Most fasteners you buy at Lowes, Home Depot, etc. are junk. Some smaller mom and pop hardware stores may still carry quality fasteners but you get what you pay for.

Hmmmmm-- I see this being closed before long--

They don't make things like they used to, no matter what brand. Things aren't made for longevity but for disposal. It's all about making money.........

It's always been about money, that's called capitalism.

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Anything electrical from Harbor Freight.
Those late 1800 to early 1900 top break small caliber revolvers without the cylinder stops.

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Term limits!

Hate to break the sad but true to some of you folks but ALL (yes, all) companies crank out lemons (some more than others).

I've owned piss poor Danner boots ($300+) that lasted 6 months and a a Taurus 85 snub (circa 1988) with 2,000+ rounds through it and still tighter than any J-frame I own.

What does this prove? Nothing; just like 99% of the replies to this thread.

Wal-Mart=****
Made in China=**** (except my SKS, which is a great rifle)
Taurus=never owned one but they have lifetime warranties that are transferable.
Generally speaking, no matter the brand, you'll always find a lemon somewhere in the pile.
Conversely, every "cheap" Emerson or Magnavox TV I've ever owned has never failed. I have a 19-inch Mag in my man cave that's 14 years old and I've never had to adjust it for anything. Still works great.

Thanks, I've considered that purchase.

But then I hear they use recycled python innards from ones shot in the Florida everglades.

Kia's must suck. Why else would they offer the best warranties in the business? 5 years/60,000 bumper to bumper and 10 years/100,000 on the powertrain.

Wait. That made no sense. Maybe they are pretty good.

One mans junk is another mans treasure.

GE

I only ask for Lucas Electrical devices.

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i would have liked to have some of the clunkers we paid cash for

Depends on what you're talking about. In the 50s a car was likely to be pretty worn by the time it had 100k miles on it. Today it's common that a car looks, rides and runs like new at 100k miles and rarely need a "tune up" that was typically done every 5-10k miles in the past.

I remember going with dad to the Tube Testing machine at the grocery store more than once to figure out why the TV wasn't working. At some point the TV just wouldn't work right and be tossed. Today most TVs work perfectly for so long that they end up being given away to the kids when you want a bigger one.

How long did those vinyl albums keep playing like new compared to the abuse a CD can take and still play like new? A thumb drive compared to a cassette?

How about light bulbs of the past? When I was a kid it seemed like there was always a bulb needing replaced in the house. Incandescent bulbs improved a lot over the years, and now the new LEDs are rated for a zillion hours, require a small fraction of electricity to operate and are a lot more able to take abuse in flashlights and other devices.

Ever paint your home? Home exterior paint has vastly improved in longevity.

My parents had galvanized plumbing that soon required replacing. I think they would have been much happier if Plex had been around in the 60s.... and it don't break when water freezes.

Technology has improved the longevity of an endless list of products that a lot of people take for granted and have forgot about the short life JUNK of the past.

OK, riddle me this;

If a (truly) better thing costs more, would you buy it every time?

Why does wally world sell so much stuff?

Or, would you buy the cheaper thing, that does the job ok, to save money?

Isn't that why we're S&W fans - because, though some may have issues, it's consistently the best 'bang' for the buck?

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But then, what do I know?

The Prince of Darkness.

I don't care for Taurus I know some have had good luck with them,also High Point,Raven Jennings Etc. Most of My stuff is older American brands.I do have a older Rossi M 62 .22 pump that has been ok.


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Got me there lol... how's bout furniture? Can ya give me one?

But the product i feel was built better, even though the technology wasn't there. Things were solid and made to last as far as structure. Toys were metal, not cheap plastic, etc...

I own 3 s/w revolvers, 1 sig, and a 455 Taurus. My favorite gun at the range to play with is the Taurus, it's been flawless. My Harley was bought new in 98 and no leaks and not a single issue.

How about Levi's...In the old days they wore forever, darned near farmer proof. 14 ounce denim. Now light weight denim made Egypt...give me a break! Legs twist, Try to figure out the size......

Okay... So in the past a Chevy wasn't built better but a Tonka was. I'll give ya that. And the lead paint on the Tonka was tasty too.

I have a couple of Rossi single shots that I bought so I can shoot 22 mag in a long barrel after buying a heritage rough rider and a Rossi 22lr/20ga I got new dirt cheap. Thought It would make a good bug out gun or gift for a grandchild down the road.

Junk how about Thunderbolt 22lr ammo.

You had to have the magic formula to figure out the size that they would actually be when they shrunk after washing. And it would take a LOT of washes before you could wash them with other clothes. I had a lot of clothes with a light blue tint in those days.

Wasn't it great......That was half the fun....Girls wore them in the 50's and they would get in the tub with them on in hot water so they would shrink just right. You could always tell....blue leg special,,,,Made in America, the girls and the Levi's......

Harleys don't leak oil, they mark their spot.

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'Merica!

ain't that the truth!
I still have my Lucas pin:
Lion, spoked wheel and torch
Prince of darkness

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Levi's
I've actually tried on 6 (that's six) pairs that were all marked 34/30 to find 2 pairs that fit - The other 4 were too big or too small.
NoMoLevi's for me.....

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Walmart
Anything but snapon tools
Diesels

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you have your point of view ... and I have mine.
My point of view is a circuit board, populated by component parts, without having to justify anything to a board of bean counters telling me I need to cut corners.

Sunfire is as close to this utopia as I have found in recent times.

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Llama, steel so soft, it scratches with your fingernail.

Hi-Point, Jennings/Bryco, Davis, Rhorbaugh, Charter Arms, and there are more I just can't think of right now.

So I forgot Raven and, if we are going to go into electronics I'll have to say anything with Samsungs name on it or anything in the computer line with the name Apple (not necessarily the electronic part but the OS).

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Frigidaire
Moen
Made in China anything
Most everything Lowe's sells
New sweepers
Kia
Most Craftsman tools
Most pedal bikes (China)
Alot of replacement auto parts
Harbor Freight
I could go on forever

..... But, you don't have to ... the highlighted statement in the quote makes for an adequate catchall

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For firearms, I will speak from personal experience ...

WASR = Low end AK junk
Century Arms = Assembled by primates junk
Taurus = Declining QC junk
Charter Arms = I really want to buy from CA, but have seen too many clunkers junk
Remington = Ilion consolidation-inspired junk
Para Ordinance = Fool me once, shame on you junk
Hi Point = Names can be misleading junk
Glock = Ergonomically lacking plastic junk

The list goes on ...

Any company can produce a lemon, but ones that consistently put out inferior products or have higher than normal incidents of QC problems make my list for junk dealers.

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Landcruiser, not to be confused with Land Rover which equals high-end/$$$ junk.

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Speaking of Consumer Reports and circuit boards and reviews...

Over the years I really drug my feet buying a new washer and dryer. It wasn't until this week that I finally gave into the wife when our Kenmore washer was billowing smoke and set off the smoke alarm. There was no convincing the wife "I can fix it".

So anyway... wife wants the new ones with 300 buttons and a zillion lights... (What's up with that? Ain't it still just soap and water). After a couple days shopping and stinky clothes, she picks out an LG set that is rated at the top by CR. So I look around on the Net and find a thousand 5 Star reviews and another thousand 1 Star reviews of absolute frustration with the piece of junk. I got the 5 year bumper to bumper including lighting strikes and a three service call lemon clause warranty for a mere $260 Wish me luck.

ya know... it's not as complicated as it looks.

well the zillions of lights and buttons thing kinda applies to us too.
just about everything is overloaded beyond practical utility now adays

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None of that fancy stuff for me.

We just got a Speed Queen washer a few months ago. It replaced a Maytag that was only 6 1/2 years old.

No bells or whistles. No electronic, digital, timer, push-button, USB port, iPod capable, built-in flashlight, batteries not included, wave of the future.....
Just a regular old washing machine. Made in the USA with American steel, by American citizens. I am told that Speed Queen is what Maytag used to be.

So far, so good.

The Kenmore washer and dryer we just replaced was bought in 1998. I kept the dryer and will sell it. If I had my choice I would have bought an new but old style mechanical washer that was a return at the Sears Sevice Center for under $300 and just kept using our old dryer. But setting off the smoke alarm really gave the wife an edge with the argument (discussion) on replacement.

the elcheepoo product line.....................

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Based on what comes through the shop on a regular basis to be repaired under factory warranty (in any caliber):

Handguns:
Taurus, Bersa, and Walther (in that order)

Long Guns:
Remington

Worst .22LR pistols (based on repair frequency):
The Sig Sauer Mosquito, tied in a dead heat with the Walther P22.

Worst fit and finish
That's a dead heat between EAA and Heritage Arms. Hoo boy!

Waste Management hauls a lot of junk!

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How about u

Long time ago I worked with some security guys. We all had guns and would compare. Mine(forgive me) a Combat Commander others a Thompson 1911 with so many sharp corners it hurt just to hold the thing. Well one guy had a Rossi 38 with a vent rib and had carried it for a WHOLE YEAR on the job without firing it. They went shooting one day and the next time we were working they told me how this guys Rossi would not fire! I dont remember why but...Rossi gets my vote.

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Viet Nam 70-71

Talking circuitry, ECU, and all that jazz... I wish I could tell my Volvo story, but, quite literally, the jury is still out.

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Arctic Cat, Bushnell, BSA, Samsung, Primos, absolutely every 25acp made except Browning and Beretta, absolutely any seat that comes stock on any John Deere product.

Found out many years ago that RG didn't stand for "Real Good."
Ravens were low quality but my FFL friends sold them like hotcakes.
The only gun I've ever had that needed serious work was a Python that had a timing problem. Got it fixed and sold it ASAP. Never a problem from any other firearm, and I've owned some cheapies over the years.
I LOVE Walmart. I've got a close relative that's an exec with them. Kind of like the "family store."

Hey! I shot tens of thousands of squirrels, coons, possums, a deer or two, and those pesky tin cans with 22 thunderbolt out of a 510 Remington single shot. To each is own I guess. IMO colts are junk. I owned 3 colt revolvers and they all had timing issues.

dude .. he's only bad mouthing it so everyone passes it by in the hopes that SOME form of 22 ammo becomes available to him

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it just needs more voltage

AND, Levi Strauss company is rabidly Anti-Gun............
I burned all my Levi pants years ago!!

Bottom line: It's only junk if it happens to you!!

Well since we have started down this road......

Mine is PACT chronographs. Truly the piece of junk that I measure other pieces of junk by.