Not sure this is the right place to ask ,so move it if I am wrong
What is your 2 cents on a Red Dot vs a Scope for punching paper? + and - !I do not see me going out more then 50 yards! I assume the Red Dot a little quicker to acquire the target? Easier to see? I have never used a Red Dot. This will be for a 22 and a 9mm Rifle that I will be getting myself for a retirement gift to me
Thanks for your info

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No batteries to go dead or leak inside a scope.

Ditto. A scope is also more versatile and allows for more accurate shooting. I'd get a less expensive rimfire scope for the .22 and a nice little adjustable power scope for the 9mm. Nikon has nice affordable scopes, check Leupold if you can spend more $.

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Thanks a lot for the replies! Never thought about the batteries lol , Ill stick with a Scope for the .22 I am looking at the 3x9 under 100$ saw several ,,and maybe a 3x9 for the 9mm under 200$ if possible,, Bad thing about retiring is Ill have more time to shoot and have to get more ammo lol

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2-7 or 3-9 is a good general purpose ........for plinking and hunting.

Serious small groups on paper......... on a good .22.....even at 50yds think more power 12 to 18X.

9mm.....for defense? ...... red dot...... fast fist size groups.

A Weaver 1-3x20 or Leupold 1-4x20..... make great scopes on a 9mm carbine...... out to 75-80yds..... effective range for the 9mm IMO

It sure is possible, just keep looking. Make sure you get the correct rings and mount them as low as possible on your rifles.

Btw, what rifles did you get if you don't mind me asking...?!

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I knew exactly ONE shooter in the Cuyahoga County Pistol league who DIDN'T use a dot sight or scope. He was a traditionalist revolver shooter.

ALL of my semi-auto bullseye guns except my .45 ball gun have 1" UltraDots on them.

If you're shooting in an organized league, you'll probably be in the minority if you don't have some kind of optical sight.

Bam , the 9mm is just for fun to go along with my Ruger SR9E F.S and my 9mm Shield, The Ruger is my night stand gun and a 12 Ga. for HD.. Good info Thanks

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Thanks for your reply ! And for the rifles I am looking at the Ruger 10/22 Blue barrel /Black stock , for the 9mm rifle not 100 % sure yet but the 9mm Hi Point is one ( I know Hi Point :O ) but the reviews have been good , and the guys on the High Point forum also give good reviews. But the 10 round mags are a -. So looking at other models of 9mm Rifles under 500$ if possible! BUT if I get a good severance package from work I may spend alittle more lol

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No problem.... I have a 9mm Beretta CX-4 Storm carbine...which uses Beretta 92 mags....15,17,18,20 and 30rd mags....Bushnell TRS-25 red dot (<$100).

Fast fist size groups at 50yds............

The Bushnell.... uses CR2032 lithium battery...3moa dot... rated at 3000 hrs run time..... never heard of a lithium battery leaking.

Radco....... unless you're set on a semi........ take a look at CZ's line of .22 rifles.....all less than $500 (Mannlicher stock) some under $350 (American, Trainer).... from experience most seem to shoot less than 1/2 inch at 50 yds......a lot are at or close to moa at 100dys.

The Storm is one I am looking at! Great info Thanks!

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Ill take a look at the CZ, Was planning on a Semi But my mind can change not as fast as my Ex wife mind but it can change lol

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Something to consider in regard to your upcoming 9mm carbine: The Mechtech "non-gun"; a 16" carbine conversion for 1911's and Glocks.

MechTech - Home

They make them in 9mm, 10mm, 40 and 45 ACP. I've got one in 45 ACP with a collapsible stock that I occasionally mount on a S&W 1911. I've found it to be good mostly for its political incorrectness; shoots OK (....meh), gets a lot of attention at the range, and costs me a lot of ammo. It is FUN to shoot. -S2

Thanks That is pretty cool

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Time to get into reloading and bullet casting. That will use up a lot of your time, but produce lots of cheap ammo.

Well, first off the Hi-Point carbines do come with a variety of optics, just have a look at their website. That would save time and money...

Hi-Point Firearms: 9mm Carbine - Black

Other new production 9mm carbines/rifles around that price range are KELTEC SUB2K and Just Right Carbines.

If you are looking for used ones try to locate a Ruger PC9 carbine. Marlin made a similar model called the Camp Carbine.

I have no firsthand experience with either one.

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If I can snag a PC9 I will grab it.. So far no luck local. We have a few pawn shops I need to check out! Ill check out the Marlin as well. not crazy for the Kel tech or Just Right! But that could change when I get my hands on them

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I put one of these on my AK and am very pleased with it. Illuminated reticle (green or red) and sight acquisition is as quick as a red dot, helluva value.

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Sweet looking scope. I like the optics.. I book marked it and the price is very good Thanks

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Yes, batteries do die and leak, however, ...

If you are limiting your shooting to a max of 50 yards, I would suggest a reflex panoramic sight, where you can dial in different reticles. With the panoramic sight, you have full view of your target area. The question you need to answer is do you require magnification of the target to see your impacts?

When I am using the scopes on my F class rifles, there are trade offs! When I am using my 600 yard rifle, I can only see about 30 yards before the target, so any movement (i.e.: errant deer, fox, dog, or trespassers) are not observed until they are in the field of view. Granted, the likelihood of using a red dot at 600 or 1000 yards is unrealistic, I use it to drive home a point.

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Great info thanks.. I am thinking 50 yards or less for the most part but I am sure I will try 100 yards now and then, The .22 will be 50 yards and less , but I will try and reach out to 100 yards with the 9mm Rifle sooner or later, But mainly 50 + or -

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Radco, I understand where you are coming from. If you are looking at precision, go with the scope, but if you are looking at improving your ability to hit the target, look at a panoramic reflex sight. Take in part the military with the M4 for CQB, they use and train with the reflex sight. The reflex sight increases short range hitability!

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I prefer open sights on an ar, but I do have one with a scope.

I find the see-all reflex sight interesting, but haven't tried one yet.
https://seeallopensight.com/product/see-all-open-sight/

I am opposed to having a battery operated sight on any gun I own.

Thanks for the info,, I have been using iron sights since the 60s and my A1 I had in 71 was also iron sights! And then I could dump everything in center mass Now way older and I need a little help seeing lol.....

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Looks interesting , Book marked it Thanks

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The Chiappa M1 in 9mm might be another option for you?!

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Another nice option Thanks

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Depends....

If you just want to sit at a bench and precision shoot at paper for small groups, get a magnified optic. 2-7x 3-9x or whatever. However, if you prefer to shoot offhand then I would suggest a 1x red dot or 1-4x magnified optic.

My opinion is to forget about those spinning multi-reticle tactical reflex kaleidoscopes. If you want a 1x sight, just get a dot.

Well I DO NOT needs Depends yet lol
Good advice thanks,, I will be going with a scope as I will be shooting from a bench and off hand....

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I am still a pep sight guy all rifles, Its what I trained with in the Air force. I had a red dot on one of my Browning 22 target pistol.

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Open sights and peep sites on everything except 4 or 5 Ctr/fire rifles that I bought that came w/a 'scope already on them. They're all claw mt & QD type old pre-war 'scopes on same era rifles so I put up with them!
Otherwise I have no interest in optics, & definitely not on a shotgun or handgun.
I'll probably change my tune when I'm just about blind.....

50 yard max for a .22

If you're retiring... think retirement!

Nice Spring Tuesday morning of retirement. No one at the Club but you. Take out your Savage FVSR. Dial in 153MOA of bullet drop on your SWFA fixed 16x scope with 40MOA canted base. Give the YHM can a twist to make sure it's snug. Load the five round mag with CCI Standard velocity. Grab hold of the oversized bolt knob and chamber a round. Take aim at the steel plate 300yds down field. Squeeze.... click.... pffff... .... .... .... .... .... ding.

Now THAT's .22 retirement.

NO that's firing a..........22 caliber........ mortar!!!!! LOL

LOL that is retirement! I am sure I will get bored with 50 yards if I shoot a lot, then ??????

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While I'm not yet retired..... at 62 ...... I've been working from a home office the past 6 years.........

I have to admit that sneaking off to an empty range (100yds) with a .22 rifle; be it my CZ 452FS/Mannlicher or my S&W 15/22 on a Tues,Wed or Thurs for a long lunch hour is one of the great pleasures of a Spring,Summer or Fall week!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You know I never really thought about shooting a .22 at 100 yards! But with all the talk is seems that 100 yards
w/a .22 is doable and then some! So a Scope it will be in case I get good enough to shoot the .22 at 100 yards
Thank you every one for your input

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Oh sure. At a 100yds with the Savage I bounce around bottle caps and shotgun hulls at our plinking range.

50yds is more for pistols and bouncing around soda cans.

A quiet retirement can be a lot fun.

Not only will my retirement be fun it will also be alittle loud lol. 2 more rifles to add and maybe another 12 Ga. One advantage being Divorced is I do not have to clear it with mama first lol

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