No Firearms sign at local Safeway

tlay said:
Try this also. A local theater had the same sign. I asked to speak to the manager and by my surprise he met with me. I too explained how myself and every other law abiding CCW members were not the ones breaking the laws but we might be the people saving his and others lives. He said it was not his policy but corporate. I told him to give corporate my message and that I would be doing business somewhere I felt more safe. I also told him I was going to write down his name and the date that we talked. I told him that if God forbid a shooting happened at his theater and there was no one to stop it, I would be there and tell the press and the victims that you knew of the consequences but you refused to change your policy. I told him I would urge the victims to sue and that I would be a witness.
He didn't know what to say. I left without him saying anything more. About a month later a friend asked about which theater we go to. I told him not to go to this one because of their policy. He called me a couple of days later and said he went there and did not see a sign. Curiosity got the best of me and I went down there. The sign was gone! God does work miracles.
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It would be quite magnanimous of you to request another chat with the manager (if the same one is still there!) & offer him thinks for having seen the light of reason. It would wrap up his education on the subject nicely.

I try to always be as willing to praise right thinking as I am to condemn wrong thinking. Positive reinforcement does work.
 
I don't believe the 2nd says "...the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed unless someone puts up a sign or your STLOC government says different". Here in Texas an official 30.06 sign must be posted, correctly, at every entrance. I pay no attention to these either. I will carry my arms, concealed on my person, in any state in the union...it's my constitutional right to do so.
 
Uncagrunny, I have not gone to another theater since, we don't go that often. When we do I will look him up and thank him. But I know he didn't do it because of change of heart, he did it for the loss of the buck!!
Some of you are right, we need to contact the manager, and owner at each of their stores and explain why we are going somewhere else. Money talks!!
 
It's a funny side effect of living in CA. Because of the general attitude, everyone here just assumes you aren't carrying. So, I have yet to see a place, other than the post office, that has a sign stating no guns.
 
Every time a post like this appears, I am amazed by the number of "Law abiding Citizens" that state that they pay no attention to the signs and carry anyway. In some states the signs do not have the weight of the law and in others they do. Anyone that ignores the signs in the states that give them the weight of the law, are proving what we have been saying all along. The signs do not keep out criminals and you just proved that by becoming one. If I were going to ignore the signs and break the law and carry in the store, I wouldn't have even bothered to get a CCW, I would have just broken another law and carried without a CCW.
 
Have long held the belief that if you choose to ignore the posting of a sign deeming the place to be a 'gun-free zone' and carry anyway, and actually become involved in an incident that has you saving your life, or that of your loved one(s) - your very LAST worry in the world will be the misdemeanor charge of carrying in a prohibited place.

And the REAL upside? You are actually ALIVE to perhaps have a court date.
 
3dots said:
I don't believe the 2nd says "...the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed unless someone puts up a sign or your STLOC government says different". Here in Texas an official 30.06 sign must be posted, correctly, at every entrance. I pay no attention to these either. I will carry my arms, concealed on my person, in any state in the union...it's my constitutional right to do so.
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You will carry anywhere, any time you please because it is your right to do so. What about the right of someone who owns or manages a business to decide what happens or doesn't happen in his/her place of business? Would you like it if someone came on your property and did something you didn't want them to do? To do what a property/business owner wants on his/her property is being polite. I was taught that Texans were always polite and respectful, I guess not these days.
 
Twiki357 said:
My guess is that it may be a “Store Manager” imposed policy, probably due to CA’s recent issuing of CCW’s in a lot of areas and the related publicity. I’ve been shopping at Safeway stores here in Arizona for well over 10 years and I’ve never encountered an anti-2A sign. Or it could be the result of the recent acquisition of Safeway by Albertsons, but I also have Albertsons here in AZ and no anti signs.
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I too live in Arizona and I'm a Safeway shopper as well. I often open carry in my local Safeway, S&W Model 4006, and rarely even draw a glance.
The real Pricks IMO are the Costco corporate weenies. I wrote them a letter in regard to the no gun policy and got the nastiest most hostile response you could imagine.
I would drop my membership but my wife won't go along with it.
 
I've stated many times, and will continue to, these signs boil down to respect. I will respect the business' right to (legal or not) post that sign and I will spend my money elsewhere. There are other places to buy stuff. To get respect you must give respect. To simple state arrogantly that you'll ignore any sign based on what you believe is your superior moral stance, is disrespectful.

Also, I find the OP's letter to demonstrate that respect. He took the time to hopefully enlighten the manger about how silly the sign is.
 
You posted this as I was typing my last post.

italiansport said:
The real Pricks IMO are the Costco corporate weenies.
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I've heard this before. I've also looked for any sign stating no guns at Costco and I don't see any here. It may be a company wide policy, but I have yet to see a sign alerting anyone to it.
 
Twiki357 said:
My guess is that it may be a “Store Manager” imposed policy, probably due to CA’s recent issuing of CCW’s in a lot of areas and the related publicity. I’ve been shopping at Safeway stores here in Arizona for well over 10 years and I’ve never encountered an anti-2A sign. Or it could be the result of the recent acquisition of Safeway by Albertsons, but I also have Albertsons here in AZ and no anti signs.
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I too live in Arizona and I'm a Safeway shopper as well. I often open carry in my local Safeway, S&W Model 4006, and rarely even draw a glance.
The real Pricks IMO are the Costco corporate weenies. I wrote them a letter in regard to the no gun policy and got the nastiest most hostile response you could imagine.
Jim
I would drop my membership but my wife won't go along with it.
 
The last time my wife conned me into going to the movies, I noticed that the local AMC has signs on the doors showing a semi-auto with the red circle and slash. The thing is, they are in the lower left corner of the glass in the doors which puts them about 8" or so off the ground and they are hard to see. Plus, not every door has a sign in it. We bought our tickets and went in one of the doors that didn't have a sign on it. "What sign?"

CW
 
Pecos Bill said:
You will carry anywhere, any time you please because it is your right to do so. What about the right of someone who owns or manages a business to decide what happens or doesn't happen in his/her place of business? Would you like it if someone came on your property and did something you didn't want them to do? To do what a property/business owner wants on his/her property is being polite. I was taught that Texans were always polite and respectful, I guess not these days.
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We are polite and respectful, make no mistake. What I have in my pockets is nobodies business but mine. You say "What about the right of someone who owns or manages a business to decide what happens or doesn't happen in his/her place of business?" Happening? Really? What is happening exactly?
 
My view, as a retired LEO, is that I am a very well trained sheepdog. It was perfectly OK for me to enter the premises for 30 years.
The fact that I am no longer employed by my agency should matter very little to the company that posts the little signs.

Simply put - I could not abide living with myself, should something horrific happen, while I was there and 'obeying' their little signs.
 
Rastoff said:
I've stated many times, and will continue to, these signs boil down to respect. I will respect the business' right to (legal or not) post that sign and I will spend my money elsewhere. There are other places to buy stuff. To get respect you must give respect. To simple state arrogantly that you'll ignore any sign based on what you believe is your superior moral stance, is disrespectful.

Also, I find the OP's letter to demonstrate that respect. He took the time to hopefully enlighten the manger about how silly the sign is.
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I spend a lot of time with a ret army colonel, he's a heli pilot and the CEO of my company. He's got a lot of little sayings. One of which is "disagreement is not disrespect and disobedience...you better be right".

Say you're carrying (surely you are) and there's a place that you HAVE to go inside, perhaps an emergency, and there's sign. What are you going to do? Run back to the car? Say you do and go inside without and something terrible happenes and you're left defenseless. How would you feel as a licensed, handgun trained, individual? Another little saying "failure's not an option, hope it's not a strategy.
 
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We have a small, local supermarket chain in the Des Moines area that fancies itself to be upper crust...they're NOT! A few years ago the NRA helped us get a shall issue state law passed. The local newspaper went CRAZY. The paper is owned by Gannett which hates guns.

This local chain jumped on the gun hate bandwagon and posted NO GUNS stickers in the entrance area. I haven't darkened their door since. I have noticed that their store in my suburb does very little business. I think they'd do much better if they put a REALLY BIG No Guns sign up. NOT!!
 
I don't want to seem arrogant, and I apologize. But who has the right to tell you where and when you can defend yourself, your family and the innocent?
 
I can't afford the prices at Safeway.... so it doesn't matter to me :p

We shop at the larger style stores (Winco, Food 4 Less, etc.) and I have yet to see any sign about carrying a weapon.
 
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