What can you tell me about these two scopes?

Wyatt Burp

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I know very little about scopes but have these laying around. Top one is a WesternField marked "25-7X20" and under that "60-1217". I have a classic Lyman Alaskan on a Savage 99. But the bottom scope here is a Lyman All-American 6X. What do you think of these scopes and is there anything special about the Lyman specifically? Also, which one of these, if any, is a good choice for a 6 1/2 lb. Savage Model 99 Featherweight .243? Thanks in advance, everybody.
 
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I had a Lyman All-American 4X, not that I know much of anything about them. Mine was made before self-centering reticles, so it was a little strange to look through, but it worked, held zero, etc.

-Klaus
 
I know very little about scopes but have these laying around. Top one is a WesternField marked "25-7X20" and under that "60-1217". I have a classic Lyman Alaskan on a Savage 99. But the bottom scope here is a Lyman All-American 6X. What do you think of these scopes and is there anything special about the Lyman specifically? Also, which one of these, if any, is a good choice for a 6 1/2 lb. Savage Model 99 Featherweight .243? Thanks in advance, everybody.

Don't know who made the Western Field, any foreign names on it, i.e. Japan? May be Bushnell.

Lyman made super scopes, my Dad had a Lyman all American on his pre 64 M-70 in 270 for years. It had the fine cross hairs. Much thinner than todays scopes. When his eyes started going bad he put a 3x9 Tasco on it. I put a Leupold VX1 3x9 on it.

The 6x Lyman has the perfect profile for a 243 bolt action.

Does the Lyman have regular size cross hairs or very fine ones? 6x is a great compromise unless all your shots are under 100 yards.

My only reservation with the lyman is it will look pretty big on the Savage lightweight.

The 99 sort of begs for a leupold or Redfield 2x7. This gives a smaller scope profile and would look period correct.

Another one is a Leupold 1x4.5. Super clear and small which would look great on a 99.

I have had good luck buying scopes on ebay.
 
Western Field was Montgomery Ward's house brand. Some of their items were quite good, manufactured by others and branded with the Ward's brand. Savage made some of the Western Field rifles, for example. There's a good chance Weaver, Lyman or some other good maker produced that Western Field scope.
 
any Leupold scope you buy is covered 100% by their warranty....... new , used, etc....They will repair any of them for free............your fault, their fault, no one's fault, such as: the horse fell down on it, my kid took it apart........scope is dented etc Leupold will repair it
 
Wyatt let me see if I can answer your question. The Western Field scope, as some one said, is the house brand for Monkey Ward. With a 20 mm objective lens it's probably not the best you could buy. The Lyman is from a good lineage and while perhaps a bit big for what you want will be worth mounting on your rifle. They have fine optics and, I understand, are somewhat desired by collectors. That is the one I'd use. The Western Field I'd put aside as a cool thing to have to show the evolution of rifle scopes over the years.
 
Don't know who made the Western Field, any foreign names on it, i.e. Japan? May be Bushnell.

Lyman made super scopes, my Dad had a Lyman all American on his pre 64 M-70 in 270 for years. It had the fine cross hairs. Much thinner than todays scopes. When his eyes started going bad he put a 3x9 Tasco on it. I put a Leupold VX1 3x9 on it.

The 6x Lyman has the perfect profile for a 243 bolt action.

Does the Lyman have regular size cross hairs or very fine ones? 6x is a great compromise unless all your shots are under 100 yards.

My only reservation with the lyman is it will look pretty big on the Savage lightweight.

The 99 sort of begs for a leupold or Redfield 2x7. This gives a smaller scope profile and would look period correct.

Another one is a Leupold 1x4.5. Super clear and small which would look great on a 99.

I have had good luck buying scopes on ebay.
The WesternField does in fact say "Japan" on it. I just remembered I have another Lyman Alaskan with crosshairs so fine I can barely see them. The one on my .300 Savage is much better. They are very clear on this All American, too. Years ago I bought my dad a 7MM Weatherby Mark V and saw a Leupold scope on sale and told the gun store guy to put it on the gun. According to forum members a couple years ago I accidentally lucked out and made a good choice. Here's that gun which I now own, unfortunately.
 
Lyman Scopes

The last Lyman scopes on the market were made in Japan. They
are marked on bottom of tube, about center. Quality about same
as Tasco. Tasco may have made them. Take it from idiot who
over paid for one about 10 yrs ago. Came in box with orange
and black printing. Jap markings hard to find unless you are
looking for them. Scope I bought was 3x9.
 
I personally like the old Lyman scopes. I have one of the All Americans in 35x that I have used quite a bit over the last 25 years. these that were made in America were IMHO were up at the top of quality of scopes being made in the 1950's and early 1960's. I would pay a reasonable amount for it and do not even need it. In a question of which one to use, no offence here, but you would have to send a new $ 20 bill with that old Japan Montgomery Ward scope if you expected me to take it off your hands. To put on a hunting 243, that Lyman will do anything a new 6x will do except for light transmission. They have made great progress in lens coating in the past several years. Your only downfall is that I am sure the crosshair is fine as these were before the duplex style became popular.
 
Don't know who made the Western Field, any foreign names on it, i.e. Japan? May be Bushnell.

Lyman made super scopes, my Dad had a Lyman all American on his pre 64 M-70 in 270 for years. It had the fine cross hairs. Much thinner than todays scopes. When his eyes started going bad he put a 3x9 Tasco on it. I put a Leupold VX1 3x9 on it.

The 6x Lyman has the perfect profile for a 243 bolt action.

Does the Lyman have regular size cross hairs or very fine ones? 6x is a great compromise unless all your shots are under 100 yards.

My only reservation with the lyman is it will look pretty big on the Savage lightweight.

The 99 sort of begs for a leupold or Redfield 2x7. This gives a smaller scope profile and would look period correct.

Another one is a Leupold 1x4.5. Super clear and small which would look great on a 99.

I have had good luck buying scopes on ebay.

Go with a Leupold M8 4x. About $120 for a nice used one on eBay. Fog proof and lifetime warranty.
 
I have a Lyman 6x all american and a 10x all american with fine crosshairs and adjustable objective. Both have good optics and have used them on various rifles with good satisfaction. Lyman always made good optics. Had a chance to buy one of Lyman's bench rest scopes 25x if I remember right. Only problem with it yoy needed 20 year old eyes to see the fine crosshairs they were really fine. Passed on that one. Only have one long tube external Redfield 3200 in 24x. Have used it mostly on 22 target rifles spotting 22 cal bullet holes at 100yds is easy. And they ain't making them anymore. Frank
 
Don't buy used optics that you haven't examined. Many owners leave rifles with scopes on them or their binoculars in a hot car and the lenses and prisms fog from vaporized seals and maybe glue. The result is a cloudy view. If you buy used optics sight unseen and they're okay, you were lucky!

I once bought a used Zeiss 8X30B monocular that I eventually realized was fogged a little that way, before I learned much about optics. I sent it to Zeiss USA and they cleaned it as best they could, got maybe 85% of the residue off. Said that more was impossible.

Take a flashlight and shine it into the lenses and look around inside the instrument. Is there any fogging? Debris from manufacturing that should have been cleaned off? Fingerprints? The top Euro makers are much more likely to deliver pristine wares than those in the Orient. Some Oriental-made ones are excellent, but quality control seems to vary more than for Zeiss, Leica, or Swarovski. I say this after reviewing a number of binoculars when I wrote professionally, and I examined others at the SHOT show. I was also a guest at a Zeiss seminar that lasted several days, including the opportunity to try their and competitive brands during both daylight and at night, at a remote location where light pollution was minimal. A scientist came over from the factory and taught a course to the invited writers as well as to train their own managers. It was a wonderful experience, and very informative. I also have several books on optical goods, esp. on binoculars.

If I was looking for a new scope and couldn't afford Zeiss or Swarovski (both of which are astounding compared to most lesser 'scopes), I'd try to buy a Leupold Vari-X III in 2.5-8X. For a hunting rifle, that's all you need and the quality and service are excellent. It suits most calibers for all but specialty long range varmint rifles, where you'll want more power on a heavy specialized rifle.
I hope that Leupold still makes that 'scope. I haven't checked in years.

My son's favorite Winchester M-70 Fwt. Classic .30/06 wears a Zeiss 3X-9X, and it is all he needs for most that he'll ever encounter. He sent some photos of targets that he shot off the bench with that rifle, and they are as good as a light hunting rifle is likely to shoot. I think he showed a quarter (25 cent coin) by the holes and it'd have covered all five shots. He said that the clarity and sharpness of that Zeiss 'scope helped to do that.

Many choose 'scopes that are too powerful for fast use on game at average ranges. I leave the 'scopes on my rifles set on 2X-3X unless it's apparent that shots will need to be taken at extended yardage. VERY FEW men should ever fire at living animals beyond the range at which an 8x or 9X scope allows a good view of the target. I used to work as a range officer, and I saw many sight-in rifles and practice before hunting.

Most were not too familiar with their rifles and didn't handle them instinctively, nor did they shoot especially well, although the available range was just 100 yards. The idea of these guys popping off at deer, elk, or pronghorn at 400 yards or more is not a pleasant thought.

Modern 'scopes are quite a bit brighter and sharper than the old ones. And the selection of reticles is better. I like the German one with three heavy crosshairs and the top one thinner. But what Leupold calls the Duplex is probably most popular, and it likely should be.

I hope this helps someone who might need the info. BTW, I am not now nor have I ever been employed by any optical manufacturer. I just call 'em as I see 'em. But I am an enthusiast of fine 'scopes and binoculars. They give great joy in life.
 
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Wyatt, beautiful WBY MK V. I now have my Dad's pre 64 M-70. I'd rather have Dad back but the Winchester always brings back memories of our Deer hunts.

7 WBY Mag, some years ago a gun shop close to me had dabbled at being a WBY dealer. He ended up with 2 cases, 20 boxes, of 7 WBY mag ammo. Don't remember the bullet weight. They sat for several years at $10.00 a box. I was not thinking right, I had a 270 WBY Mag. I could have pulled the bullets and had cheap Norma WBY cases for mine by necking them down.

I knew it worked but had plenty of brass. I had sold my 257 WBY and necked that up to 270 WBY.

Texas Star, I dont know if the Leupold VX-111 2.5x8 is currently made but about 10 years ago while working part time in a large LGS I sold enough Leupold scopes to earn a VXIII, I chose the 2.5x8. I put it on my Pre 64 Win M-70 featherweight in 270. Great scope. Like all Leupolds I own or have owned it holds it zero well.

I had not used the Featherweight in 5 or 6 years since I normally use my Dad's pre 64 standard M-70 in 270.

Last year I took it when hunting the Anter less only late hunt for the 2 bonus doe tags I had. A small herd came out just before dark at the north property line, the neighbors cows were not there. I shot a big doe at 450'ish and they stood there for a few seconds, I shot another one. Both one shot kills, one traveled perhaps 40 yards.

Cleaned it and put it up till needed again. Something about a Leupold class scope that gives one confidence.

And it would look perfect on a Savage 99.
 
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