I had an interesting experience this afternoon at the local 'Dog Park'. I was there with my three dogs in the 'Small Dogs/Puppy Enclosure'. I was watching my dogs play with others and i was visiting with other owners. I became aware that a man had entered the other enclosure (For Large Dogs Only) with two Pit Bulls. I watched them on occasion with mild interest. I then watched another man approach that enclosure with two Pit Bulls that were tandem yoked together. I heard the first man start yelling at the new man to "Wait a Minute, Wait a Minute". The newcomer man didn't wait. The first man's white Pit Bull male met the two new dogs at the gate the second the second man open it. A fight started immediately in the gate opening. The white Pit grabbed the entering male Pit by the side of the head from the ear downward. The first man ran up and fastened a lead to a choke collar and was trying desperately to lever a short flashlight into the jaws of his dog to make him release. The second man was pulling back on his lead, but it was to a harness not a choke collar. Blood was starting to flow.

Now, I had been trained by others when I was raising and training Dobermans that a sure-fire way to get dogs locked in combat to release was to run something into their anus. The problem is to control them after the release. In all my years raising and training Dobermans and showing them in the ring, I never got a chance to try this theory out. As a LEO we discussed this technique with the Dog Handlers who all swore it worked.

So, I ran over and told both owner to be ready to control their dogs because I was going to make them release. Both said they were ready. I grabbed the white Pit by the left hind leg and lifted his rear off the ground. I then ran my right thumb into his anus as far as I could and grabbed a hunk of his right hip. Viol La! It worked. The white Pit released immediately and the owners drug them apart. As the fight was taking place right in the gate area someone else swung the gate closed and locked completing the separation. The entering Pit was badly torn up in the bite area. The owner left with lots of cursing, headed for the Vet's Office. The first man, owner of the white Pit Bull asked me what I did to make his dog release. I told him and he was amazed.

Theory becomes fact!! I went over to the doggy drinking fountain and washed off my thumb and hand. I was pretty proud of myself. .....

Now, to complete the story. The LEO Dog Handlers told us Patrolmen that if we felt we had to perform this maneuver in actuality to get a dog to release from a human victim to make sure that there was a hard surface close by that we could swing the dog into with everything we had to stun the dog long enough for control to be established of the dog. We were of course thinking that control was going to be established by a couple of well placed shots.

I had my ever present BUG in my front pocket, but didn't think it was going to be necessary because in this situation the owner's both had leads attached to their respective dogs and both were good sized fellows.

All's well that ends well. ..............

There is no scenario that I can envision that doesn't endanger me or mine that would require or even suggest that I intervene into somebody else's problem like that . . .

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Wow Brother-now that's focus! Well done.

While I think you have to be a real idiot to take a dog to such a place, taking pit bulls requires insanity. Taking your pit bulls into an area with other pit bulls is criminal insanity.

I will not even discuss what ramming your finger or thumb in the anus of a pit bull requires! I am certain that is sexual abuse of an animal in most states. LOL, But at the very least it is creative insanity.

Glad it worked for you. Did you and the dog have a smoke afterward?

Great post by the way, true or not!

Not since a similar incidence in the TV series Blue Mountain State have I laughed this hard. Only in the series it was a line backer not a pit bull.

I’ll have to give you a big thumbs up for that one.

It would make me let go!!

Wow! I don't know if I would/could have done that.
I guess ' being all thumbs' isn't such a bad thing after all.
I imagine that would inspire some colorful nick-names for you at the station, also.

You sir, are either very brave or bat poop crazy.
You just gave a canine, a 1/2 shocker.

I hope that you at least bought the white pit bull flowers.....

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That may be the ultimate goose story.

I never heard of doing that and I guess it would be a sudden distraction for the dog. At least it didn't require a kiss.

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Just a shooter

Wow, amazing story. Cesar Millan would be proud of you! When
are the nuptials?

If Cesar had been there in my place and this had occurred in California, He would have a second law suit to contend with. Some effeminate nutjob would be yelling animal cruelty and claiming the same affect could have been obtained by blowing in the poor misunderstood Pit Bull's ear. ....... :-)

I have a HS/College friend that volunteers at a Pit Bull rescue facility that Cesar shows up at frequently. I will have to pass my story on to him for him to tell Cesar. .............

I tip my hat to you Sir.
Otherwise I'm speechless.

Dang, Big Cholla! You are a handy man to have in a pit bull fight!

Too bad you couldn't have stuck the muzzle of your BUG where you
stuck your thumb instead. After the BUG application the pit would
have let go as all of his muscles relaxed and you wouldn't have had
to worry about being bitten yourself.

It just wasn't a situation that was calling for a solution quite that drastic. I have been associated with dogs all of my life as my Dad was a top flight bird dog trainer. I like all Dogs including Pit Bulls. I interjected myself into that situation thinking that my training could help the Pit Bull being injured from being more injured than necessary. Believe me if a dog had clamped onto a child in that situation, I would not hesitate in using a firearm. When I was an active LEO, I thought about the Child vs. Pit Bull situation and thought a swift and safe resolution would be to stand over the child and shoot the dog in the hips thereby making it release. Then a quick followup shot to the head.

I walked into the scene thinking that both owners had a good hold of their dogs, so at the time of release I wasn't likely to be bit. Maybe one of the owners, but not me. That is why I asked them quite loudly, "Are you ready for Release?" Only when they both answered positively, I acted.

Big Cholla:

Perhaps you should think about changing your "handle" to "Big Thumbper" instead? Glad things worked out well.

Regards,

Dave

........I've got nothing..........

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James L. "Jim" Rhiner

Amazing! Simply amazing!

I never cease to be amazed at the things you can learn on this forum..........as I sit here looking at my thumb and shake my head while thinking, NO WAY am I going to use this new information.

Don

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If dogs could talk to each other, you have to wonder how the story would be told by the dominant pit bull to his dog buddies later that day …

Now I know why the end of an ASP is shaped the way it is.

Talk about taking one for the team , but seriously, good on you for having the training and will to step in.

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I give this thread a big "Thumbs up". And kudos to you sir. I don't think I would have done that unless it was a human being attacked.

Amen! I do not see how this issue could have been resolved without someone getting seriously hurt without Big Cholla stepping in. Those two owners definitely had some luck with someone right there with his thumb on things.

I think it's time you buy some finger cots.

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Don

I guess this thread deserves a thumbs up.

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That'll cure anyone from sucking their thumb...I guess!!!
JIM............

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Outstanding -- there will not be a finer pun on this forum today or anytime soon.

Way to keep cool under, ahem, pressure. (I'd wink but you may stick a thumb in it.)

Thanks Salty: I had no idea what you were referring to until I Googled "finger cots". Never heard of them before this. ..... My wife after hearing this story told me to start carrying a Dr's. exam glove. I suggested that the time factor would probably negate the chance of ever getting it out and on the hand. ..... Back to the 'finger cots'. When I lived and hunted in cold and snowy Alaska, Washington and Colorado I would take a standard condom to place over the muzzle of my rifle to prevent getting an inadvertent plug of snow in the rifle barrel. Of course the condom had to be taped on to make it stay in place. It looks to me like these 'finger cots' would be ideal for that purpose. I love standard production items that have cross usage.

Long ago I used a penny balloon for barrel protector on my muzzle loader. Tight fit.

Bekeart

When I was working I put a box of them next to our Fax machine, with a sign saying we practice safe Fax.

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Don

If this was your entry for the most unusual post of the year, Lee would give you the trophy, declare you the winner of the century, and retire your jersey number.

If we ever meet, please forgive me if I don't turn my back to you.

What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas. We won't tell.

I had an arm lengthed glove I wore oncet upon a timer. My friends dad was trying to teach us how to check a cow to see if it was pregnant. Arm went in all the way to the pit, displaced processed food in the process. I did that once--once, learned my lesson. Don't know if I could do the thumb thing on a vicious dog though. You sir, are brave.

BTW after checking that cow, I had to go home and take a shower and get fresh clothes. One lesson I was taught, was to never go over to Shane's house on an early Saturday morning when his dad was home.

Oh sure you could, that end doesn't have teeth.

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Don

No but, cows can kick too.

My G'Pa told me of the times the circus came to Baltimore (downtown)..He and some other kids would get paid to put on a long rubber glove, climb up on a stool (no pun intended) and reach up the elephants butt and remove any manner of digested hay, so the elephants wouldn't drop it on the street during the parade, or in the ring in the tent.. My G'pa wouldn't tell a tale tale?? would he..??
JIM...................

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Of course it wasn't a tall tale - he needed a stool ...

Bekeart

Ringo: Back when I was raising Morgan Horses, I was taught by my Vet how to do that procedure on my bred mares to check for signs of being pregnant (in foal). I got good at it and kept a supply of those long latex gloves used in doing the job. I got so good at it my neighbors would ask me to check their mares too. It is not difficult and is not messy if one uses a little caution. I was never kicked or even stepped on. ....

My problem then was, I was only 10- or 11, still short too. This cow had plenty to scoop out and I also got squirted on. Non wonder Weh my friend Shane hated being home early Saturdays.

Sir, I admire your bravado, your knowledge, your manual dexterity, & your will to go where few men have gone before!

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So..........do you think my sticking a thumb up the arse of a Pit Bull qualifies me for a position on the staff of the Starship USS Enterprise? Beam me up Scotty, I'm ready......... :-)

Y'know, Big Cholla, I've always been favorably impressed with your posts, but I've really got to hand it to you on this one. You are definitely a better man than I am.

However, I think I would've done more than just washing my thumb off in the doggy drinking fountain. On the positive side, though, it'll sure keep you from sucking your thumb!

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A thumb in a dog is one thing but a whole arm in a cow or a horse is another, if I ever had to do that, I would make drink a few gallons of kaopectate first.

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Don

Thanks! When I got home and told the wife this story the lunch dishes were waiting to be washed. My wife after a few comments questioning my sanity asked me if I had scrubbed my hand as of yet. I said, "No, I thought that I would go wash the dishes for you since that always gets my hands really clean." She threw several doggy toys at me, fortunately they were all very soft toys. ......... :-)

There's a condom joke in here somewhere...all the pieces are there.

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But then, what do I know?

Sir, you really know how to lend a hand in a tight situation. Let us know how the second date goes. Thumbs up!

I wonder if that would work for my colonoscopy, gotta be better than that vile stuff you have to drink!

Sorry but no, and HELL no, if I gotta do that to make a dog let go of something I'll choose the other two options:

Let'em chew until they wanna let go.

Or just shoot one and get it over with....

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