I've been watching this 1957-1960 western on You Tube. At first the posing, posturing, and general look of the guy in it, Pat Conway, looked very comic bookish. But he is actually very three dimensional and unlike Matt Dillon, he gets rattled and nervous sometimes when odds are against him. They cram pretty good stories in a half hour. And this sheriff who carries two long barreled Colts (not Great Westerns) in short highly tooled Ojala holsters takes his time shooting and uses his sights a lot. A Colt forum member posted this comparison pic of Hugh O'Brien who was taming the same town at the same time on a different channel.

So that's where the "Getto Gangsta" low ride belt (pants) idea started; Tombstone

Can't run in those rigs ....... explains the strange gait they used walking up to a gunfight on Main Street!

Yep, those are some low down guns!

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I liked that show. But why'd he wear holsters too short for the barrels?

Both those shows were used as sort of ongoing advertisements for Sansabelt pants.

They better not wait till they have to pee real bad.

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And a number 2 -
Will also be difficult to do -

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Cowboy action shooters have tons of trouble in port-a-potties donchano!

I watched every episode of Tombstone Territory and The Lone Ranger about two years ago. I forget the name of the channel that ran them but I was delighted to catch them all.

I could be mistaken but I think that Tombstone Territory is set in the mid-1880s. After 1881, actually. If you watch it again see what date the narrator uses. Most of the time TT uses fictional characters whereas "Wyatt Earp" used historical figures. The Earps left Tombstone in 1881 which is why I think the dates in TT are always after that date.

Hollywood invented the buscadero holster. They're cool looking but not as practical as some others.

I would have to dig lout the DVD's to check it but I believe that in the first season of Hell on Wheels Anson Mount's gun barrel protruded from the bottom of his holster too.

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Not to mention Clit Eastwoods in ( ?some/all?) his Italian Westerns and Rick's Python in the Walking Dead

Watched them all, when I was young but I never figured out how.....

they never got those black pants dirty, with all the dust and dirt streets?

I enjoyed the old westerns when I was a kid, still do on the nostalgia channels. One thing that never occurred to me till lately. A group of bad guys take off, one good guy pursues. How come the bad guys never stopped and said, "Come get some, there's four of us, one of you." I know, it's Hollywood.

Fast guns don't want a vacuum holding their gun from drawing from the holster. Besides, it makes a very unprofessional 'pop' sound, or worse yet, a SLURP."

So, gunslingers in the know use an open end holster to prevent sucking the bullets out of the barrel in the act of drawing.


Actually I liked the premise, "True stories from the pages of the Tombstone Epitaph" and Clay Hollister. I think my favorite was the gunslinger that came to town looking for a fight when Clay called him out for what he was.

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They were physically fit as well. All hand tailored clothing. I would be afraid to bend over in those tight fitting pants.

Cooling.

terry

I have always wished you could gather a group of real cowboys and lawmen from those old west cow towns and let them watch some of these movies and TV shows. I think laughing would be the new leading cause of death for them, not gunfire or disease or being gored by a bull!

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"Tombstone Territory" was one of my regular favorite Saturday morning shows when I was a kid. There were several others...26 Men, Fury, Sky King, Andy's Gang, etc.

Re: "Wyatt Earp", (Hugh O'Brian), we saw him during a family outing to "Freedomland" in the Bronx, NY back in the day. He winked at my mom and my dad almost pulled him off his horse. LOL!

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Man those old westerns bring back great childhood memories .Laying in the living room floor at grandma and grandads house watching on their B&W tv.Then bolstering up my cap pistol and jumping on my horse( bicycle truthfully) and making the countryside safe for the chickens,hogs,cows .Id go thru four or five boxes of caps a Saturday but always kept one roll for backup just in case .I would pick up pop bottles after school and trade some for caps and BBs for my air rifle at the local store.Man o man good times indeed .

Could you imagine the outrage if any child walked around with cap guns and holster today? I no longer can fit into my original cowboy outfit, but at age 4 I was stylin' and probably even wore that outfit to church.

As far as I have researched back when I was doing SASS events, those trousers were very accurate for the era. No belt loops in the 1880s, so they were held up by your waist or by suspenders. Most experts say the buscadero rig, a low slung holster, was created by Hollywood for the Westerns of the 1920s, so actors could draw faster during the shoot-out scenes. Back in the 1880s, holsters were looped over the top of the gun belt. Low-slung holsters like the buscadero were very uncommon or even non-existent before the turn-of-the century.

Watch movies from true aficionados of western culture and garb like Tom Selleck or Sam Elliott to see authentic old-west clothing, arms, and holsters for proper styles.

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Good point about that vacuum. After watching a couple of these I of course put on my own Ojala rigs but with longer guns to try drawing them. Not once did the front sight catch on the bottom and the draw is no different than with my longer Ojala. But in a life or death situation, like shooting bad guys in Tombstone, I'd be concerned about this. Shane didn't care as his gun had no front sight.

thanks for the tip.
i'm always looking for old you tube westerns.
my hobby is B&W shows.

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The "White Hats" didn't have to do that. Ace or Duce!
They also didn't drink likker or visit the rooms upstairs.
And, they never caught the flu virus; or anything else.

Best,
Rick

And they had a life expectancy of about 40 years.
Teddy liked crossdraw.

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Now that picture of Teddy is a cool old picture,for a wealthy fella he sure went there and did that ,one of my all time hero’s.

I found an interesting fact about Tombstone Territory.

The 1958 episode titled "Johnny Ringo's Last Ride" was written by Sam Peckinpah.

Peckinpah, as everyone knows, went on to direct such classics as Ride the High Country, The Wild Bunch, The Getaway, and Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid, among others.

i finally saw tombstone territory.
it was hard to get to.
when i started typing it in, i got to t o m
n you tube offered tom n jerry.
that led to bugs bunny n i was lost.

today i went back determined n got to the show.
it is a quality show n fun to watch.
maybe not as good as early gunsmoke, but almost.
well worth watching.
hopefully, i can find johnny ringo's last ride.

peckenpah knew what he was doing.

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[QUOTE=susieqz;140289305]i finally saw tombstone territory.
it was hard to get to.
when i started typing it in, i got to t o m
n you tube offered tom n jerry.
that led to bugs bunny n i was lost.

today i went back determined n got to the show.
it is a quality show n fun to watch.
maybe not as good as early gunsmoke, but almost.
well worth watching.
hopefully, i can find johnny ringo's last ride.

Did deeper in the hole!
It’s there. I just watched it.
Ringo has a lady friend over in Charleston.
Have you been to Charleston? Arizona that is.
I have!

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I think I saw a couple of them directed by Tom Gries. He later directed Lee Marvin in Monte Walsh. I saw William Cannon as director of some episodes, one that he also acted in. Have to watch the Peckinpah one now.

I had a book once called "Guns of the Gunfighters" or something like that. Half of the book was dedicated to the real old time gunfighters, the other half was to TV and movie characters.

In there it was stated that especially in TV, the gun was as much a "character" as the actor in a lot of cases. And they wanted to show the gun. Hence the development of the low slung/low cut holster that showed off the gun to the best advantage. I suspect the short holster with the exposed barrel was along that line of thinking.

The buntline Colt from Wyatt Earp, "Yancy's" derringer, Johnny Yuma's cut down double gun, the chopped and channeled Winchester from "Wanted Dead or Alive" (complete with 45/70's in the cartridge belt), and of course John Wayne's loop lever Winchester are examples of guns that became characters.

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Note the letters on the camera. Bell & Howell?

what show is yancy on?
i haven't heard of him.

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You know the third guy from the left in the back row was dead, don't you? He was evidently posed with the '73 Winchester as a trophy.

John

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Yancy Derringer played from 1958-1959, starring Jock Mahoney.

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Yancy Derringer, stars Jock Mahoney.
No small wonder he carried a Deringer, he got them for free!
The show was underwhelming and only on for one session.
You want to see Jock do his thing?
The Range Rider!

Yancy Derringer - Wikipedia

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thanks, guys.
sorry to hear the show wasn't great.
i'll check range rider too.

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Indeed I did— Ned Christie, a noted outlaw and murderer of an US Marshal (although much of that came into dispute with historical scrunity). I have seen the original photograph and grew up in the area where this all occurred.

The Case of Ned Christie - Fort Smith National Historic Site (U.S. National Park Service)

Ned Christie's War - Wikipedia

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