Pirate Captain Kidd's Treasure Found

I think the Madagascar authorities are trying to develop a tourism industry. They need more than lemurs to attract tourists.

From what I read in Peter Benchley's, "The Deep", provenance of lost treasure is difficult and the requirements are stringent.

If a ship sank about 1700, the rights to the treasure are unlikely to have been covered by a modern insurance company, and those aboard would have no descendants likely to be able to claim specific items. In fact, most of them would have made a point of not publicizing what valuables they had!

Local governments do get their hands into the treasure, but I believe the finders also get a bunch.

If you like tales of treasure and haven't read, "The Deep", do. You'll be fascinated. The movie is excellent, too, but lacks much of the detail in the book. Still, it's a really good film, worth seeking out. It dates from about 1978, but is a good one.

Personally, I doubt that this is really Capt. Kidd's main treasure trove.

My favorite pirate is Blackbeard. He was a thoroughly bad dude. Took a lot of killing to put down.
 
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ATF said:
Captain Morgan was luckier he was made Governor of Jamaica

Henry Morgan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Have you read Ian Fleming's, "Live and Let Die"? Good info on Morgan and what may have become of some of his treasure, investigated by James Bond. One of the better Bond books.

Discusses some coins that'd be in his trove.

There is also a movie made about 1940 that featured Morgan and which starred (I think) Tyrone Power as one of his captains. I think it was, "The Black Swan." The Ringo Kid may know it, or you can check the Net. I have the DVD somewhere. Good movie.
 
I think that was "Dr. No", but I'm not sure.

You're right about "The Black Swan". Good movie, even if there wasn't much accuracy in it.

Of course Captain Morgan also got to be on millions of rum bottles.



Texas Star said:
Have you read Ian Fleming's, "Live and Let Die"? Good info on Morgan and what may have become of some of his treasure, investigated by James Bond. One of the better Bond books.

Discusses some coins that'd be in his trove.

There is also a movie made about 1940 that featured Morgan and which starred (I think) Tyrone Power as one of his captains. I think it was, "The Black Swan." The Ringo Kid may know it, or you can check the Net. I have the DVD somewhere. Good movie.
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GaryS-

"Dr. No" was about an insane scientist toppling US missiles during tests. It also became the first Bond movie and was the book where Bond traded his .25 Beretta for a Walther PPK 7.65mm.

I am pretty upset about the movie version of, "Live and Let Die." Felix Leiter was BADLY miscast in favor of excessive PC! Fleming described him as a "straw-haired Texan." That's how I prefer to see him. I much prefer the book to the movie in this case. The book is quite good.

On the other hand, I think that was the movie where some female character had what looked to me like a snub S&W M-19 and he called it a custom .38. Now, I've learned here that some special order M-19's have indeed been produced in .38 Special instead of the usual .357. But I feel sure the movie people didn't know that, so it's just serendipity for them if anyone looks into that statement.

I just checked on, "The Black Swan." It dates from 1942 and indeed stars Tyrone Power, with Maureen O'Hara.
 
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k22fan said:
Property accidentally lost in ship wrecks and crashed air planes belongs to who ever lost it or their insurance company. Numerous lost vessels and air craft remain where they are at for that reason. They make destinations for divers. However the WWII aircraft that the military dumped in deep water to get rid of them belong to the finder. My relative has bought the title to sunken boats. The proposition he makes the owner is simple. Either they sell him the title cheap or he will never tell them exactly where it is on the bottom.

Incidentally, one of the local divers’ destinations is a WWII PBY in fairly shallow water off the south end of Mercer Island. During heavy wind its mooring lines did not hold it to the dock at Boeing field on the South end of Lake Washington. Not too long ago local teenage divers found it. As an unrecorded wreck it was visited frequently by divers who swam through the fuselage. That came to an end after parents on the Island found their teenage boys trying to repair one of the .50 caliber Brownings in their bed room! :eek: The navy removed the rest of the guns and sealed the open hatches. Other wise it is still there.
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I dont know how they could repair a rusted and corroded hunk of metal?they must be very talented.
 
GaryS said:
And video games.
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Id whip his hiney on all the 'old school' video games. I could be on one for several hours spending only one quarter. In fact, many a time I flipped the game over because it couldnt count my score. Galaga and Ms. Pacman are two I remember well.
 
Texas Star said:
Have you read Ian Fleming's, "Live and Let Die"? Good info on Morgan and what may have become of some of his treasure, investigated by James Bond. One of the better Bond books.

Discusses some coins that'd be in his trove.

There is also a movie made about 1940 that featured Morgan and which starred (I think) Tyrone Power as one of his captains. I think it was, "The Black Swan." The Ringo Kid may know it, or you can check the Net. I have the DVD somewhere. Good movie.
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Its an excellent movie. I havent seen it in twenty five years. Your correct--Tyrone Power did play one of his captains. I cant remember but--I THINK Maureen O'Hara was also in it..
 
chaparrito said:
I don't get these shipwreck guys. I guess fame is more important than the treasure. Pretty sure if I found an old buried Wells Fargo box full of 20 dollar Eagles I'd keep quiet about it.
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O Wells Fargo--according to a docI saw a few years ago and about Black Bart I think??? some of the valuables from a few of his robberies hae apparantly never been found.
 
GunarSailors said:
All I know is that you couldn't pay me enough to dive off the coast of southern Africa... Me and sharks, we have an understanding.
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When sharks are a nuisance you and your partner press your backs together and rap nosy ones on the tip of their nose with the butt of your dive knives. I've never heard of a diver being bitten. Tasty bare legs thrashing just below the surface are the more likely meal.
 
GunarSailors said:
All I know is that you couldn't pay me enough to dive off the coast of southern Africa... Me and sharks, we have an understanding.
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Ten years ago,I had a bad double stapf infection in my lower legs and spent a full month in hospital. I was told I can never go into the water again do to "weakened skin"--so Jaws will never have a chance to taste my legs. Doesnt matter to me--I dont go to the beach anyhow.
 
The National Geographic had a special about diving the Lusittania to detirmine what caused the second explosion after she was torpedoed. The ship was long rumored to be carrying munitions for the British. And the British also paid for the construction of the ship which at the behest of the British gov't could have been converted to an armored cruiser. The gent who owns the wreck said most likely it will be the last time he'll see the wreck which is in poor shape and rapidly turning to rust. There was a show some years back where the divers did get into the ship and brought up fuses and other munitions. Frank
 
the ringo kid said:
Having booze named after ya can also reep rewards to any descendants--if he had any?
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Doesn't seem like he had any direct descendants but with all that raping and pillaging I'm sure his genes got passed on.

Henry Morgan’s Will 1688
Henry had married his cousin, Mary Elizabeth Morgan in 1666, there was no issue and she died in 1696. In his will signed 17 June 1688, he left his Jamaican property to his godsons Charles Byndloss (b.1668) and Henry Archbold on condition they adopted the surname of Morgan. These were the children of his two cousins Anna Petronilla Byndloss (née Morgan), and Johanna Archbold (née Morgan). Their father Colonel Edward Morgan (Lt-Gov. Jamaica 1664-65) was Robert Morgan's younger brother (see early life). To his sister Catherine Loyd (née Morgan) he awarded £60 per annum from his estate ‘paid into the hands of my ever honest cozen (sic) Thomas Morgan of Tredegar’.

He knew how to name a ship though - Satisfaction - what a cool name :)

On 4 August 2011 archaeologists from Texas State University reported having found what may be one of Morgan's ships off the coast of Panama. The dive was conducted off the Lajas Reef; some sources are stating it was at the mouth of Panama's Chagres River, where a 52-by-22-foot (16 by 7 m) section from the starboard side of a wooden ship's hull was found. The find may be Morgan's flagship, Satisfaction.
 
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k22fan said:
When sharks are a nuisance you and your partner press your backs together and rap nosy ones on the tip of their nose with the butt of your dive knives. I've never heard of a diver being bitten. Tasty bare legs thrashing just below the surface are the more likely meal.
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That's just silly. Only reason one carries a dive knife is to give their partner a nick in the leg. :eek:
 
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