Just curious. How many of us are going to take the vaccine? Like many of you, I have underlying health issues....heart failure and a diabetic, but I am going to take it. any others?

I'm in the high-risk group, so I will be getting it at the first opportunity.

Is is truly a vaccine, or is it a shot? (like flu shot). Has it been properly vetted? How many people have died from it, and how many got real sick but the govmnt isn't telling us?

I dunno the answers, and I don't trust the govmnt. The polio, measles, scarlet fever vaccines, penicillin, etc, etc. took years to develop.

People get sick from flu shots and then get the flu anyway.

When enough time has passed and it looks to be safe, then I'll take it. Or, when .22 LR minimags gets back down to $0.05 / round, whichever comes first.

I spent two weeks taking care of my wife who was sick as a dog with the Covid. Never had a sniffle. I’ve either had it and didn’t know it, or can’t get it. Either way, no reason for a shot now. I’ll leave my dose for someone who wants it.

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Since I am not in a high risk group, I'll wait to see what the side effects are, if any.

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If you want to see how people feel about the upcoming vaccine, there are a few closed threads to read where lots of us have already expressed an opinion - which is how the threads got closed!

I know someone who has just taken the first step of the vaccine I'll be seeing their results and the results of thousands of others before I am qualified to be able to take it anyway.
Steve W

I probably will, age and a few bad health conditions make it a good risk. As far as affecting my DNA both my kids are in their 40s and I aint having any more!

If I understand the issues I will be in the 3 group to get offered the shot. Hopefully by then lots more info available!

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I’ll take the vaccine as soon as it’s available to me.

I can live with a sore arm for a day or two. Coronavirus isn’t as benign.

I saw on the local news where a couple of doctors were interviewed and they said the vaccine wasn't going to stop people from catching or transmitting the virus, it's to keep folks from getting really sick. Also, according to some articles the vaccines only offer protection for a limited amount of time, maybe three months.

Say I get a vaccinated in May, what happens in the fall/winter? A booster shot? After that, then what? Another shot? How long are you all prepared to keep getting vaccinated? What are the long term effects, if any?

This pandemic isn't ending with the vaccine as the government and media is implying.

I'm wondering why regular people aren't thinking further down the road and asking questions.

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Of course.

My wife and I will take the vaccine, whether it's Pfizer, Moderna or some other version, as soon as it is available to us.

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By the time it gets to my turn, there will be plenty of people who got it. We'll see then. Right now I don't believe any doctors these news people pick out unless they have a whole bunch of diplomas on their walls. Remember, not all doctors got straight As; some got Cs & Bs.

I'm not in a high risk category so I think I'll pass for now and see what the results look like down stream a bit.

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For now anyway, I don't plan to get it unless I am forced, since there is a 99% (or so) survival rate.

I will wait for others to be the Guinea pigs.

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I will not take it for 2 reasons:

1. I've had it and it appears B cell immunity lasts 10 years or so.

2. It appears that the present vaccine has enough human tissue markers to pre-prime the immune system and cause an autoimmune reaction upon exposure to the live virus.

See:

Pathogenic priming likely contributes to serious and critical illness and mortality in COVID-19 via autoimmunity - ScienceDirect

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I live and work overseas so I would likely need to be immunized before I can enter foreign countries without having to quarantine; that said, I’d get vaccinated anyway.

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NO WAY IN HELL....
I was one of the many who were "Lucky" enough to have been forced to take the Swine Flu vaccination in '76.
I was in the ICU for 3 days due to the vaccine. It seems that this bug has an over 95% survival rate. I'll take my chances on getting over the bug with my immune system than having to deal with a vaccine that hasn't been tested enough before use (I'm not going to be a lab rat again)

I wouldn't dare, everytime I get a shot for something, I get it, I got 3 flu shots over the years and got the flu 3 times, I can't remember the last time I had a cold.

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Personally, I have 4 major reasons why neither I nor my children will take these vaccines. However, I will NOT share these reasons, because I WILL NOT be the person that gets this thread shutdown.

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Maybe...in 5-7 years.

As soon as it’s available. I’m on borrowed time as it is lol

Never had a Flu shot and never had the Flu. I will not take the Covid vaccine either voluntarily or by mandate. Right now they're saying that two shots are necessary. That suggests to me that the vaccine was rushed and it's more of a "feel good" measure than a fix.

I don't expect to live forever but at age 69 my habits have kept me pretty healthy so far. No vaccine for me. That's my decision and is by no means an attempt to argue what others should do for themselves.

The shingles shot was two part as well. It wasn't rushed.
Yes, I'm getting the covid vaccine just like I got the shingrix shots. I can't see turning down free technology that might spare my life.

If I had known I was gonna make it this long, I might have taken better care of myself . . .

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The issue continues to be raised without merit about how long the protection will last.

The labs can only say three months because that's the longest anyone has taken the vaccine. They CAN NOT tell anyone it will last forever until forever arrives. They anticipate that it will protect you for a very long period, but until that is achieved; no one is allowed to say it.

There is no negative data about continuing protection. However, all the data we have is only 3 months worth.

Certainly for the scientific community, you have to prove protection length by showing it. You need long term studies to prove it and we just haven't had enough time.

I can't wait. I would go to the head of the line if they would let me.
85 and all kinds of health issues puts me in the dead duck category
if I should get the Covid.

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That's pretty much the definition of how vaccines work. If we can get enough people vaccinated quickly enough combined with social distancing and other basic health measures, the wild virus won't have anywhere to go to reproduce and spread, stopping the pandemic as the virus dies off. That's what happened with polio.

The more virulent/quick spreading the disease, the more people who will need to get vaccinated as quickly as possible.

If enough people refuse to get vaccinated and/or it takes too long to get to the critical mass of people who do (estimates are in the range of 70-80%) then the virus will elude all attempts to isolate it and let it die out - it will keep finding new victims to infect, reproduce and spread. Microbiology 101.

Never had a flu shot, never had the flu.
Having said that a lack of due diligence on my part leaves me undecided.
2 pt. vaccination, what percent immunity for how long?
I'll keep doing what I've done all along and try to alleviate my ignorance.

The vaccine doesn't keep people from getting and transmitting the virus, it's keeping them from getting really sick. Explain to how that will stop this virus from "finding new victims to infect, reproduce and spread". It doesn't.
Then add in world wide travel.

In fact we still have the flu after years of flu vaccines.

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I’m 75 years old in good health. I’m not getting the vaccine. I’m not afraid of it, I don’t get flu shots either.

Both my wife and I are in group 3 so it will be a while before it will be available, probably this spring or summer. By then I hope the info on side effects and allergic reactions will give us more of a choice. Then we'll have to decide which one to take.

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I'm not sure where you got that information on how the covid vaccine works. That is not how it is explained on the CDC web site. The vaccine is a preventative, not a therapeutic (which is apparently what you are describing).

From the CDC:

"How COVID-19 Vaccines Work

COVID-19 vaccines help our bodies develop immunity to the virus that causes COVID-19 without us having to get the illness. Different types of vaccines work in different ways to offer protection, but with all types of vaccines, the body is left with a supply of “memory” T-lymphocytes as well as B-lymphocytes that will remember how to fight that virus in the future."

As for world-wide travel, that is why every country on Earth is involved in this vaccination program. As for the flu, it's a different strain every year and not enough people get vaccinated to kill it off - we just accept 50-60K flu deaths every year in this country alone as "normal".

And for anyone else out there - the covid vaccines DO NOT alter your DNA. Certain vaccines use "mRNA" as a method of training our bodies into providing immunity. While these types of vaccines are relatively new (and probably the reason why they are so dang effective), this is science not science fiction. The zombie apocalypse has been cancelled due to lack of interest!

Possible side effects seems like a good reason to turn down the "free" technology that might ruin my life.

I got my information from the local media when they had two doctors who explained, how these particular vaccines worked. They made it a point to say that people can STILL get and transmit the virus despite getting the vaccine. They also made it a point to say that the vaccines is to lessen the severity of the symptoms not keep them from getting virus. The two people interviewed were infectious disease docs. I don't know why they would have any reason to lie.

The CDC can say whatever it wants. I ask questions as I really don't trust the .gov given it's history of telling the truth to the American people.

BTW you made my point about the flu vaccine and the reasons why it is still around. I'll say it again, vaccine or no vaccine, 'Rona is here to stay.

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I will of course! My Norwegian Heritage, "O" Negative Blood type,
and this DNA based Vaccine, I am guarantied triple protection.
The first two has got me by so far.

I am truly a very fortunate man. It's Survival of the Fittest at it's
best and I don't need anyone's permission to be Safe.

This is the Way.

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And here is what your doctors were most likely talking about...

From the CDC:

"It typically takes a few weeks for the body to produce T-lymphocytes and B-lymphocytes after vaccination. Therefore, it is possible that a person could be infected with the virus that causes COVID-19 just before or just after vaccination and then get sick because the vaccine did not have enough time to provide protection.

Sometimes after vaccination, the process of building immunity can cause symptoms, such as fever. These symptoms are normal and are a sign that the body is building immunity."

By definition, any medication that reduces symptoms after you have contracted the illness is a therapeutic, not a preventative (thank you, Merriam-Webster) The current covid vaccines are preventatives; the treatment the President received from Regeneron was a therapeutic because he already had the virus.

In order for your version from the "local media" to be true then the CDC would have to be lying, the FDA would have to be lying, and every company that developed one of these vaccines would have to be lying (of course not considering Johns Hopkins, the Mayo Clinic, and all other reputable medical authorities who agree with the CDC). I think it's more likely you misunderstood what those doctors were saying (or your "local media" got it messed up) and less likely that they disagreed with the CDC, et al.

Of course you can believe what you like. I can only show you where the library is; I can't force you to get a card...

never will understand anti-vaxxers, did they forget what Small Pox and Polio and other highly communicable diseases did to hundreds of millions before vaccines?
At the earliest opportunity wife (retired nurse manager with masters degree in public health and whose advice I follow) and I will take either the Phizer or Moderna vaccines, which have efficacies of 90 - 95%.
We will not, however, take the AstraZeneca vaccine which has a much lower efficacy of 60% to 90%. It will likely find it's market in third world countries where they will be desperate for anything.
And horror stories will likely emerge from Russia of disasterous side effects among the millions of Ruski's being forced to take the Sputnik vaccine which did not go through vetted clinical trials.

With all due respect, sir:

* The flu shot IS a vaccine.

* Your question presumes a negative to be true, and is therefore unprovable. There's no benefit to the government, or the pharmaceutical companies, from lying to us. There have been some reported side effects, as there are with many vaccines, but no reports yet of anyone getting sick or dying.

* Yes, other vaccines took years to develop. If you've read any of the news reports about this, the pharmaceutical companies took advantage of new technology and, with government support, developed this in record time. Why do you think it was dubbed "Operation Warp Speed"?

* You don't have to trust the government; it's not only the government promoting this vaccine. You can't turn on the news without seeing doctors of one sort or another urging us to get vaccinated, most of whom have no connection to the government, and no incentive to lie. I trust them.

* The annual flu vaccine has a relatively low effectiveness -- between 40% and 60% -- so yes, people take the flu vaccine and still get sick. This Covid vaccine is reported to be more than 90% effective.

I commend your willingness to take it eventually; best wishes to you for good health in the meantime.

My thinking is that the guy who busted his butt to finish dead last in his medical school class still knows more about medicine than I do...

On a serious note, I haven't seen any medical professional yet recommend against the vaccine.

With all due respect...

Some vaccines require two shots to reach full effectiveness. There's nothing suspicious about that.

I recently took both the pneumonia vaccine and the shingles vaccine, and they both required two shots administered a couple of months apart.

Of course I will get the vaccine. I am 40 years old so there will be millions ahead of me getting it.

I understand those with legitimate health concerns not getting vaccinated.

Anti vaxxers are a whole other sort that I will limit my comments on to avoid breaking forum rules, but in short I have no respect for them and hope they only harm themselves.

Sir! How dare you introduce logic and common sense into this discussion!

Sir! How dare you introduce science into this discussion!

I will also get it at the earliest opportunity.

As for the anti-vaxxers...The whole idea of vaccines is for the good of the society as a whole. The overwhelming vast majority of people who get them, will be perfectly fine. -BUT- there is a small , perhaps minuscule % of people/kids, who will get really sick... and some of them will even die. The government understands this risk, which is why they started the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program. So if you are the parent of a child in the vast majority, great! You can sleep tight. BUT if you are, god forbid, the parent of a child who got sick ....

You mention Polio. I know for a fact that the most prevalent cause of Polio for years was due to the vaccine. They would administer live doses because it was easier, and more cost effective to third world countries. And a small % of those kids would get polio. I believe, but am not sure that they pretty much use the dead virus now, so no chance of contracting it. At least I hope that is the case.

There is also the idea of big Pharma and the Gov being in cahoots in an industry that is worth multi, multi-billions. Doesn't leave me feeling all giddy about them looking out for my, or my kids best interests.

So to be clear I am NOT saying I agree with a lot of what anti-vaxxers are putting out there. But wanted to give maybe a little bit of context on where some of the anti vaxxers " or people like me, who are just a little more skeptical are coming from".

So although I am always skeptical of vaccines claims, I almost always get them or have had my kids get them...although more on my schedule and not what is always dictated.

Again I will be first in line to get this covid vaccine when it is available to me.

I will get it. I am at a high risk and I'm a little concerned of how it was fast-tracked, but I am not at the top of the list to receive the vaccination, that if there are any serious side effects or other issues from the vaccine, they would be discovered before the vaccination was available to me.

No, I made MY point about the flu - that not enough people take it seriously enough for us to eradicate it. We have been conditioned to accept that tens of thousands of flu deaths every year in this country alone are "normal". We have become so inured to it that it rarely even makes the news.

Your point doesn't explain polio, small pox, leprosy, HIV/AIDS and many more that enough people DID take seriously enough to actually do something about it. Just because the flu has killed/will kill a lot of people isn't a good enough reason to not at least TRY to solve the problem of covid. With over 300K Americans dead in ten months, we must refuse to allow this become the "new normal".

We are learning more and more every day, but at this point we simply don't know it all....maybe not even enough.

W are basing our conclusions on assumptions, best guesses and hope. We hope that it will go away if enough people are disease free, so that the spread will be curtailed. So, of course efforts are being taken to get everybody on board. Naturally doctors have to agree with the govmt as well, since its their best guess as well.

One thing for sure - if you have a hoarded supply of primers and powder, sell it now while the prices are ridiculous, and re-invest it in pharma stock. Then, if you do survive the covid you'll be a rich person.

Please disregard my off-the-wall comments. My wife lost her job and her business and she has been driving me nuts. Plus, without her income we may not be able to afford health insurance any more.

I'll take it just as soon as it is available to me.

At 58, with no serious comorbidities other than being overweight and childhood asthma, I won't be eligible until they've got pretty much all the health care workers, nursing home residents, retirement communities, people over 65, and people with more significant comorbidities than me. I figure I'm in about Group 4 on the priority list.

By that time there will be several million people who've taken it, so it will have proven itself safe beyond any reasonable doubt. Assuming I don't catch it before I'm eligible to take the vaccine of course.

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I'm truly very sorry that your wife lost her job. This virus has taken a terrible toll on our society in many, many ways.

Please accept my best wishes that you and your wife are able to get back on your feet soon.