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"Nexus" and The SCOTUS Wayfair Decision

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I have not seen any forum posts at all on this subject. In the past six years that I have been a forum member, I have derived tremendous benefits from the exchange of knowledge and information from other forum members. I'd like to share some of the knowledge that I now have that could (or will) affect all of us. That's the sole purpose for my post. Don't shoot the messenger!

In June 2018 the United States Supreme Court made a significant decision related to the collection of sales taxes from out-of-state sellers and buyers in "The State of South Dakota vs. Wayfair Incorporated".

Your opinions may be significantly different from mine.

I just completed a Continuing Professional Education (CPE) webinar today from the State of Texas Comptroller's office on the subject of franchise taxes. Their franchise tax is similar in form to a state income tax on businesses. At the conclusion of the webinar I submitted a question to the Moderator related to the state's plan for the implementation of the June 21, 2018 United States Supreme Court decision in the Wayfair case. The subject matter for this landmark case included both the standards for the levying of state sales taxes and the establishment of a "Nexus" from out-of-state sellers.

In response to the "Nexus" definition question:

What establishes nexus in a state?

Nexus, also called "sufficient physical presence", is a legal term that refers to the requirement for companies doing business in a state to collect and pay tax on sales in that state. For example, if you sell goods or services in Los Angeles, you must file and pay California state taxes.

For many years this issue has predominantly been associated with Internet sales across state lines. In a past court decision in the Quill Corporation vs. the State of North Dakota “ a physical presence" (brick and mortar facility] was required before there was a "Nexus" established and a requirement to collect state sales taxes. The Quill decision explains why many Internet sellers (i.e. Amazon and Cabelas) are now collecting state sales taxes in the location of the Buyer, at the Buyer's local rate. This situation did not occur in the past.

In June of this year in the Wayfair decision, the U. S. Supreme Court (SCOTUS) ruled that the brick and mortar presence standard in Quill was "unsound and incorrect". The Supreme Court overruled Quill and ruled in favor of the State of South Dakota, and not Wayfair Inc.

The rule for collecting sales taxes from sales to residents of South Dakota is that if you: a) have annual sales of $200,000 or more OR b) have 200 or more transactions each year you must collect, remit, and report sales taxes. As you might expect, this same standard is not the same for all states, and not all of the states have realized that they just won the "Power Ball Jackpot" for fixing their revenue and budget deficit problems. This hyperlink is a very good starting point - Update on State Responses to Wayfair - Sikich LLP My recommendation is to contact the state comptroller's office.

I'm chugging (choogling ??) along in the webinar and thinking to myself, if the states now have a license to kill for the collection of sales taxes, what about state income taxes???

Here's the response that I received this afternoon from the Texas Comptroller's office that has some excellent information, references with hyperlinks, and that also includes a Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) section.-https://comptroller.texas.gov/taxes/sales/remote-sellers.php

I was right on target!

What does all of this mean for us????

Individual states can now, or will in the future, require that:

1. More out-of-state and Internet sellers increase the prices that we pay for the collection of our state sales taxes;

2. In the future (probably 2019 or 2020) Sellers will probably (To Be Determined) have to determine if they also have met the nexus standard for each individual state's standard, then collect, remit, and report sales taxes;

3. Depending on the state requirements, sellers may now also be required to report, file and remit state income taxes.

What can be done? Not a whole lot. The cards have already been dealt. However, this post should allow all of us to get started. The keyword is Wayfair. If you see any reports or posts, or articles on this subject take the time to read it. Then ask questions.

As buyers, the information above should explain current and future price increases.

If you are a seller, start looking at your sales by state and then research the Nexus standards for that state. Start planning now to meet these standards. As we say in my profession, "Ignorance of the law is not a defense"! Since each state will probably have different reporting and compliance standards, it's impossible to make a general statement as to whether or not you will be affected by this SCOTUS decision. The Sikich hyperlink above provides some current information, but this is an evolving situation that may change from year to year.

From my perspective, if you are considering a large purchase amount from an out-of-state or Internet seller, then December 2018 may be a great time (financially) to "Pull the trigger"!!!

Bill
 
My big question is, how are they going to enforce it?
If I have no physical presence in California, and sell to Californians, are they going to send someone across two state lines to come collect it if I don't pay it? And how are they going to know that I "owe" them sales tax in the first place? Unless there is some kind of centralized sales taxation database created by federal law that says I have to disclose the locations of my customers, who is going to tell California that I sold anything to residents of their state?
Really interested in understanding how they plan to figure out that I "owe" them anything and how they plan to collect it even if they do. What was their take on those questions at the webinar you attended? Assuming someone asked of course...
 
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There are a lot of unanswered questions - such as does the ruling affect casual sellers of merchandise across state lines on auction sites such eBay (or Craigslist or GunBroker or even on this forum) by those who are not in the business of selling? The income tax angle is another. I believe Texas has a sales tax exemption for most casual sales, i.e. selling on classified ads, garage sales, to your next door neighbor, etc. but I don't know the exact definition of a casual sale. At least so far, Texas has no individual income tax, so that shouldn't be an issue for Texas residents selling to other Texas residents. Maybe not so in other states.
 
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Thanks for the information, I hadn’t heard about this yet. This is death by a thousand cuts...! Seems as though the cards are always stacked against us economic slaves, as the powers that be continue to have their way with us.

The truth is there will never be enough tax revenue to satisfy these government agencies that continue to spend more than they make, it’ll never change. The result is less and less money in the pockets of us fools that work for a living.
 
There was a thread on this forum that discussed the collection of sales tax from online sales by out-of-state vendors. In that thread, I posted this image of a letter sent by one vendor to it's customers in one state.

Newegg.jpg
 
So far my OP is being received by everyone in exactly the manner in which I had hoped that it would be. Many thanks!

Strange - why hasn't this been all over the news media?? This could be a lot more important to all Americans than the diatribe that we see every day!

For BC38 as to enforcement and compliance. I don't want to put all of my cards on the table, but there are several methods - audits of businesses engaged in similar activities as yours, inter-agency information sharing (i.e. Social Security-Internal Revenue Service-Veterans Administration-BATF, law enforcement agencies, etc) Professionally, I know that Federal, State, and local organizations share financial and tax information.

Unless it has changed, there is no Statute of Limitations for the underreporting of either revenue (businesses) or income (individuals).

dmar's opinions are exactly the same as mine.

For DWalt-That's how I read the situation today. I used the response from the State of Texas in my post because it's what I anticipated, and The Great State of Texas is a pretty good indicator for our Nation.

I can still remember the past post from bigwheelzip. Thanks for posting it again for us. I sure hope that other states don't implement this practice.

Brownell's and SGAmmo are two of my favorite sellers. It's really going to "frost my cookies" if (or when) they begin charging sales taxes on all of my purchases!!!

Bill
 
Been going on here for quite awhile. It was on the air for some time, depends on who or where you get your info. I used to get my dog supplies from Chewy.com until they started taxing. When asked why it was because they bought Pet Smart or Petco that has locations in NJ and now they're required to even tho they are in Pa.
 
PA started to call for declaration of and payment of a "use" tax on any out of state purchase for items taxable in PA and for which no sales tax was paid to the state of acquisition. The Department of Revenue added it to the state income tax returns. I don't know how they will enforce it except by the threat of an audit. I have made myself keep records through the year so that if there is ever a question I can show that I do most of my shopping in PA or face to face just over the border.
 
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Fortunately, it takes a while for most states to come up to speed on federal court cases. So I echo the advice to make big online purchases sooner rather than later. Having specialized in state and local taxation for longer than I care to admit, I have seen it go from states seeking to collect the legal tax to simply trying to get all they can collect. There are all kind of nice laws that taxpayers can site, but now if you sell over a certain amount, you now have nexus for sales and use tax and income tax nexus is coming. It does not necessarily follow that if you sell under the stated amount that you do not have nexus. The states do not have to send people to other jurisdictions to enforce their will, they can take money out of your account, put a lien on your house, car or business, arrest you switching planes at the airport, etc. They can also enforce through the IRS, so that your IRS refund can be diverted to the state. If you ignore their assessments - at some point (usually 90 days) - their demands become correct and enforceable under statute without regard to whether it was reasonable or not. If you are on officer or partner of a company that is putatively in arrears on sales and use tax, the states can hold you personally liable. Usually, materiality is an issue, so they will not spend $2,000 to collect $50, but I did have a client get a subpoena to a hearing in California over 90 cents. They said it was the principle and we paid to save money. When you buy online out of state, your home state is usually due "use tax" in the amount of the home state sales tax rate less any tax that you paid buying online or out of state. That has proven to difficult to collect as everyone ignored it.
 
My big question is, how are they going to enforce it?
If I have no physical presence in California, and sell to Californians, are they going to send someone across two state lines to come collect it if I don't pay it? And how are they going to know that I "owe" them sales tax ....

Just like with some gun laws, “they” don’t need to, because you individually don’t matter. As the OP explained, there are tools for hard cases, but that’s not the heart of the matter.

Despite the fact that whining about taxes has been a favorite pastime since the Revolution, our tax system is largely based on voluntary compliance. The vast majority of responsible citizens does not responds to constitutionally passed taxes with an obsession to avoid them.

Given how much trade is shifting online, I would say it’s high time that the tax system catches up especially in respect to sales taxes. That is all which nexus appears to be doing. If that means you pay more, tough luck.

If the duly elected government of your state has decided at some point to adopt a sales tax to finance its services, as most have done, why should a local store-based business suffer the competitive disadvantage of having its out-of-state online competitors weasel out of collecting the tax?
 
It's simple. It takes $X amount of dollars to run a state for a year.
They are going to get under one name or another.
Income tax
Sales tax
Corporate taxes
Property tax
Use taxes
Toll roads
Airport landings/boarding fees
Casino taxes

and the list goes on and on and on...


Just thought of this joke story.


The Audit

At the end of the tax year, the IRS office sent an inspector to audit the books of a local hospital. While the IRS agent was checking the books, he turned to the CFO of the hospital and said:

"I notice you buy a lot of bandages. What do you do with the end of the roll when there's too little left to be of any use?"

"Good question," noted the CFO. "We save them up and send them back to the bandage company and every once in a while, they send us a free roll."

"Oh," replied the auditor, somewhat disappointed that his unusual question had a practical answer. But on he went, in his obnoxious way. "What about all these plaster purchases? What do you do with what's left over after setting a cast on a patient?"

"Ah, yes," replied the CFO, realizing that the inspector was trying to trap him with an unanswerable question. "We save it and send it back to the manufacturer and every so often they will send us a free bag of plaster."

"I see," replied the auditor, thinking hard about how he could fluster the know-it-all CFO. "Well," he went on, "What do you do with all the remains from the circumcision surgeries?"

"Here, too, we do not waste," answered the CFO. "What we do is save all the little foreskins and send them to the IRS office, and about once a year, they send us a complete prxxk."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

If our “Founding Fathers” thought taxation without representation was bad,
they should see it now with representation.
 
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Thought of another one.


Tax his land, Tax his bed,
Tax the table at which he's fed.

Tax his tractor, Tax his mule,
Teach him taxes are the rule.

Tax his work, Tax his pay,
He works for peanuts; Anyway!

Tax his cow, Tax his goat,
Tax his pants, Tax his coat.

Taxhis ties, Tax his shirt,
Tax his work, Tax his dirt.

Tax his tobacco, Tax his drink,
Tax him if he tries to think.

Tax his cigars, Tax his beers ,
If he cries Tax his tears.

Tax his car, Tax his gas,
Find other ways to tax his axx.

Tax all he has Then let him know
That you won't be done till he has no dough.

When he screams and hollers, tax him more,
Tax him till he's good and sore.

Then tax his coffin, Tax his grave,
Tax the sod in which he's laid.

Put these words upon his tomb,
'Taxes drove me to my doom...'

When he's gone, do not relax,
Its time to apply the inheritance tax.



Accounts Receivable Tax
Building Permit Tax
CDL license Tax
Cigarette Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Dog License Tax
Excise Taxes
Federal Income Tax
Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax
Fuel Permit Tax
Gasoline Tax
Gross Receipts Tax
Hunting License Tax
Inheritance Tax
Inventory Tax
IRS Interest Charges IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
Liquor Tax
Luxury Taxes
Marriage License Tax
Medicare Tax
Personal Property Tax
Property Tax
Real Estate Tax
Service Charge Tax
Social Security Tax
Road Usage Tax
SalesTax
Recreational Vehicle Tax;
School Tax
State Income Tax
State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
Telephone Federal Excise Tax
Telephone Federal Universal Service FeeTax
Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Taxes
Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax
Telephone Recurring and Non-recurring Charges Tax
Telephone State and Local Tax
Telephone Usage Charge Tax
Utility Taxes
Vehicle License Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Watercraft Registration Tax
Well Permit Tax
Workers Compensation Tax

Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago,
and our nation was the most prosperous in the world.

We had absolutely no national debt, had the largest
middleclass in the world, and Mom stayed home to raise the kids.
What happened????
 
Quite simple. Folks not paying attention. If you own a small biz all those are deductible, only then do you realize just how many taxes you pay.
 
There was a thread on this forum that discussed the collection of sales tax from online sales by out-of-state vendors. In that thread, I posted this image of a letter sent by one vendor to it's customers in one state.

Newegg.jpg

Allegedly, we are supposed to do that in NV, too. However, nobody has ever seen a form for us to submit or ever got a phone answered in Carson City to ask where the forms might be.;)

I suspect that this may be an unintentional act of good sense. If you consider the small population of this state and the overall cost of dealing with this kind of tax, the state would likely be worse off overall.

As for the general principle of collecting tax on your out of state purchases, I'm surprised that it has taken this long to get to SCOTUS. I'm not surprised by the outcome, however.
 
Just like with some gun laws, “they” don’t need to, because you individually don’t matter. As the OP explained, there are tools for hard cases, but that’s not the heart of the matter.

Despite the fact that whining about taxes has been a favorite pastime since the Revolution, our tax system is largely based on voluntary compliance. The vast majority of responsible citizens does not responds to constitutionally passed taxes with an obsession to avoid them.

Given how much trade is shifting online, I would say it’s high time that the tax system catches up especially in respect to sales taxes. That is all which nexus appears to be doing. If that means you pay more, tough luck.

If the duly elected government of your state has decided at some point to adopt a sales tax to finance its services, as most have done, why should a local store-based business suffer the competitive disadvantage of having its out-of-state online competitors weasel out of collecting the tax?
How about because so many state legislatures have made their states so business unfriendly, that businesses have fled their jurisdictions to other more business-friendly climates? They have increased taxation, added regulations, piled on restrictions, and passed things like a $15 minimum wage to the point that businesses can't operate profitably. Now those same states are pursuing those businesses they drove away in an effort to continue to collect taxes from them. If they can succeed in that effort then they have no incentive to do anything to improve the economic climate that drove businesses away in the first place.

The theory of taxation on sales is that those paying the taxes derive some BENEFIT from the taxing jurisdiction, and/or place some burden on the taxing jurisdiction's infrastructure, and therefore are responsible to help fund the operations of said taxing jurisdiction. Taxes aren't supposed to be about the state simply wanting more money to spend - often wastefully - and therefore coming up with ever more creative ways to squeeze every cent possible out of every entity they possibly can.

If I own an internet only business in Washington, and sell something to a resident of Connecticut, my business did not burden Connecticut in any way, nor receive benefits from them in any way (fire, police, roads, etc.). The transaction itself did not impose any burden on them either - unless you want to count the delivery of the goods to their resident. Of course the delivery company is already paying sales taxes, business taxes, property taxes, vehicle licensing taxes, fuel taxes, and God knows how many other forms of taxes into their state coffers to more than fairly compensate the state for that slight "burden" on their infrastructure.

Yet although I derive no benefits from the state of Connecticut, and have no vote or say on their tax structure, I am expected to do the work (or pay for the work to be done) to calculate, collect, and forward the taxes they say are due to them without any compensation for the effort? That sounds a lot like indentured servitude. Or putting a burden on me and my business that amounts to taxation without representation, doesn't it?.

Of course we're all familiar with that phrase since it was one of the primary issues that lead to the revolutionary war that ended with our independence from Mother England some 230 years ago. I don't see that practice as being any more fair or equitable now than it was then. If states want to collect more taxes, start dialing back the restrictions and regulations that make the economic climate so hostile to business so that businesses will want to operate within the borders of your state. Grow your state's economy instead of trying to tax another state's economy.

FWIW, Washington is one of those states that has become so unfriendly to business that very nearly every manufacturing business has already packed up and left. Boeing is about the only major manufacturer of hard goods left in Seattle and they've moved a lot of jobs to other more business friendly states and even moved their headquarters to Chicago 17 years ago. Unfortunately, the state still didn't learn anything and continues to pass more taxes, regulations, and restrictions on businesses.

But I'll betcha Washington will be one of the first to REALLY jump on this out of state sales tax bandwagon - now that they've driven so much business out of state.
 
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South Carolina handles the collection of the taxes in question by categorizing them in a "Use Tax" line on state income tax forms.

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South Carolina handles the collection of the taxes in question by categorizing them in a "Use Tax" line on state income tax forms.

SC-Use-Tax.jpg

Yep, "sales and use", that's how they get us here in NV.

All imported guns are now taxed at the transferring FFL.
 
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