What are your opinions on the Subaru or similar "crossover" SUV's?

I have a 2012 KIA Sportage SX with the 2.0L Turbo and six speed auto. I absolutely love it. 260hp and 270 torque. Gets 29mpg on the highway. Only about 22mpg city but that may be my right foot. Before this one I had a Chevy S-10 Blazer that was pretty much identical in footprint. For what I do, this size is perfect. The 10 year powertrain warranty on the KIA is nice as well.
 
I drove a 2014 CX-5 Grand Touring for 3 years. It was a terrific vehicle. Peppy, compliant, nimble, logical layout, deceptively roomy, reasonable MPG and well equipped. I never had an issue with it and it was only in the shop for routine maintenance. The OEM tires weren't the best for snow use. The only design issues I had with it were addressed with the gen 2 model in 2017. IMHO, it's the best crossover in a class full of great suvs
 
You only need to look at one thing to know which is the better car; resale value. Subarus hold their value better that just about any car.

We put 280K on ours before we gave it to someone in need. I would have one now, but they are pricey and used sellers command a high price.

A 4wd will have a two speed transfer case and I would assume AWD would have some sort of differential between the front and rear drive?
There is a kind of differential between front and rear drive of a Subaru. The front to back drive shaft has two concentric tubes with holes in them. There is a non-Newtonian grease in the tubes. As they slip, the heat from friction turns the grease into a solid and the shaft turns.

With this system, if a wheel in the front starts to slip, this will solidify the grease in the drive shaft and apply power to a rear wheel.

I agree with others. The big missing cog in Subaru design is power. If they had a 200hp or 250hp motor they wouldn't be able to produce them fast enough.
 
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Just my experience

I have only had ONE, a lease, 36000 mi, thank GOD. We lived on a dirt road in rural MN. It was an ANAMIL for getting out of snow but as it sat out each winter it got more noisy. I finally brought it in to Subaru at 30,000 and they told me "YES IT WILL RATTLE BECAUSE I DID NOT HAVE THE ENGINE CLEANED" I said ya the engine looks dusty, why? "NO THEY SAID, WE MUST CLEAN THE INSIDE OF THE ENGINE, 4 cyc, EVERY 25000 mi" WHAT??????

Yep, if you live where there is dirt that can get into the engine, WHICH IT USUALLY WILL, you MUST bring it in to have the ENGINE FLUSHED OUT.

I told them thanks but no thanks and kept it until the 36000 lease end and gave it back to them, NO MORE SUBARU'S
100% true story
 
Am I wrong in assuming, all other things being equal (weight, mileage, etc.) that a normally aspirated engine that is somewhat larger than a turbo engine, will last longer? My thinking is the smaller displacement turbo will have to work harder to produce the same performance as the normally aspirated one. More work means more heat generated and more wear on the parts.
 
We have two, our second and third. Our first was my wife's 2007 Outback, which did well except for a couple of things. The few times I drove it, I found it cramped for my legs, and uncomfortable to drive for long periods (such as here to Woodland CA to visit RottsOfFriends*). It had the older engine design, and just over 100K it got to the point it was going to need the head gasket problem addressed. It also only had the 5speed manual, and its legs were too short for highway driving IMHO. (Out here, 70+ is typical.) Given the head gasket issue and some other work needs, it was going to need enough work to cover roughly 4 months of payments on a new car. Given her weekly drive from her workplace and the house there to this house, and her bad back and aging dog, that seemed an easy decision.

I was impressed even as a passenger with how stable my wife's car felt in the snow, and bought my 2011 Legacy in February of that year. Roomier (I asked a taller cop I met at a class about he liked it for room, and he was all about it.) 6 speed manual - while first it a bit too talk for my preferences (old truck driver habit, I like to start by easing out the clutch with no gas), the longer legs really helped on the highway. Mine was about 900 rpm lower at highway speed, and I got a good 6 MPG better than my wife's car; usually more. I had a cooling fan die on a trip (with a dog, in the summer, so the car had to be on for the A/C when parked). That was a problem, as the closest dealer I got to did not have a replacement, but they were able to cobble up a temporary fix that got me by until I hit Champaign and had it replaced. At about 150K, I had to have the clutch replaced. Other than that, no real maintenance issues, and it is over 154K now, with no indication of needing other than regular maintenance.

My wife went with a 2018 Forester, nicely equipped (which forced us to have a sunroof, and I hate those). Mileage was poor initially, until we took another trip to RottsOfFriends (700 miles, 12 hours, each way, in 2 days). It did very well, and the mileage went up a lot during and after the trip. It had enough room for a Rott sized crate, which was a useful thing while introducing Ted to his new sister Ruby.

Impreza/CrossTrek: these are smaller and cheaper, more like starter cars. Still adequately reliable, and decent in the slop from what I am told. When trade time comes, I might do that, with the goal of renting something bigger for trips. I might get another Legacy. Overall, we have been happy with them. The dealers we have used have lifetime oil change plans, which are cheap compared to the miles we drive - on my Legacy, it went through a change a month during my busiest commute period (62 miles each way to work for 3 years). Subarus will not be perfect for every purchaser, but have been good for us. One of the ways in which they have been really great is that although most of Washington does not get significant snow (6-9" inches overnight is not a storm, you ninnies, it is flurries)**, the road plowing is utterly abysmal. In the 25+ years we have been here, I have not seen anything that is big enough to be considered a plow - they are little toys. There have been several times when the capability of the cars has kept us from being stranded a a result of the poor plowing (close an Interstate? Really? And still have a job? Oh FFS.).

*Dog rescue in Woodland, mostly Rotts, some other hard to place dogs. Renee is a tough, no BS lady, but really savvy. We have adopted two dogs from her, and even with all the baggage of adult rescues, they are good dogs. Someone needs to go adopt Rhino (RottXBoerboel, kinda ugly with his bumpy head, but a really good boy other than with other dogs) and Keeva (sweet pitty girl who managed to anger Ted; very muscular and LOVES people).

** I grew up .5 mile from where the Genesee River runs into Lake Ontario. I've seen 40" in 24 hours - which closed the schools for two days. The wimp mindset here is galling.
 
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More work means more heat generated and more wear on the parts.
Turbos generate more heat, but not because of working harder. They're driven by the exhaust which just causes more heat.

However, I don't think they're really working "harder" to create the horsepower. A turbo is much more efficient. It forces the air in which makes it easier to burn. A normally aspirated engine must draw the air in which doesn't burn as easily.

That's a very low brow interpretation. I'm not really experienced in turbo design. I've only had one turbo and it's great, but does have some quirks. My turbo failed at about 100K miles. That was a $1,500 repair. I've heard that they can go much further, but can't verify that.

As for the engine itself, if it's built for a turbo, it should last just as long as any other engine.
 
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Black wheels....oh dear. :(
 
If looking for a car to just to drive they're not bad .. but repair costs will be high if any are needed ..

If looking for a 4x4 then look at a Jeep Model !!

Edit : many of the newer vehicles these next few years will have the
turn engine off when stopped .. its the only way they will be able to reach the MPH requirement the government has set for them to achieve ..
 
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I have only had ONE, a lease, 36000 mi, thank GOD. We lived on a dirt road in rural MN. It was an ANAMIL for getting out of snow but as it sat out each winter it got more noisy. I finally brought it in to Subaru at 30,000 and they told me "YES IT WILL RATTLE BECAUSE I DID NOT HAVE THE ENGINE CLEANED" I said ya the engine looks dusty, why? "NO THEY SAID, WE MUST CLEAN THE INSIDE OF THE ENGINE, 4 cyc, EVERY 25000 mi" WHAT??????

Yep, if you live where there is dirt that can get into the engine, WHICH IT USUALLY WILL, you MUST bring it in to have the ENGINE FLUSHED OUT.

I told them thanks but no thanks and kept it until the 36000 lease end and gave it back to them, NO MORE SUBARU'S
100% true story

That information was not in either the 2008 Outback manual maintenance schedule nor the 2015 Foresters.
 
My buddy's garage has a new trans in the shop for installation every week..he is also good at replacing head gaskets on Subaru'$....
 
I have only had ONE, a lease, 36000 mi, thank GOD. We lived on a dirt road in rural MN. It was an ANAMIL for getting out of snow but as it sat out each winter it got more noisy. I finally brought it in to Subaru at 30,000 and they told me "YES IT WILL RATTLE BECAUSE I DID NOT HAVE THE ENGINE CLEANED" I said ya the engine looks dusty, why? "NO THEY SAID, WE MUST CLEAN THE INSIDE OF THE ENGINE, 4 cyc, EVERY 25000 mi" WHAT??????

Yep, if you live where there is dirt that can get into the engine, WHICH IT USUALLY WILL, you MUST bring it in to have the ENGINE FLUSHED OUT.

I told them thanks but no thanks and kept it until the 36000 lease end and gave it back to them, NO MORE SUBARU'S
100% true story

did some research on this issue ... I think your stealership was playing poker with a warranty repair here
 
Crossover SUV's

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word for word (don't do that very often).

Very interesting Thread, thank you for all the Opinions.

I researched and looked at a lot of SUV stuff.
I wanted something. I ended up buying the Jeep
Cherokee. In 2017 April Jeep had huge incentives.

Mine's is loaded with just about every option, but
the Fold in side mirrors, the stupid sun roof, and
auto tail gate foot thingy. Just under $30K

I ended up with the Cherokee (I hated them because
of the Front). The Salesman said just test drive it.

Man, upon taking off I liked it. 270 horse power
no turbo, Cherokee got up and moved!

Only bad thing it's got so much electronics on it like
everything these days. Got the Zurich extended
insurance which of course added to the price.

A year later it is good so far with 16k on it. The
Gas Mileage at times approaches 32mpg (over all
my trips keeping tally it is, looking at notes, 26.5mpg).

Anyway, in my opinion the Earth's transportation
vehicles should be only SUV's/COV's and Pickups!

If you live in SD and have a Car your dumb.

P.S. I see Government Motors (GM) and Ford are
going that way (less car models), yea!
 

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If you live in SD and have a Car your dumb.

P.S. I see Government Motors (GM) and Ford are
going that way (less car models), yea!

so said many in Wisconsin.
Id often wave at them as I drove by in my Mustang after their arrogance put then headlight deep into ice and snow.
Its not the metal, it's the mental, and the understanding that when the coefficient of friction hits zero, all vehicles become equal.
Operators there of .... are not.
 
I'm a retired Mechanic. I've had nothing but 4 wheel or all wheel drive since my first new truck, a '69 F100 (one exception, I had a company paid for Porsche 911 when I worked for Porsche in Germany, didn't drive it in the snow). Since I retired I drive a 2014 Forester, I can load all my shooting stuff, plus the wife and dog, drive it to the match and back. No muss no fuss. I hate fixing cars so I don't anymore. If the Subaru starts giving be trouble, I'll get a new one. For towing my wife's car is a 2010 Toyota FJ Cruiser. I towed my 1947 Willys CJ2A on a trailer to Colorado and back and averaged around 20 MPG. The Willys gets 19 MPG if I stay out of low range. The advantage of AWD over 4WD is that you have to engage 4WD for it to function, this is great if you know that you're going off road or trying to go through deep snow. Not so much when you're going over a pass at 70 mph and run into snow. With 4WD, you're still in 2WD, AWD is a no brainer. Older Subaru's had head gasket, and timing belt issues, The new ones don't have a T belt, and the headgasket issues were a design that has since been changed.

See, it does snow in Seattle. The snow removal system is called MELT. :D
 

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