Married with plumbing

NFrameFred

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I'm a 'do-it-your-self-er' traditionally, mostly because growing up without much you learn to do for yourself when you can't afford to buy it new or pay someone to do work for you. As such, I guess I could be said to be at least "adequate" in many different practical skills that one might have occasion to hire out if they can afford it, like construction, roofing, painting, wiring and electrical, carpentry and design, gun smithing, reloading . . . you get the idea, a lot of things I was never really paid to do as a vocation, just side skills – not bragging, just stating what my experiences have been. A kind of Jack-of-all-trades-master-of-none as it were. I enjoy most of it . . . except plumbing. I hate plumbing. I'll do it, but only when necessary.

More on that, later.

The wife is few years younger and is finishing up her working life while I am now retired. She increasingly tends to long for her retirement date as she knows I'm here at home and she wants to be with and spend time with me. I'm luckier than many in that regard.

Well . . . as our situation goes our home was due for some remodeling and upgrades so we decided to, among other things, rip out the forty five year old kitchen and completely redo it. She still goes off to work each day at the medical office and helps pay for it while I remain here playing at many of the things listed above in that endeavor.

First off, my hat is off to many of you guys and gals that mirror my situation and have the gumption to roll up your sleeves, jump in and do that work. I've found that those who are professional carpenters, electricians and plumbers are smarter, more resourceful and more talented many times than those who earn a lot more and have an alphabet soup of initials after their names by virtue of a college degree. However, in this story I don't count their vocation as pertinent here as they get paid for and make a living doing it. They're supposed to be better at it. This is for all the poor schmucks like me that can relate.

So I'm attempting to uninstall/re-install kitchen plumbing, sinks and disposal in the cabinet space allotted for such and doing my best to fit into the space as it is to accomplish said work. Think of a typical such space where a two year old playing hide and seek might cram himself into for a hiding place during the game – except, as you may infer, I'm quite a bit larger than any two year old I'm currently acquainted with. I'm on my back in the most uncomfortable position I can presently imagine with my head and shoulders wedged in the cabinet under all of this detritus attempting to contort my limbs into a position not only to reach, but then manipulate forty five year old screws, clamps, and fixtures, and, at the moment my focus is on one particularly ill placed screw in a seemingly unreachable location that MUST be removed for further work to proceed.

The best way I can describe it is for you to imagine being assigned to thread a needle. You have a cast on your right wrist and both hands are cuffed behind your back. And you feel like you're lying on the floor of a convenience store restroom. In the dark.

And, total truth here, I'm lying so the muscle in my back that I strained several weeks ago is acutely reminding me that this is not a good position and something is going to have to give. Occasionally I am compelled to channel the spirit of a long deceased Scottish ancestor to invoke curses (in his accent) on the one (and his progeny) that designed this like this and installed it in the first place (one of things that has always impressed me about the Scots is their ability to drink and to curse so colorfully).

It is at this moment that my strategically out of place cell phone on the counter goes off. Too bad. They'll just have to call back.
It stops ringing and in five seconds the land line on the wall starts to ring. Now I must point out at this juncture that the wife knows I'm up to my hips in alligators with the kitchen at the moment and if someone is trying to reach me this urgently, due to reasons I can't disclose I figure I need to answer the phone. (well, I could tell you the reasons, but then they'd have to dispatch a 'wet' team to your house to ensure your silence, so . . . ) Ignoring the pain in my back and the hide I scrape off extricating myself from the compressed torture chamber under the sink, I stagger upright and instruct my reluctant arthritic knees to fight our way to the phone. The caller I.D. indicates it is the wife calling.

"Hello?"
"Hey ! Just had to share this with you ! One of our patients just said the funniest thing . . . "


>sigh<


I do my best to appreciate that we're apart and she just wants to share her day with me as I go in search of the Tylenol . . . .


Did I mention how much I hate plumbing ? :(
 
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I was in the biz for a long, long time lol. Back in 95 my fam thought giving me a cell phone for my bday was a great idea——gahhh!! (She loved to chat)
My last plumbing adventure,a few months ago, was a John needing new innards. Called a plumber who wanted $400 for the job. Ran to Home Depot,bought the parts and had it done in an hour. My back screamed for a day or so,but it was worth every penny ;-)
 
I have had very similar experiences. I'm 6'2" 225. I don't fit in a lot of places. And to compound that my wife says I'm clumsy lol. Going under kitchen sink requires blankets and towels to lay on. That edge on floor/toe plate is a killer. About 4 yrs ago we installed a septic and well at our previously "dry" cabin. Had to run all the drain lines in a crawl space then I had to go under kitchen sink & bathroom vanity. I was battered and bruised for awhile. Not sure if she felt sorry for me or not every time I hit my head. She said she did but it was between laughs.
 
Our first house was a fixerupper. Lots of bad plumbing and an electric hot water tank.

After watching my Dad as a kid I tackled all the plumbing issues and even put in gas lines for a new gas HWT.

Two years ago, and now retired, my wife wanted a new kitchen, with the old one ripped out to the walls. Ainta gonna happen by me anymore. We had 2 contractors do the work.

I was amazed at all the new types of connectors and gadgets. They had special tools. No solder and a propane bottle any more. Glad i watched them.
 
I can relate and have a similar story.

"We" decided that "we" could remodel our large bedroom and master bath.

To complete the floor, it took me about twenty-hours on my bad knees. The last four-hours were in a large closet. I was in tears the whole time.

The flooring weighted 1350 pounds. I had to unload it from my truck, then move it again to the bedroom as I went.

My wife was supposed to help me by sorting the flooring and passing to me the pieces so that I didn't have to get up and down. She spent most of the time talking on the phone and running some urgent errands.

I'm sadly too old for this.

"I learnt my lesson. A man gots to know his limitations!" to quote my Dad.

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Too late now, but if you're putting in a new sink, faucet, and disposal unit, install it on the sink before you put it into the cabinet. Then all you have to do is thread the supplies onto to shutoffs, and get the tailpiece into the p-trap.

Tightening down the sink screws can still suck. They make a special screwdriver for that, and it's worth the price of admission.
 
Well told. Good luck.

Our son is a plumber and has helped us plenty on Long Island, but for our rentals in NYC we'd call a city licensed guy, and though expensive it's money well spent.
The last time our city plumber helped us, hubby had a premonition and tarped the basement first. Plumber found the source of the second floor clog was in the basement, and cut off the bottom of the riser. A moment later, all the waste stuck in the riser exited the pipe onto the plumbers head.

Not a fun profession.

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Plumbing is easy, just remember the basics and you will do just fine:
Hot water on left
**** flows downhill
payday is on Friday.

And don't pick your nose.

Maybe instead of Tylenol you may want to get something a wee bit stronger! We'll leave it at that.
Plumbing IS one of the worst jobs for DIYers; me anyhow. Especially when you tell wife not to use the sink in the powder room. For that you must be VERY specific. Dumping a bottle of acid down the drain, technically is not USING the sink. But when you heard me say "The snake won't even break through. I'm going to have to cut the pipe and see what's causing the problem tomorrow," one would take it for granted dumping acid down the drain is not an option. Seven feet of 1 1/2" copper pipe holds quite a bit of water. Acid-filled water (sounds like a '60s song) now. Can't use the tube cutters so get out the Sawzall. Who needs goggles?? I made it up into the shower fairly fast. I could only use about 1/2 of my sense of sight by the 2nd set of stairs. Now, she graduated 2 or 3 from top of her high school class, but the common sense is invisible!
Plumbing stinks, no pun intended but that IS another bit of knowledge one must know.
And as soon as you start to break through the pipe get your finger off the saw's trigger.
 
Replacing drains on a double sink - one trip to shop

Many years ago I was volunteered to repair (more of a resurrection) a friend kitchen sink.

YEARS of a leaking faucet had rotted the board at back of sink.
Also problems with the drain plumbing.

Pulled sink - cut and install new board across back.
Drain requires trip to store - Idea - take the sink with me.
Found need parts - bought them - installed them using work bench in back of store.
Store owner thought it was a riot - He did not remember having a sink carried in for repair.
As he said that way it only takes one trip.

I never want to remove/install another sink.

Bekeart
 
I was raised by a union plumbing contractor that only did new work jobs like hospitals, schools etc. On a rare occasion he would do a side job or help a neighbor or friend with a repair but never in his business. A friend called him and asked if he could help out his boss with a toilet stoppage. When he got to their home, which was a one bath, the family of four had not stopped using the toilet and it was to the rim with urine, paper and floaters. He tried using a closet auger but couldn't clear it so he rolled up his sleeve and down into the trap. Elbow deep in the bowl the home owner commented, " I wouldn't do that for fifty bucks."
He retrieved three small rubber balls that was wedged in the trap and problem solved. He went outside and washed up with a garden hose. The owner asked how much and his reply was one hundred bucks. The owner moaned that's highway robbery, etc..and the Ol man reminded him of his comment...you wouldn't do it for fifty bucks...neither would I...one hundred please.:D
 
Many years ago, when I was just married, we lived in a house my wife's grandparents owned and asked us to rent from them until they were ready to leave the farm and move to the "city".

It was a small post war tract house built on a slab in the early fifties.

One day my wife clogged the disposal with the lord only knows what that only a new homemaker is capable of.

Well, I went to town with the plunger and sure enough, the water started draining, however my victory was short lived. The galvanized pipe behind the wall had rusted and when I hit it with the pressure of the plunger it burst sending the water and waste on to the kitchen floor.

Many trips to the hardware and many feet of PVC / connections etc. later and we were back in business.

I hate plumbing, but I have to say it is easier today than it has ever been albeit expensive.

The new Shark Bite connecters, Pex flexible tubing / connectors are better than sweating copper or fitting pipe.
 
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