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Old 05-14-2015, 09:18 PM
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Hipster Seattle urbanites protest the arrival of an Alaska-bound Shell Oil Drilling Rig by meeting it in their (oil-based) polyurethane-plastic kayaks. And in timber country to boot, with no shortage of woods suitable for canoe and boatbuilding, and boatbuilders to build them. And they can't understand why I'm ROFLMAO.

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Seattle pressured Boeing to remove a WWII aircraft from their museum because it had been used by the Luftwaffe and bore a swastika on the fuselage. The welcomed a submarine that sits on the waterfront that has a hammer and sickle on the sail.
They use some convoluted logic to explain it.
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Wait. Doesn't this belong in the "Fact Resistent Humans" thread?
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You should try living here. No, no, save yourself. Hey, wait a minute, if I could talk YOU into moving here we could make it painful for them.
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It amazes me that anyone except liberals listens to these morons especially major corporations.
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They obviously don't have jobs. Oh, and the rig is sitting at Pier 5 right now. A beautiful sight!
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Seattle is an interesting place. I used to live there in the 70-80's. Still in the area. During the Alaska gold rush it boomed because so many people came through here on their way to the Yukon. Now we have coal and oil moving through here. There is a big push to build new terminals for coal and oil near Seattle. The Shell drill rig is the latest big energy presence here. Looks like Shell decided to make Seattle it's operations base for Arctic drilling.

Seattle being a liberal city has just about exploded over all this fossil fuel traffic. They have coal and oil trains rolling through the city that are over a mile long, lots of them. Public and private transportation is disrupted and people can't get to Starbucks for their lattes. Now this, a drill rig parked across the street. There goes the neighborhood.
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I was listening to the news and apparently Shell is going to get fined $50 a day for ignoring the city council's pulling their permit. Bet they're shaking in their boots.
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Down here we would round them up with their kayaks and pump them into the ground for fracking....
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What is wrong with these peoples thinking? Why do they do this stuff?
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Because they are stupid and have no understanding of how their economy works.
They get their kayak, purchased last year from REI, likely shipped or delivered via a large truck. Load it on top of their SUVS and drive down to Shilsole or Elliot bay or whatever, to make a stand against big oil.
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They are wearing plastic clothes all petroleum derived.
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Any wonder why I refuse to do anything there unless coerced? That city is a major boil on the sweaty posterior of the State, and needs a good lancing. We need a better access control system at MP52, because the inhabitants of that place are damaging the rest of the State. Every time one of those low functioning narcissistic drains on society open their mouth, I feel my IQ points draining and my soul dying as if Billy Madison and a Dementor had an affair. I am pretty sure that is the origin story of those wastes of a double helix.
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Because they think if they brush their teeth and eat blueberries, they will live forever, and that sixteen wheelers can be jump started from an iPod.
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For the children.

Seattle is a weird place. Imagine a high tech environment where Bill Gates founded Microsoft and all the companies which followed. Then there are those who are still stuck in the '60's. Now, you have an environment where older VW's mixes with BMW's and Mercedes; organic foods mixed with power bars. Seattle is a weird place.
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some people just want to be on TV use the kayak once then throw it away
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And you know this because...?

I'm looking at the photo, searching for that dead giveaway that indicates these people are unemployed. I don't see it. What is it?
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Born in Seattle, and now an ancient albatross, I've watched the western side of state slide ever closer to dropping into the abyss.
And as it made its steady progress to the left, I've moved further and further out. I know I'd be more comfortable on the dry side of the state - with my own kind of folks, but I've always been close to the salt water. So I now reside on an island many miles north of Seattle. Many years ago I asked a friend why he'd moved his family out of town to one of the islands. His reply: "Because the ding-dongs (his wording more colorful) have to pay to get out here". Yup, our ferry system is considered by some of us to be one of the last bastions of defense against the moral/mental decay that is infesting the Seattle area... Yes, they come up as "tourists", but we've got them outnumbered here.
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I'm looking at the photo, searching for that dead giveaway that indicates these people are unemployed. I don't see it. What is it?
They have jobs. If they didn't they wouldn't be in Seattle. Apt rent in the city is about 2K a month. Near the city about $1500. I know people that live there. If you don't make 100K a year it's almost too expensive to live there. One of the reasons I moved. It's a lot like San Diego.
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Seattle is an interesting place. I used to live there in the 70-80's. Still in the area. During the Alaska gold rush it boomed because so many people came through here on their way to the Yukon. Now we have coal and oil moving through here. There is a big push to build new terminals for coal and oil near Seattle. The Shell drill rig is the latest big energy presence here. Looks like Shell decided to make Seattle it's operations base for Arctic drilling.

Seattle being a liberal city has just about exploded over all this fossil fuel traffic. They have coal and oil trains rolling through the city that are over a mile long, lots of them. Public and private transportation is disrupted and people can't get to Starbucks for their lattes. Now this, a drill rig parked across the street. There goes the neighborhood.
Well,if they want nothing to do with the stuff? then wy dont they shut off power,gas and such when winter slides on in. Then we will here them moan about freezing.
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Well,if they want nothing to do with the stuff? then wy dont they shut off power,gas and such when winter slides on in. Then we will here them moan about freezing.
Unfortunately, except for a couple of cold days, they wouldn't actually freeze. Uncomfortable yes. Winter has a different definition here.
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I'm looking at the photo, searching for that dead giveaway that indicates these people are unemployed. I don't see it. What is it?

Maybe they don't need jobs and this is how they fill their time.
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Hipster Seattle urbanites protest...
Webster's defines "urbanite" as "a person who lives in a city". How do you know these people are urbanites? And even if they are, is there something inherently wrong with living in a city? Not sure what makes them "hipsters", either...but maybe you can tell that just by looking at them, I sure can't.

But yeah, how dare those urbanites exercise their Constitutional rights under the First Amendment? Silly, isn't it? Who do they think they are, American citizens or something?

Bet you wouldn't wink and poke fun at them if they were protesting their Second Amendment rights being trampled on, though, now would you?
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Maybe they're protesting for a Utopian world where the oil rigs that make their plastic kayaks go somewhere else?
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Their brains are fried on___________...take your pick
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One would suppose that the actions of those protesters will prove ineffectual but I can understand concerns about offshore oil drilling. I live in a community on the edge of the Atlantic. I am a volunteer at the Virginia Aquarium. The fragility of our ocean and estuaries is easily recognized and is of deep concern to us. The powers that be, who don't bear the risk that we do from a spill, are very enthusiastic about drilling off the coast of Virginia. On the other hand, I live in an area where there is a huge military presence and many of us are acutely aware of the real cost in blood and treasure that is the result of our national interest in petroleum involving the insanity in the Middle East. There are many conservative residents who are far from being "hipsters" who have grave concerns about that happening here and are willing to express that...This is not a simple issue. Are those people hypocrites? Perhaps, but the fact that no one is absolutely perfect or consistent regarding the issue of energy vs environment doesn't mean that they are wrong to express concern in a peaceful manner. I don't view those people as villians.
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Webster's defines "urbanite" as "a person who lives in a city". How do you know these people are urbanites? And even if they are, is there something inherently wrong with living in a city? Not sure what makes them "hipsters", either...but maybe you can tell that just by looking at them, I sure can't.

But yeah, how dare those urbanites exercise their Constitutional rights under the First Amendment? Silly, isn't it? Who do they think they are, American citizens or something?

Bet you wouldn't wink and poke fun at them if they were protesting their Second Amendment rights being trampled on, though, now would you?
Nothing wrong with living in a city, or legally protesting whatever you want. But, since we also have the 1A, we can make fun of people who don't seem to have a firm grasp on reality.

Heck, maybe those kayaks are made from recycled Starbucks cup lids. I will go out on a limb, and assume they are made from oil based products.
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Don't they always?
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I'm looking at the photo, searching for that dead giveaway that indicates these people are unemployed. I don't see it. What is it?
They've been there for a week, and all this activity is taking place in the middle of the workday. And the same group turns up at all the protests.
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Well,if they want nothing to do with the stuff? then wy dont they shut off power,gas and such when winter slides on in. Then we will here them moan about freezing.
Funny you should mention that.

When the oil pipeline in Alaska was built there were a lot of protests against that. A popular bumper sticker up there at that time was "Freezing in the Dark builds Character". That was the locals reply to the protesters suggesting that they should turn off their power and heat if they wanted to walk the talk. Of course none of them are going to do that so nobody is going to take them seriously. I used to heat with wood (renewable energy resource around these parts) when I lived in Seattle but I was told I couldn't do that because it polluted the air.

So I moved out and left them with their moral delimas which they have no shortage of there. It's a very conflicted city.
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They've been there for a week, and all this activity is taking place in the middle of the workday. And the same group turns up at all the protests.
Retired to soon? Rich too early? Maybe to much time on their hands? I don't know.

I still gotta laugh at them. Top to bottom and stem to stern all I see is plastic. Someone should get some pictures of the parking lot where they met, not the beach. I bet Infinitys and BMWs brought most to this event. I'd also venture to bet they live well and have a bigger carbon foot print than they want to admit.
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I know a lot of folks my age who can retire now and not have to worry about their or their kids future. They are my age, I'm 35
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I'm sure when they are done they will get on their bikes or walk home (with their kayaks).
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Or, perhaps the kayaks are their homes. Now that would be an impressively small carbon footprint.
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They are called Trustifarians their trust fund is probably full of Exxon stock but they like to be cool.
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Webster's defines "urbanite" as "a person who lives in a city". How do you know these people are urbanites? And even if they are, is there something inherently wrong with living in a city? Not sure what makes them "hipsters", either...but maybe you can tell that just by looking at them, I sure can't.

But yeah, how dare those urbanites exercise their Constitutional rights under the First Amendment? Silly, isn't it? Who do they think they are, American citizens or something?

Bet you wouldn't wink and poke fun at them if they were protesting their Second Amendment rights being trampled on, though, now would you?
A staggering 75% of King county voted to hold hands with Bloomberg and his gaggle of nags against the 2A with I594. So yeah, as far as gun freedoms are concerned I'd say there is something wrong with that city.

"Bet"? It's more likely they're doing the trampling.

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Or, perhaps the kayaks are their homes. Now that would be an impressively small carbon footprint.
When I lived there I knew a guy who lived on a house boat on lake Union. He didn't work. He had a trust fund left to him by a relative who got rich in the oil business in TX. He was an environmentalist and spent his time as a professional student. He knew absolutely nothing about how most people live. Seattle has it's share of billionaires and obscenely rich people. Mostly because there is no state income tax here.
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Freedom of expression, like the freedom to bear arms, is what makes this country great. The foolish, the naive and the hypocritical are as free to have their peaceful say as those who agree with me.
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Funny how the Drill that works, is "evil", and the city leaders battled the Port authorities to ban it. Yet the Drill that doesn't work "Bertha" (you WA folks know what I'm talking about) is celebrated by the city leaders, and if they could build a statue of it they would. Bertha is a large tunnel drilling machine, drilling freeway under the city, that keeps breaking down, and 2 years behind schedule and way over budget.
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A staggering 75% of King county voted to hold hands with Bloomberg and his gaggle of nags against the 2A with I594. So yeah, as far as gun freedoms are concerned I'd say there is something wrong with that city.

"Bet"? It's more likely they're doing the trampling.
The biggest problem with the I-594 vote was that only 50% of the registered voters, voted. This is pretty sad in a state that is 100% mail in voting. (then you add in the 10 - 1 difference in advertizing money, the almost 100% pro 594 coverage in the media) it's amazing the difference wasn't more unbalanced. I spoke to many people about the initiative and many times I got the answer "In this state, my vote doesn't matter, it will pass anyway so I'm not voting!" It still only passed with 59% (statewide), of course the most populous counties were pro 594 (Seattle metro and Spokane). Here's a map of the distribution of the votes. http://projects.seattletimes.com/201...tion/#KeyRaces, If I was younger, I'd consider moving out of the Seattle metro area, but at this point it's not much of an option. Gotta go, USPSA match starts in a couple of hours.
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These are the same people that want cheaper gas and oil for their big SUV's. Where do they think the stuff comes from? A lot of the comments made above are hilarious. These people need to get real.
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Ironic isn't it? The plastic kayaks, life vest, oars, cameras recording their protest, and the TV's showing this as news- all products that would not exists if it wasn't for oil. Not to mention the mode of travel they all took.
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Webster's defines "urbanite" as "a person who lives in a city". How do you know these people are urbanites? And even if they are, is there something inherently wrong with living in a city? Not sure what makes them "hipsters", either...but maybe you can tell that just by looking at them, I sure can't.

But yeah, how dare those urbanites exercise their Constitutional rights under the First Amendment? Silly, isn't it? Who do they think they are, American citizens or something?

Bet you wouldn't wink and poke fun at them if they were protesting their Second Amendment rights being trampled on, though, now would you?
The Constitution outlines the right to peaceful assembly. It doesn't state that people have the right to block legal businesses. As previously stated, this, group in Seattle is not interested in protecting the rights of everyone, only in getting their way. If you express a dissenting position they try to shout you down. They are more interested in government restrictions than individual freedom. The Seattle City Council is famously left leaning, even outlined as such Iin Wikipedia. The Mayor and the Council tried to ban concealed carry in city parks but they were thwarted by a lawsuit. They are still trying to figure out how they can end concealed carry in the city.
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They've been there for a week, and all this activity is taking place in the middle of the workday. And the same group turns up at all the protests.
Im sure all their monetary needs are paid for by george soros.
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The Constitution outlines the right to peaceful assembly. It doesn't state that people have the right to block legal businesses. As previously stated, this, group in Seattle is not interested in protecting the rights of everyone, only in getting their way. If you express a dissenting position they try to shout you down. They are more interested in government restrictions than individual freedom. The Seattle City Council is famously left leaning, even outlined as such Iin Wikipedia. The Mayor and the Council tried to ban concealed carry in city parks but they were thwarted by a lawsuit. They are still trying to figure out how they can end concealed carry in the city.
Exactly. Anti-capitalist terrorists.

sHell No! Action Coalition event organizer ZARNA JOSHI babbling...

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Here she is celebrating Greenpeace terrorists and proclaiming we're all going to die. . -- Yeah, I believe it was six Greenpeace activists, and they boarded the rig as it crossed the Pacific Ocean, while it was actually moving. So, it was an incredible feat of bravery and skill. And they did it to highlight what Shell is doing and this just diabolical plan that Shell has to actually go and drill into the Arctic, from which we could never survive, because we know that the Arctic is what—is our air-conditioning system.

And then Monday, May 18th, is going to be the day of mass direct action, when we take land—land-based actions in order to show Shell that we can shut them down on the water and on the land. They cannot hide.

And that is why we are taking action May 16th to 18th in order to protest this corrupt system, this greedy capitalist system, that is utterly failing the people.

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I can't help it. It's one of my many failings.
W D, in a good humored way, I would like to point out another of your "failings" of late.

You are falling far behind in your criticism of all the posters with an opinion different from yours.

Heck. Just in the last two or three days I know you must have missed at least four. Step it up will you; these scalawags need to have the correct opinions pointed out to them.

Next thing you know they will be taking the liberty to post all sorts of wrong points of view; things just so contrary to your,(CORRECT) opinion, we can not have it.
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Freedom of expression, like the freedom to bear arms, is what makes this country great. The foolish, the naive and the hypocritical are as free to have their peaceful say as those who agree with me.
I dont think anyone is complaining about their right to free speech? However,its just the way they are going about doing iwhich makes them the brunt of alot of good jokes. Where's Jaws,when you need a good shark attack? J/K
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