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AJ, that would be divisional avn assets for 4 ID, and Co A served with 1st Cav Div early on. Co. A/B and Tp D, 1 Sqdn, 10th Cav. No connection here though. Hope someone comes up.
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The middle cartoon touches home. Got there July 69 and the draw down had already started. What am I doing here?
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My brother when questioned about bruises during an inspection claimed to have fell down the stair well.
Our platoon was in Quonset huts and bruises came from falling down in the shower.
I myself was never struck a real serious blow, by a DI. The punish the entire platoon for the error or failure of one recruit policy, caused some physically painful repercussions for repeat offenders by other recruits. Both my brother and I were called into the duty hut for a minor offense and made to endure some minor roughing up and serious verbal abuse while enduring some minor tortures. I believe everyone got rotated though that to see how they would respond. My brother jumped the fence in boot camp and ended up doing some time in disciplinary platoon. He said that was truly brutal. He did 4 years and never made pfc once as he had a habit of going home to see some girl. Once, when he was at 29 Palms he showed up at my barrack, on Pendelton, on a Sunday and stayed there till Tuesday riding the buses around base during the day and visiting me in the evenings when I was off duty. UA from one base hanging out at another. His daughter was a helicopter crew chief in Afghanistan and made Sgt. We joke that she out ranks us both.
It was what it was at the time. I have no regrets or ill will towards any of the DIs they had seen the war and were getting kids ready to survive it.
When I went back in Aug of 69 to visit MCRD on the 50th anniversary of standing on the yellow footprints, the senior DI who spend the morning showing me around told me that things are different now, but the end product remains the same. I hope so.
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Stairs in a quonset hut? Yea, OK. Thinking about 29 Stumps. I pity the fool.
There came a time at Ft. Rucker when the TAC officers could not put the WOCs in the front lean & rest on hot asphalt. Seems some hands were getting burned. About the same time, candidates were promoted to Wobbly One after 6 weeks of WOC-D (development) and finished flight school as W-1's Very strange. For those who don't know what a WOC is, it's what you throw at a wabbit.
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Only times a DI in basic “ applied discipline” to a trainee was ,IMHO when they deserved it. Once on rifle range when this idiot had a FTF or jam and swept half the line turning the M-16 around telling Sgt.” something is wrong with my gun”. DI hit him on his helmet liner with a range paddle. Had one guy that would not take showers, DI “ scheduled” a blanket part for him. Rest were the usual, “ drop and give me 50”.
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Only times a DI in basic “ applied discipline” to a trainee was ,IMHO when they deserved it. Once on rifle range when this idiot had a FTF or jam and swept half the line turning the M-16 around telling Sgt.” something is wrong with my gun”. DI hit him on his helmet liner with a range paddle. Had one guy that would not take showers, DI “ scheduled” a blanket part for him. Rest were the usual, “ drop and give me 50”.
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I never said anything about stairs in a Quonset. Reading it again. I said my brother used that excuse. He was in a newer 3 story concrete barrack. I was the one in the Quonset huts and we "fell down" in the shower.
You guys were in a kinder gentler boot camp than the Marine corps ran at that time. I witnessed plenty of guys get hit. I suppose no throat grabbing either.
Funny story, August in San Diego, getting screamed at and doing bends and thrusts in the sand. Guy passes out, DI goes over and feels him, says "bury him he is dead" I kid you not, people start throwing sand sand on the guy. DI starts screaming "stop, stop we will all go the jail."
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I had one of my Sgt's go to PI as a DI. Within six months he was back. I asked him what happened. He said I treated the Recruits like he had been treated. In the six months he had amassed 180 counts of troop abuse. They sent him back to us and somehow the charges got lost.
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We called throat grabbing a "sling adjuster" at Parris Island.
I had one of my Sgt's go to PI as a DI. Within six months he was back. I asked him what happened. He said I treated the Recruits like he had been treated. In the six months he had amassed 180 counts of troop abuse. The sent him back to us and somehow the charges got lost.
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When I went back to MCRD a couple years ago I saw they still had the cement wash stations to wash their clothes. The Gunny who was showing me around said he had first been a "HAT" in PI and the recruits there got their laundry done for them. But, I bet the PI guys still cal the San Diego guys "Hollywood Marines" LOL
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What time frame was it the Sargent got bumped from DI duty??
When I went back to MCRD a couple years ago I saw they still had the cement wash stations to wash their clothes. The Gunny who was showing me around said he had first been a "HAT" in PI and the recruits there got their laundry done for them. But, I bet the PI guys still cal the San Diego guys "Hollywood Marines" LOL
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I have been to PI three times. For my turn in boot camp, back as a 1stSgt to pick up clothing for our troops for an IG Inspection (had to laugh at the DI's staying away from those chevrons with a diamond in the middle), and for my Grandson's graduation (48 years after mine). Had a guided tour by two "Hats" that day. One was a friends Niece and her husband, both were there as DI's at the time.
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Over weight guys were called fat hogs and were only allowed certain food in mess hall. If they did not lose and get in shape it was off the physical fitness platoon for them. PF platoon sounded far worse than "normal" boot camp and also meant more time before you could leave boot camp. We had a guy join us part way through who had been in PF platoon. He said it was bad, but he was in pretty good shape when he came to us. I won't say what happened to a fat hog in our platoon who got caught with a piece of cake in the mess hall. Not pretty at all.
I was a distance and cross country runner in HS, played defensive tackle, and spend my summers stacking hay. It was still a physical grind, just turning 18 I was not ready for the mental part. LMAO
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Summer 1971 at Ft Campbell, was so hot, hotter than a snakes rear end in a wagon rut we had guys fall out from the heat. DI’s Made Sure we ate salt tablets like candy, didn’t bother me at all. We had a “ fat guy” that was a Majors son. He thought he had his Dads rank but after couple weeks he couldn’t hack any PT so he was “ recycled”. Off to some strict diet platoon?, never saw him again. Our platoon Sgt. was a great guy. He had a few “ talks” with us, simple instructions on how it was going to be, just suck it up and get through basic. All our DI’s were Vietnam Veterans except the few weeks we had some N.G. wanna be’s.
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I was 17 years 3 months old when I got to Boot Camp. I was 5'10" and weighed 123 lbs. with a 28 inch waist. On graduation I weighed 165 lbs., still had the 28 inch waist. Was in the best shape of my life.
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I was 17 years 3 months old when I got to Boot Camp. I was 5'10" and weighed 123 lbs. with a 28 inch waist. On graduation I weighed 165 lbs., still had the 28 inch waist. Was in the best shape of my life.
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Probably instructed to eat extra. I got there at 6'1" and 1 about 180, left at 200# and in great shape. Run my 3 miles in just a bit under 18 minutes wearing boots.
I hated having duck for lunch. Duck in and duck right back out.
Another story. We had pulled mess duty well before going to the range, so knew how mess hall operated. . We went to the range and come back. Now we have bloused trousers, starched covers and our top button undone. Now when we are done with chow we get to stand around behind the mess hall a few minutes until everyone is done and DIs come out. One of the guys in our squad was a red headed kid named Hicks. In the morning he told me and some other guys in the squad to have a clean sock with us to noon chow and hurry through with chow. We get out behind the mess haul and Hicks goes in one of the big open back doors by the ovens. There are sheets of cookies on a rack and he starts loading a bunch of them in a sack. Some poor kid on mess duty says hey, Hicks lit into him. What you talking to me for you CS eyed puddle of puke etc. Kid backs away not knowing who or what Hicks is. We split up the cookies and load them our socks. Down our bloused trousers they go. The great cookie heist.
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[QUOTE=steelslaver;Kid backs away not knowing who or what Hicks is. We split up the cookies and load them our socks. Down our bloused trousers they go. The great cookie heist.[/QUOTE]
Back at P.I. in '65 we lived in the old WWII barracks. It came time for our platoon to get guard duty (fire watch). I was the sargent of the guard and would take the relief crew around about two in the morning. Part of the detail was to have someone in the unmarried NCO barracks. They would walk around making sure there were no fires. In the lower section of the barracks was the kitchen and vending machines. One night we took a couple of pillow cases and told the guy in the barracks to meet in the kitchen at the appropriate time. We collected change from a couple of friends. When the time came we made it to the kitchen and got a couple of pies. Then I went to the vending machines to get the goods. Here it is the dead of night and as I put the quarters in the machined they made the loudest clanging sound I have ever heard. Then pulling the lever and waiting for the candy bar to fall and hit the bin. I thought my heart was going to stop. Got about six candy bars and made it back to the street and then back to the barracks to enjoy the spoils of our escapade.
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In 1969 Ft. Rucker still used those old wooden barracks and some poor candidate had to stand fire watch each night and stoke the coal furnaces in the winter. I was newly married and lived off post in a trailer park in Newton, AL. so I escaped that fun.
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In boot camp even the guys in the concrete barracks as well as the ones in metal quonsets had fire-watch duty. 2 hours of lost sleep and had to wake "bed wetters" escort them to the head and wait to see them go. If that failed they were then placed on a top bunk without a mattress with the biggest meanest recruit on the bottom.
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The last time I was at MCAS Cherry Point they still had some WW II barracks left. In the 1950's they had bricked up the outside of the barracks to "modernize" them. We had the same barracks at NAS Jacksonville, Fl. when I went to school there, except no brick. MCRD Parris Island still used WW II barracks for 1st and 2nd Recruit Training Battalion barracks into the 70's. I was in the 3rd Battalion and had the new brick barracks. In 2017 they tore down my old barracks. we were there for my Grandson graduation. I have a brick on a bookcase that came from those barracks. Is not worth anything and does not mean anything to anybody but me and I will keep it until I take my dirt nap
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When I went back to MCRD the gunny showed me the only 2 remaining metal quonesets. They invoked some memories. So much had change. I had no idea if either was "mine". I stood there a while though. Lotta thoughts. Having a screw or something would be great. Should have picked up just a hand full of sand I guess. During the countless hours in the "pits" doing PT and watching some small shell move as the sand slid around from my movement.
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Lot of mess hall humor, but I have to say that most of the time the chow was pretty good. Most of the C rats were not thee greatest, but with some help they were OK. The few times I ate at field kitchens the food was fine. The cooks tried hard and I was told a good mess Sgt was valued, protected and by the unit CO and bad ones found life miserable.
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Lot of mess hall humor, but I have to say that most of the time the chow was pretty good. Most of the C rats were not thee greatest, but with some help they were OK. The few times I ate at field kitchens the food was fine. The cooks tried hard and I was told a good mess Sgt was valued, protected and by the unit CO and bad ones found life miserable.
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I thoroughly enjoy this thread. My first 9 years of service,55-64, was with the Corps. I went through San Diego. I got out because I was PO'd at the change in rank structure where I had to make Sgt twice and wait twice as long for SSgt. and was assigned duty that I hated. .
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Nice certificate, all we got was here are are your orders, now get on the bus!
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A couple for today.
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First one would need Nouc Maum, LOL
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Had lunch with an A-team one day. I passed on the dried fish heads but was told by a SF Sgt. that I should eat some. It's a delicacy and the indigs would be insulted if I did not partake. UMM. Yummy.
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In Aug of 69 about 2 weeks into Boot camp, our DI got the platoon in formation and announced the Marine Corps was over its quota and they need to send some people to the Navy. They needed 6 people from out platoon. Any volunteers? Sure enough some dummies stuck up their hands. It was brutal. You don't want to be in MY MARINE CORPS, YOU DON'T LOVE MY MARINE CORPS. Bents and trusts forever. Ready begin.
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A bit early for today, Enjoy.
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Not a cartoon and not even funny. I just came across this in my collection from 50 some years ago and thought I'd post it. D model slick from the 190th Assault Helicopter Company. Two piece nomex and extra 50 cal ammo. Cockpit doors removed to cut down weight, and it's cooler without them. The doors didn't stop AK rounds any way.
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Todays bunch.......
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Separation time is nearing and as first wife and I live in military housing, there will be a inspection of our quarters before I get separated. Wife is cleaning the place like mad, I tell her to leave something a bit messed up and not to hard to find as guy who inspects will find something. Sooner he does sooner he can point it out and leave. She was determine to prove me wrong. Didn't happen of course. Dust behind a heat register
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Separation time is nearing and as first wife and I live in military housing, there will be a inspection of our quarters before I get separated. Wife is cleaning the place like mad, I tell her to leave something a bit messed up and not to hard to find as guy who inspects will find something. Sooner he does sooner he can point it out and leave. She was determine to prove me wrong. Didn't happen of course. Dust behind a heat register
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Moved out of military housing units several times. Usually had a cleaning service to do the work and always passed the first time. Finally the wife had quit her job a week or two before we moved. Since she had the time she decided to clean herself, told her to get a cleaning service, but she said she wanted to do it. On inspection day the inspector showed up and flunked the house. The wife was smoked! Talked to one of her friends about it. The next morning the inspector showed up to reinspect and walked in the front door and said the house passed, took the keys and left. Found out later her friend's husband was some kind of supervisor in the housing department and her friend had bent his ear about it. I guess it pays to know folks! As an aside the speculation was always that the cleaning services kicked back to the inspectors to get the houses to pass.
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It took me a while to learn that things are never quite the way they appear. There are lots of connections that never show. Relatives, friends and that all important Christmas and birthday present lists that can have an effect on the world. LOL
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Grew up as an Air Force brat and my parents wouldn't live in housing if they could avoid it. Only once that I remember. My mom hated the white glove thing. I took the hint in my Army career.
As for toon #1, the ground in our company area (Tay Ninh) was like brown talcum powder during the dry season and oatmeal during monsoon. We did have wooden walk ways to get to the latrine, mess hall etc. and back. Twelve helicopters coming out uf the revetments in the morning could kick up a ton of dust. Spraying tar on the ground helped a little.
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Some more for today.....
The first one was sent to some friends who were stationed at Chu Lai with VMA(AW)533. They assured it it was not like that.
The last one makes me think of a couple of friends. They both spent some time in the Hanoi Hilton. Will see one of them this coming week.
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