were all bastions of civil rights and equality. All of which is just bull. I, too cannot understand why anything is named after Hood.
Most know of the six flags over Texas. At the time of the War, many Texans had lived under four of them, so there wasn't the deep ingrained love and admiration of the U.S. back then, that we have today. People were loyal to the ground beneath their feet, rather than an ideal.

[jag312]

Originally Posted by Karnivore

I wonder if next they will want to change the name of JACKSONville to something more suiting their warped wishes.

Just say that Jacksonville is named after Michael Jackson.

[BLACKHAWKNJ]

Field Marshal Montgomery kept pictures of his opponents in his trailer so he could remember who he was fighting, get inside their minds. Vietnam went as badly as it did because there was little effort made to understand the enemy, his motivations, his tactics, etc. In 1898 when that Spanish American War was declared President Mckinley-a Union Army veteran-appointed several ex-Confederate generals-Wheeler, Fitzhugh Lee, et al. to high positions to show the divisions cause by the Civil War had ended.
We seem to be where the Soviet Union was under Stalin then Khruschev-when someone falls out of favor all trace of them is to be erased. As Orwell said, they become unpersons.
Watch-next they'll put up pictures of Ernst Roehm as a gay rights martyr.

[Steve in Vermont]

I have direct descendants who were killed during the war, one being buried at Gettysburg. I also have met people, from the south, who could say the same thing. Both my relatives and theirs fought, and died, for something they believed in. In another place these soldiers would have been friends. Why some people can't let this go is beyond me. Let's respect and honor ALL these men and let them rest in peace.

[ChuckS1]

Originally Posted by george minze

Give McClellen a break he did design a great (for the horse) Calvary saddle used until the mounted troops were discontinued at the beginning of WW2

I'll grant you that one. And let's not forget Union Major General Joe Hooker, whose greatest accomplishment seems to have been lending his name as a synonym for "prostitute".

[BC38]

Originally Posted by wbraswell

The PCers want you to believe that the Civil War was fought just for slavery. They would have you believe that Confederate soldiers were fighting for slavery and white supremacy, and that all their symbols stand for that, and that the Union was fighting for abolition, and their soldiers were all bastions of civil rights and equality. All of which is just bull. I, too cannot understand why anything is named after Hood.
Most know of the six flags over Texas. At the time of the War, many Texans had lived under four of them, so there wasn't the deep ingrained love and admiration of the U.S. back then, that we have today. People were loyal to the ground beneath their feet, rather than an ideal.

Absolutely! While FEDERAL abolition of slavery became the issue that ended up being the straw that broke the camel's back, the civil war was really about the fundamental question of whether a state's being a voluntary member of the union means that the state defers its sovereignty to the supposedly higher authority of the collective, or does it retain complete sovereignty - including the right to renounce its membership in that union. I learned this in grade school. When I asked my high school freshman son, what the civil war was about, his answer was... you guessed it... SLAVERY! I had to spend some time teaching him the facts - because the schools won't. This is only one of MANY examples of inaccurate things he's been taught in our liberal public school system that I've had to do some remedial work with him to teach him the REAL facts.

Originally Posted by jag312

Just say that Jacksonville is named after Michael Jackson.

Why not? They've already done it in King County WA. It was originally named for Vice President William Rufus de Vane King, who was in office when the Washington Territory was created. Below is a copy of the current King County Logo adopted in 1999 - when the local PC Politicians decided the slain civil rights activist was more worthy of the honor than a Vice President of the United States. While I venerate M.L. King, I don't feel that the PC revision of history is justified. We already have major streets, and parks, and who knows what all else named in his honor.

Sure am glad I moved all the way across the state from that bunch...

Originally Posted by Steve in Vermont

I have direct descendants who were killed during the war, one being buried at Gettysburg. I also have met people, from the south, who could say the same thing.

I would be one of those. I grew up spending summers on my grandfather's family farm in southern Missouri. As the civil war historians among you will recall, Missouri was one of those states that was severely divided - large portions of the population sided with the South, and just as many sided with the North. On my grandfather's farm is a family cemetery that contains soldier's graves from BOTH sides - and they were nearly all relatives and ancestors of mine.

[Harrison]

Originally Posted by therevjay

I've read that Gen. Lee wrote Jefferson Davis and said in his opinion (Lee's) that if Davis insisted on appointing Bragg C.O. of Confederate forces west of the Mississippi they should simply surrender at once, and avoid further loss of life on both sides. Since the end result would be the same anyway.

It's true. Gen. Bragg was the best friend the Yankee officers fighting the war in the west and southwest had. His own senior officers on several occasions tried to get him relieved. However, Gen. Bragg and President Jeff Davis were very good friends.

[Engieman]

I live here in Virginia, and are unfortunately bombarded via the media with the latest Washington news. My wife tells me to chill out and lower my blood pressure, but it is an absolute shame we continue to rewrite history and revise or twist history to suit the politically correct police, politicians or religious leaders. Our founders are doing flip-flops in their grave, maybe even Chubby Checkers Twist. Luckily, our taxpayer dollars are sufficient enough to support sending our first family on vacation in South Africa, send four US Presidents to Mandela's funeral (world leader, I guess....American, no), and even fly the US Flag at half staff in his honor. And let's not forget re-scuplting (after the fact) the MLK sculpture on the National Mall because certain groups were unhappy with his expression. How about flying the flag at half-staff for that Private, Airman or Seaman who dies far from home in the line of duty. How about honoring OUR country and all it's history and history makers.....regardless whether it was Blue or Gray. Lee was one of the greatest leaders of all time.

[redneckemt]

Originally Posted by Engieman

I live here in Virginia, and are unfortunately bombarded via the media with the latest Washington news. My wife tells me to chill out and lower my blood pressure, but it is an absolute shame we continue to rewrite history and revise or twist history to suit the politically correct police, politicians or religious leaders. Our founders are doing flip-flops in their grave, maybe even Chubby Checkers Twist. Luckily, our taxpayer dollars are sufficient enough to support sending our first family on vacation in South Africa, send four US Presidents to Mandela's funeral (world leader, I guess....American, no), and even fly the US Flag at half staff in his honor. And let's not forget re-scuplting (after the fact) the MLK sculpture on the National Mall because certain groups were unhappy with his expression. How about flying the flag at half-staff for that Private, Airman or Seaman who dies far from home in the line of duty. How about honoring OUR country and all it's history and history makers.....regardless whether it was Blue or Gray. Lee was one of the greatest leaders of all time.

What did we do for Baroness Thacher? Even the Russians paid their respects to her.

[PA Reb]

I'm with everyone that has posted a comment so far in this thread and I believe my avatar shows exactly how I feel. The only comment I will make beyond what has already been said is this:

"Civil War" goal defined - "The aim of one side may be to take control of the country or a region, to achieve independence for a region, or to change government policies." In the case of the U.S. Civil War or more appropriately termed the War for Southern Independence, was a war fought by the seceding states of the south to win their independence from those that were in the north and sided with the federal government's views. At the time and from the very start, the U.S. Constitution allowed states that wanted to leave the Union the right to do so. The slavery issue (which would have eventually ended on its own) was nothing more than a successful attempt by the tyrant Lincoln and his cronies to shift the Union's tide of defeat after defeat. Current attempts to squash true history such as the OP posted are nothing more than a continuation of the views that began before, during and especially, after the war. The victory that the north eventually achieved had nothing to do with them having better leaders than the south. Speaking purely in military tactical terms, southern leaders such as Lee, Jackson, Longstreet, Forrest, Pickett and many others were and still are at the top of this nation's best. Oh, and by the way, Meade sure got lucky at Gettysburg!

[kwselke]

Originally Posted by explorer13421

If my memory is correct, President Johnson issued a pardon in 1868 to all who had fought for or supported the Confederacy. If that is correct, then Lee's service for the Confederacy should be irrelevant.

Andrew Johnson's pardon included a long list of people that were excluded. Officers in the CA above the rank of Colonel and CN officers above the rank of Lieutenant as well as any officer who resigned a commission with the Union military to fight with the Confederacy were among those excluded. The list of exclusions is quite long.

[John F.]

"Watch-next they'll put up pictures of Ernst Roehm as a gay rights martyr."

Genius! I'm kind of surprised they haven't already! Heck, he was even a national SOCIALIST!! :-)

John

[kimporter]

Originally Posted by John F.

"Watch-next they'll put up pictures of Ernst Roehm as a gay rights martyr."

Genius! I'm kind of surprised they haven't already! Heck, he was even a national SOCIALIST!! :-)

John

or maybe big hermann himself