Will this ever get passed: H.R.577 - Veterans Second Amendment Protection Act

[GRT3031]

Veterans Second Amendment Protection Act - Prohibits, in any case arising out of the administration of laws and benefits by the Secretary of Veterans Affairs (VA), considering any person who is mentally incapacitated, deemed mentally incompetent, or experiencing an extended loss of consciousness from being considered adjudicated as a mental defective for purposes of the right to receive or transport firearms without the order or finding of a judicial authority of competent jurisdiction that such person is a danger to himself or herself or others.

Whats currently happening is that the VA is turning over medical records of Veterans who have been appointed a fiduciary for a variety of reasons to the FBI, who adds it to NICS and bans Veterans indiscriminately from owning firearms. Currently there are over 100,000 veterans who have had this happen without any due process, while more than 7.6 million Social Security beneficiaries are assigned fiduciaries, but the Social Security Administration does not forward any of those names to the NICS.


https://www.congress.gov/bill/113th-...house-bill/577

[the ringo kid]

I think it has a much better chance now...

[Calaveras Slim]

Wouldn't that be something. I have held off from applying for PTSD all these years because of I was afraid of losing my 2nd amendment rights. Finally had to put in for it.

I hope this passes.

[brucev]

Good bill. Hasn't got a dog's chance of passing. To much money involved.

[rusty37874]

Originally Posted by Calaveras Slim

Wouldn't that be something. I have held off from applying for PTSD all these years because of I was afraid of losing my 2nd amendment rights. Finally had to put in for it.

I hope this passes.

Slim;

Just out of personal curiosity, why would a diagnose of combat related PTSD affect your 2nd Amendment rights?,-- Not doubting your reservations, just wondering if you have you ever seen , or heard of a non violent PTSD vet denied this right?

[cowart]

Originally Posted by rusty37874

Just out of personal curiosity, why would a diagnose of combat related PTSD affect your 2nd Amendment rights?

You might want to read this analysis:
Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (& Depression) and Possessing a Firearm: The Basics

and a specific case:
http://www.allnineyards.com/wp-conte..._v_Daytona.pdf

"11. On or about 23/24 December 2012 in the late evening and early morning hours of
the respective dates, A.B., a combat veteran sought assistance from a veteran’s assistance hotline. The hotline requested that the Daytona Beach Police Department respond to Plaintiff’s home and make contact with Plaintiff.
12. On or about 24 December 2012, officers of the Daytona Beach Police Department,
acting as agents of Defendants seized from Plaintiff s home multiple firearms, weapons and other personal property without the consent of Plaintiff."

[GRT3031]

Veteran who suffers from PTSD charged with filing false weapons permit | MasonCountyPress.com


HAMMOND: Obama's gun-control dictate on 'mental health' threatens veterans' rights - Washington Times

Senators: V.A. has denied gun rights to more than 100,000 veterans | The Daily Caller

[mojave30cal]

Wasn't American Sniper Kris Kyle killed by a veteran with PTSD?
I'm just sayn'.

[Herknav]

Put me down for a sawbuck in the "No" column.

[Herknav]

Originally Posted by mojave30cal

Wasn't American Sniper Kris Kyle killed by a veteran with PTSD?
I'm just sayn'.

So, you're cool with denying somebody's civil rights w/o due process?

[mojave30cal]

Of course not! But I wouldn't put it past the anti-2nd. Amend-
ment crowd from using it as a reason down the road.

[CoMF]

Originally Posted by mojave30cal

Wasn't American Sniper Kris Kyle killed by a veteran with PTSD?
I'm just sayn'.

Unless you're adjudiciated as a danger to yourself and others in a court of law, your civil rights do not (and should not) get abridged. While the case did not involve PTSD, the 6th Circuit Court of Appeals recently made a ruling on this.

U.S. Appeals Court Expands Gun Rights

[Road Rat]

Ms. Feinstein has had a few choice words on this subject!!!

[Rastoff]

This should be an unnecessary law. Unless you're adjudicated by the proper authority to be a danger to yourself or others, anyone should retain their second amendment rights. I don't even understand why this is an issue.

[the ringo kid]

Originally Posted by mojave30cal

Wasn't American Sniper Kris Kyle killed by a veteran with PTSD?
I'm just sayn'.

Unfortunately--Chris Kyle and a 2nd veteran were killed by a guy they were trying to help out. Also, in an interview he did shortly before being killed--he said he was tired--very tired. That sent shivers up and down my back to hear that. then next thing you know it--he was killed. :-((( Somehow--I think he knew............

[the ringo kid]

Originally Posted by Herknav

So, you're cool with denying somebody's civil rights w/o due process?

Not trying to start a fight but--how can one come up with this conclusion? Just asking. All the man wanted to know is if Chris Kyle was killed--which he was along with another vet.

[Herknav]

I took the "I'm just sayn'" (sic) to mean his question about Kyle was rhetorical. That's why I asked for clarification. He answered. Done deal.

While my writing style may be pointed, my tone is not meant to be confrontational. I'm just curious where people are coming from.

[GRT3031]

Originally Posted by mojave30cal

Wasn't American Sniper Kris Kyle killed by a veteran with PTSD?
I'm just sayn'.

Kris Kyle, and may other Veterans have PTSD. That diagnosis alone should not preclude a veteran from losing his rights.

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Although the problem hasn’t yet been as apparent in other areas, police and firemen on Social Security disability for post-traumatic stress disorder, Medicare seniors with Alzheimer’s, and people who as children were diagnosed under the federal Individuals with Disabilities Education Act program with attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder will ultimately face the same fate.

Read more: HAMMOND: Obama's gun-control dictate on 'mental health' threatens veterans' rights - Washington Times
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[GRT3031]

Thanks for all the replies.