Watched it last night. Terrific performances by Costner and Harrelson. Good movie.
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rdcl
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I watched this movie yesterday. I enjoyed it. Good movie.
I have to say though, I was a bit annoyed at the scene showing Bonnie Parker murdering the police officer......not so much because there is not any evidence of miss Parker actually murdering anyone, let alone a police officer.....but because I felt the scene was made only to make viewers more acceptable to the idea and ultimate plan of law enforcement shooting her down right alongside that punk Clyde Barrow.
I don't know if it is factual, but I found it interesting that Hamer and his partner carried single action revolvers instead of DA revolvers....or even semi-auto pistols. Strange if true.
Loved the gun shop scene! Notice how all the brand new guns (and future HIGHLY collectable) are carried out and loaded into Hamers car in a big bundle? Just a big pile of long arms.....no packaging, no concern about finish scratches!
To Hamer......these are simply tools to get the job done.
Highly recommend this movie. Now I want to read more about Frank Hamer.
Russ
I have to say though, I was a bit annoyed at the scene showing Bonnie Parker murdering the police officer......not so much because there is not any evidence of miss Parker actually murdering anyone, let alone a police officer.....but because I felt the scene was made only to make viewers more acceptable to the idea and ultimate plan of law enforcement shooting her down right alongside that punk Clyde Barrow.
I don't know if it is factual, but I found it interesting that Hamer and his partner carried single action revolvers instead of DA revolvers....or even semi-auto pistols. Strange if true.
Loved the gun shop scene! Notice how all the brand new guns (and future HIGHLY collectable) are carried out and loaded into Hamers car in a big bundle? Just a big pile of long arms.....no packaging, no concern about finish scratches!
To Hamer......these are simply tools to get the job done.
Highly recommend this movie. Now I want to read more about Frank Hamer.
Russ
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You might start with this article on Hamer’s guns:
The Guns of Frank Hamer >> Sight M1911
And I agree with you on Parker. Her glorification, especially in the 1967 movie, was a travesty, but going full-bore in the opposite direction and turning her into a psychotic killer isn’t supported by the evidence either.
I initially wondered about the final scene in Arcadiia, with the crowd around and almost in the car. That seemed weirdly staged to me, but then there was that historical photo in the end credits showing just that scene for real.
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I watched it yesterday when I was donating platelets. I had been reading this thread and when I found out the blood center had netflicks, it was a no-brainer. Well put together I thought, and I like both Costner and Harrelson. I think the parts that are known are presented factually. Other parts, like the facts surrounding the murder of the highway patrolman and the actual sequence of how the ambush took place have been presented so many different ways, that the actual facts have been lost to obscurity.
Did Ms. Parker shoot the dying patrolman in the face when he lay there helpless, or did she sit in the car horrified as Barrow and Methvin executed them? We will probably never know, but I think she did and if not, she is still a murderess who ultimately got what she deserved.
Did any of the posse give a verbal warning? There are as many answers as there were possemen. It seems the only thing they mostly agree upon was that Alcorn prematurely started the fusillade with his first shot.
I think the movie accurately portrays the known facts and fills in the blanks better than most “faction” portrayals of historic events do. All in all, it was an entertaining way to pass a couple of hours with needles in both arms.
Did Ms. Parker shoot the dying patrolman in the face when he lay there helpless, or did she sit in the car horrified as Barrow and Methvin executed them? We will probably never know, but I think she did and if not, she is still a murderess who ultimately got what she deserved.
Did any of the posse give a verbal warning? There are as many answers as there were possemen. It seems the only thing they mostly agree upon was that Alcorn prematurely started the fusillade with his first shot.
I think the movie accurately portrays the known facts and fills in the blanks better than most “faction” portrayals of historic events do. All in all, it was an entertaining way to pass a couple of hours with needles in both arms.
I'd preferred a movie on Frank Hamer's life, starting with how he got into Law Enforcement.
Regarding the movie itself, they did not go into detail on how corrupt Ma Ferguson was, probably afraid to offend feminists or the left.
On whether or not they gave a warning. Well, I doubt very much any warning was given at all.
These two criminals had murdered good men. I think the warning they got was the hail of bullets they justly received.
Oh, and who brushes up on their shooting skills by throwing bottles in the air and shooting them? No one.
Still very entertaining. I want to see a film on Jelly Bryce now.
Regarding the movie itself, they did not go into detail on how corrupt Ma Ferguson was, probably afraid to offend feminists or the left.
On whether or not they gave a warning. Well, I doubt very much any warning was given at all.
These two criminals had murdered good men. I think the warning they got was the hail of bullets they justly received.
Oh, and who brushes up on their shooting skills by throwing bottles in the air and shooting them? No one.
Still very entertaining. I want to see a film on Jelly Bryce now.
In the original BnC movie Warren Beaty was cast as Clyde and Faye Dunaway as Bonnie. Never thought much about that until I saw actual pics of the REAL BnC. She should have be portrayed by a scag like Sandra Barnhardt and he should have been portrayed by some twerp like Giovanni Rabisi. To glorifiy their physical images was, to me, a lot more offensive than any mistakes they might have made with historical facts or gun mistakes.
They were scum and stone cold killers. I know times were hard and that Clyde was brutalize in prison but there is just no excuse or justification for the things they did. I believe they earned their ending and got just what they deserved. I know that todays liberal courts and media would not agree but I stand by my feelings. Rabid dogs, the both of them.
They were scum and stone cold killers. I know times were hard and that Clyde was brutalize in prison but there is just no excuse or justification for the things they did. I believe they earned their ending and got just what they deserved. I know that todays liberal courts and media would not agree but I stand by my feelings. Rabid dogs, the both of them.
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Just watched it. Good flick.
GRT3031,,,
After reading a book on Frank Hamer, I believe he was pretty noted for doing that and could handle that Colt very well .
I'm not doubting Frank Hamer's prowess with a gun.
Rather, poking at Hollywood.
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I thought it was a excellent character study of 2 old time Texas Peace Officers. From all the books I have studied about Frank Hamer, I think Costner nailed the real person. I don't really know much about Manny Gault, so I can't really speak with any authority but I think Woody did a good job.
Times were tough in those times and it took hard men to handle these problems. In those days, the bad guys knew what would happen to them when they decided to shoot it out with police. Now we are expected to beg them to surrender and need to be assaulted before we can put them down. Enough of an old cop's ramblings.
Times were tough in those times and it took hard men to handle these problems. In those days, the bad guys knew what would happen to them when they decided to shoot it out with police. Now we are expected to beg them to surrender and need to be assaulted before we can put them down. Enough of an old cop's ramblings.
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I read where Buck had a chunk of his skull shot away in the forehead, that you could see his brain through the hole. Bonnie or Clyde tried to treat the wound by dumping peroxide in it. When Lawmen interviewed Buck at the Hospital in Perry, Iowa, its reported they couldn't get within 5 feet of him because the smell emitting from the hole in his head was too bad.
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One of the things I liked about the movie was how the two main characters, Hamer and Gault, did not take killing lightly. Hamer was a lot easier with it than Gault, but still, it was not something — killing a man — that he treated lightly.
(Jim Cirillo not withstanding, I don’t think it is an easy thing for most of us. Not that I have any experience in that regard.)
I also liked the scene where Bonnie and Clyde having met their demise, the newspaperman says to Hamer, “New York paper says $1,000 for you if you do a phone interview.” Hamer looks at him briefly, ever so slightly shakes his head, and walks away. Gault says to the reporter, “You should be ashamed of yourself.”
I liked that.
(And I also liked how nondescript, and so very young, and dumb, those two gangsters looked just before they got nailed. No cinematic glamour for those two.)
And wanted to add: The movie also makes clear why Hamer and the lawmen set up an ambush and shot the absolute bejeez outta the two and their car. Bonnie and Clyde were stone cold killers, well armed and practiced. When Clyde’s foot slips off the brake, ‘cause he’s dead, and the car rolls forward, and the lawmen keep shooting with their pistols, well.. it’s like you’re not sure if the rattlesnake is dead yet, so you’re scared, and you’re aggressive, and your gonna be damn sure that snake is one dead *** before ya let up.
Yeah. I liked the movie.
(I also liked, at the climatic scene, “Stick ‘em up.” Well played.
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(Jim Cirillo not withstanding, I don’t think it is an easy thing for most of us. Not that I have any experience in that regard.)
I also liked the scene where Bonnie and Clyde having met their demise, the newspaperman says to Hamer, “New York paper says $1,000 for you if you do a phone interview.” Hamer looks at him briefly, ever so slightly shakes his head, and walks away. Gault says to the reporter, “You should be ashamed of yourself.”
I liked that.
(And I also liked how nondescript, and so very young, and dumb, those two gangsters looked just before they got nailed. No cinematic glamour for those two.)
And wanted to add: The movie also makes clear why Hamer and the lawmen set up an ambush and shot the absolute bejeez outta the two and their car. Bonnie and Clyde were stone cold killers, well armed and practiced. When Clyde’s foot slips off the brake, ‘cause he’s dead, and the car rolls forward, and the lawmen keep shooting with their pistols, well.. it’s like you’re not sure if the rattlesnake is dead yet, so you’re scared, and you’re aggressive, and your gonna be damn sure that snake is one dead *** before ya let up.
Yeah. I liked the movie.
(I also liked, at the climatic scene, “Stick ‘em up.” Well played.
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J. R. WEEMS
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Watched it tonight- WOW!! What a gun shop!
Would Love to have that nickled S&W 1917---
Watched it tonight- WOW!! What a gun shop!
Would Love to have that nickled S&W 1917---Watched it tonight- WOW!! What a gun shop!
"Its too shiney".
Decent film, Harrelson stole it IMHO. Not too difficult next to a stiff like Kostner. Read up on this incident, Hamer allegedly fired two shots in the encounter with the Model 8. One head shot each, then sat down and lit a cigarette.
SteveA
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I talked with my 93 year old dad about the movie after watching. At least here in East Central Kansas, that pair were not idolized. Everyone thought they were trash that needed to be disposed of properly. My dad can remember the death car being brought to the local Ford dealership shortly after the shooting. He went to see it with some friends. He said it really hadn't been cleaned out with blood and brains all over the interior. Quite a mess. I thought the movie well done, but did anyone notice the shotgun rounds in the dead patrolmen's hand appeared to be plastic?
THE PILGRIM
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I also like the closing scene on the
highway when they switch.
Maney finally got his wish.
highway when they switch.
Maney finally got his wish.
rdcl
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I noticed that.
As I stated earlier in my post, I also wondered why on earth they went around carrying single-action sixguns when they had DA & semi-autos
Russ
