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The poor (to say the least) performance of the Red Army against the Finns in the Winter War convinced Hitler that all he had to do was "kick down the front door and the whole rotten structure would collapse."
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A better interpretation may have been that the Finns were that tough.
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I disagree. Had the Germans stopped their wildly successful eastern expansion with the Baltic states, and a line down through Minsk, Kiev, and Odessa, inclusive, they could have held out against eventual Soviet counter attacks.
Barbarossa didn't have finite goals. With their outrageous initial success, it didn't occur to them to stop. Til they went too far.
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The Soviet/Russian soldiers worst nightmare! A lone Finn rifleman in the snow.
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Harsh conditions make tough people. The fact that the Finns are made of steel doesn't surprise me. The fact that it did surprise the Soviets baffles me.
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Rifles of the white death,
Where 4,000 Russians vs 32 Finnish soldiers and the 3,600 Russians retreated. The Russians thought Finland was going to be a push over. When hitler seen that Russia was having a hard time defeating the Finns that’s why the Germans invaded Russia. The captured Russian Morin’s were reworked and shimmed till they shot 1” moa.
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The Lockheed Martin F-35A Lightning II is Finland’s next multi-role fighter
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The second World war was a lot closer proposition than we like to remember today. The Finns were tough. One of the few nationalities integrated into elite German units. The Finnish battle reports make interesting reading.
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The second World war was a lot closer proposition than we like to remember today. The Finns were tough. One of the few nationalities integrated into elite German units. The Finnish battle reports make interesting reading.
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I hope that WW II is closer than the WW III
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If I’m correct didn’t the Russians win the winter war and got the chunk of Finnish land for access to another sea port that they wanted?
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Yes, they pushed the boundary 30 miles or so farther west from Leningrad, seized Finland's outlet to the Arctic Ocean. When he saw the new map one Soviet general said:"We have won enough ground to bury our dead."
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The Finns salvaged Russian shipwrecks that contained Mosin-Nagant riffles. Many were stripped and the receivers repurposed for Finn Mosins.
I have a Finn Mosin with the barrel dated 1943, but the receiver is dated 1898. The receiver is badly pitted and reblued.
My Mosin Model 39 (a total Finn manufacture) is the most accurate rifle I own.
While most Russian Mosins have good rifling in pitted, fouled barrels, all my Finns have shiny perfect bores.
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My Mosin Model 39 (a total Finn manufacture) is the most accurate rifle I own.
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I'd be very surprised if the receiver wasn't Russian. I think the Finns just got more thorough at scrubbing the Russian marks by the time they started M39 production.
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A question to the OP, what is the back story behind the 2 candles?
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A question to the OP, what is the back story behind the 2 candles?
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Independence Day (Finland - Wikipedia)
Two candles on the window have a long tradition in Finland. Candles tell of patriotism
"It is traditional for Finnish families to light two candles in each window of their home in the evening. This custom dates to the 1920s; but even earlier, candles had been placed in Finnish windows on poet Johan Ludvig Runeberg's birthday as a silent protest against Russian oppression. A popular legend has it that two candles were used as a sign to inform young Finnish men on their way to Sweden and Germany to become jägers that the house was ready to offer shelter and keep them hidden from the Russians"
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If I’m correct didn’t the Russians win the winter war and got the chunk of Finnish land for access to another sea port that they wanted?
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30.11.1939 Russia wanted to take over the whole of Finland, but we did not give up
Russia tried 22.6.1941 a second time, but that too remained an attempt.
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"The Battles of the Winter War!"
30 November 1939 - 13 March 1940
The epic battle of Finland against the Soviet Invasion
http://www.winterwar.com/index.htm
The Sausage War
http://www.strangehistory.net/2011/0...FcAA-m0kynNmeQ
Fire and Ice: The Winter War of Finland and Russia. Directed by Ben Strout, Produced by Ben Strout, Anne Fortier, Bair Irincheev, 2006
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During this month 82 years ago in 1939, The Winter War between Finland and The Soviet Union...
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30.11.1939 Russia wanted to take over the whole of Finland, but we did not give up
Russia tried 22.6.1941 a second time, but that too remained an attempt.
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Thank you for bringing up the bravery of the Finnish people.
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Slava Ukraine
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Finland may be the next target this time too. Another big prize that is non-NATO.
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They're so many of them and we are such a small country, where will we bury all of their bodies?
Old 1939 Finnish saying.
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Reminds me of the visit Kaiser Wilhem II made to Switzerland around 1910. He was obsessed with all things military, so the Swiss put on a very impressive demonstration of their soldiers' shooting skills.
KW turned to the officer in charge and said something like, "Well now; you have only 100,000 soldiers. What if I were to invade with 1 million soldiers?" Without missing a beat, the officer replied, "We would each shoot 10 times and then go home."
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Recent M-39 purchase from GB, dates to 1943 SK.Y on receiver.
These are very long and heavy rifles.
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About 6 years ago I sold a Finn M28. Perfect stock (probably a replacement) but the action and barrel had a lot of "patina", and had, as I remember, three different SNs, two of which were lined out. It had the Civil Guard "SY" stamp on the front receiver ring. It also had a Hammerli barrel. A guy drove all the way from Houston to buy it, and he was really happy to get it. He didn't even attempt to bargain. I think I got $400 for it, but I don't remember the exact price.
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My M39 is from year 1944. It has never served and it is like new.
I bought it over 20 years ago from an army weapons depot
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Yesterday was the 82nd anniversary of the end of the Winter War
In the morning at 09:00 there was a wreath-laying at the monument to the Winter War. The Finnish Ministry of Defense is behind it.
Veteran and monument
Because we stand with Ukraine
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Shoot it much?
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The brave Fins gave the Ukrainians a good example to duplicate.
So far, so good.
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Only C.I.P test shots have been fired with this rifle -> Lion's head logo.
Maybe one day I'll shoot for the first time.
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How Finland used the Motti tactic against Russians
Now Ukraine is trying the same.
Our Winter War took 105 days.
How long will it take Ukraine?
Sabaton - Talvisota Ukraine
Slava Ukraini!
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The Winter War legacy
Much of Finland’s preparedness stems from its own war with Moscow, which has echoes on the invasion of Ukraine. In 1939-40, Finns fought in the brutal Winter War to hold off the Soviet Union, but lost a large chunk of their territory as a result, including their most cosmopolitan city, Vyborg, and one of their main areas of industry. Rebuilding after this conflict, Finns vowed: never again.
“We have had hard experiences in history many times. We haven’t forgot it, it is in our DNA. That is why we have been very careful in maintaining our resilience,” says president Sauli Niinisto. He points to opinion polls suggesting about three-quarters of Finns are willing to fight for their country, by far the highest figure in Europe.
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“Some say we have fought 32 wars against Russia, others 42,” says Lindberg, the former chief of defence. “All I know is that Russia will always be there, and we know we will be ready.”
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US and Finnish soldiers kick off summer exercise | Article | The United States Army
Room Clear Training at Santahamina, Finland - YouTube
Finnish soldiers assigned to the Guard Jaeger Regiment and a U.S. Soldiers assigned to 3rd Armored Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division, begin room clearing training at Santahamina, Finland, June 28, 2022. The 3rd Brigade Combat Team and the Guard Jaeger Regiment of the Finnish army trained in Finland to strengthen relations and help build interoperability between the two nations. (U.S. Army video by Sgt. Andrew Greenwood)
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US Senate ratifies Finland's Nato bid | News | Yle Uutiset
US Senate ratifies Finland's Nato bid
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USS Kearsarge docks in Helsinki
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This kind of education aims to make sure that our partner’s troops could be transported from one place to another onboard Finnish boats. In this way, we develop our ability to plan joint FIN-US Marine operations to ensure the security of the Baltic Sea. #readiness #strongertogether #navyfi
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It was good to see the signing today.
You've a beautiful country, but I don't envy anyone doing military training near your many lakes during mosquito season. Brutal!
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83 years ago It startted, orcs attacked Finland.
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Was reading a story that reminded me of this thread. It's about a Finnish-American woman from Dallas Texas that left her studies at Columbia University at the beginning of Russia's Ukraine invasion, to fight for Ukraine. Her mother hates the idea, but her Finnish father told her "Go kill some Russkies".
Alexis Anttila, a U.S. woman fighting against Russian invaders in Ukraine
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04-01-2023, 03:06 AM
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Finland's NATO membership in the Official Gazette
The law on the approval of Finland's membership to NATO was published in the Official Gazette.
Finland's NATO membership in the Official Gazette
The law on the approval of Finland's membership to NATO was published in the Official Gazette.
News 01.04.2023 - 03:34
Finland's NATO membership in the Official Gazette
The bill on the approval of Finland's NATO membership was accepted in the General Assembly the previous day.
The law, approved by President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, was published in the Official Gazette and entered into force. Thus, Finland's NATO membership process was completed by Türkiye. Finland, which had previously received the approval of 29 NATO members, will become the 31st member of NATO with the approval of Turkey.
Finlandiya'nın NATO'ya "uyeliği Resmi Gazete'de - Son Dakika T"urkiye Haberleri | NTV Haber
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I spent about 24 hours in Finland a few year back on business visiting a couple of our plants. From what I could see, it is a beautiful country. Hope to make it back someday after I retire.
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A friend of mine in Vancouver BC is a professional choral singer with the Vancouver Chamber Choir, conducted by a Finn, Kari Turunen, who is taking the choir to Finland this summer. Paul is really looking forward to it. Hopefully "events" over there don't make it too dangerous to go- or to get back 
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