Smith & Wesson Forum

Advertise With Us Search
Go Back   Smith & Wesson Forum > General Topics > The Lounge

The Lounge A Catch-All Area for NON-GUN topics.
PUT GUN TOPICS in the GUN FORUMS.
Keep it Family Friendly. See The Rules for Banned Topics!


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 04-18-2024, 02:31 PM
Kevin J.'s Avatar
Kevin J. Kevin J. is offline
US Veteran
April 18, 1942 April 18, 1942 April 18, 1942 April 18, 1942 April 18, 1942  
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 1,983
Likes: 2,739
Liked 5,190 Times in 1,501 Posts
Default April 18, 1942

The Doolittle raid.

General Jimmy Doolittle Interview - YouTube
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 04-18-2024, 02:32 PM
SnidelyWhiplash SnidelyWhiplash is offline
Member
April 18, 1942 April 18, 1942 April 18, 1942 April 18, 1942 April 18, 1942  
Join Date: Nov 2022
Location: Arizona
Posts: 1,558
Likes: 81
Liked 5,492 Times in 1,265 Posts
Default

Also the day in 1943 Admiral Yamamoto was shot down by US Army P-38 pilots.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 04-18-2024, 03:24 PM
jimmyj's Avatar
jimmyj jimmyj is offline
Member
April 18, 1942 April 18, 1942 April 18, 1942 April 18, 1942 April 18, 1942  
Join Date: May 2003
Location: DUNNELLON, FLORIDA USA
Posts: 11,146
Likes: 1,694
Liked 16,380 Times in 4,266 Posts
Default

Did the B-25s ditch their machine guns to save weight before they took off from the aircraft carrier ?

Last edited by jimmyj; 04-18-2024 at 07:48 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 04-18-2024, 10:14 PM
31FordA 31FordA is offline
Member
April 18, 1942 April 18, 1942 April 18, 1942 April 18, 1942 April 18, 1942  
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Pennsylvania
Posts: 1,404
Likes: 11,111
Liked 2,680 Times in 1,022 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jimmyj View Post
Did the B-25s ditch their machine guns to save weight before they took off from the aircraft carrier ?
No, they had a .30 Browning in the nose for the bombardier, and the twin .50’s in the dorsal turret manned by the flight engineer. They put a set of broom handles in the tail to simulate tail guns. The B-25B had also originally had a ventral turret in the belly, but it never worked right and was stripped out of the planes to save weight.
__________________
Wheel guns are real guns.
Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Like Post:
  #5  
Old 04-18-2024, 11:01 PM
DWalt's Avatar
DWalt DWalt is online now
Member
April 18, 1942 April 18, 1942 April 18, 1942 April 18, 1942 April 18, 1942  
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: South Texas & San Antonio
Posts: 33,853
Likes: 252
Liked 29,496 Times in 14,228 Posts
Default

The lesser known story is that the Japanese took reprisal against the Chinese by murdering hundreds of thousands of them after the Doolittle raid. The Untold Story of the Vengeful Japanese Attack After the Doolittle Raid | History|
Smithsonian Magazine
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
  #6  
Old 04-18-2024, 11:35 PM
Warren Sear's Avatar
Warren Sear Warren Sear is offline
Member
April 18, 1942 April 18, 1942 April 18, 1942 April 18, 1942 April 18, 1942  
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Twin Cites, Minnesota
Posts: 5,168
Likes: 11,041
Liked 10,917 Times in 3,290 Posts
Default

The Japanese were absolute barbarians during WWII. I guess everything has changed now.

Japan never has truly owned up to the evil they unleashed.
Reply With Quote
The Following 7 Users Like Post:
  #7  
Old 04-19-2024, 12:12 AM
Kevin J.'s Avatar
Kevin J. Kevin J. is offline
US Veteran
April 18, 1942 April 18, 1942 April 18, 1942 April 18, 1942 April 18, 1942  
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 1,983
Likes: 2,739
Liked 5,190 Times in 1,501 Posts
Default

They were as bad as the nazi’s. But at the time the western media didn’t cover Asia in the same lens. My wife is native Korean born in 1956. Both her mother and grandmother would tell terrible stories of growing up under Japanese occupation. The Chinese the rest of Asia all suffered similar atrocities.

Nanjing Massacre - Wikipedia

Last edited by Kevin J.; 04-19-2024 at 12:33 AM.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #8  
Old 04-19-2024, 12:15 AM
Chuck24 Chuck24 is online now
SWCA Member
April 18, 1942 April 18, 1942 April 18, 1942 April 18, 1942 April 18, 1942  
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Coastal virginia
Posts: 5,154
Likes: 2,160
Liked 10,701 Times in 3,362 Posts
Default

Departed from here
Attached Images
File Type: jpg 2A83B59D-9812-44EF-BC71-1A2B0AB88AAB.jpg (68.2 KB, 51 views)
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #9  
Old 04-19-2024, 12:33 AM
Rudi Rudi is offline
Member
April 18, 1942 April 18, 1942 April 18, 1942 April 18, 1942 April 18, 1942  
Join Date: Sep 2018
Posts: 6,908
Likes: 13,378
Liked 16,064 Times in 5,062 Posts
Default

Hard to imagine that Hirohito was not hanged after the war. The Japanese know very little about that time now.
__________________
No baby we aint
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #10  
Old 04-20-2024, 12:40 AM
Warren Sear's Avatar
Warren Sear Warren Sear is offline
Member
April 18, 1942 April 18, 1942 April 18, 1942 April 18, 1942 April 18, 1942  
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Twin Cites, Minnesota
Posts: 5,168
Likes: 11,041
Liked 10,917 Times in 3,290 Posts
Default

How the Japanese teach WWII...

Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 04-20-2024, 01:17 AM
rwsmith's Avatar
rwsmith rwsmith is online now
Member
April 18, 1942 April 18, 1942 April 18, 1942 April 18, 1942 April 18, 1942  
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: (outside) Charleston, SC
Posts: 31,049
Likes: 41,756
Liked 29,311 Times in 13,857 Posts
Default The were looking ahead.....

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rudi View Post
Hard to imagine that Hirohito was not hanged after the war. The Japanese know very little about that time now.
...in order to make an important ally out of Japan, they couldn't hang Hirohito or much of the country would prefer to die with him.
It was preferable to put the blame on military leaders.

To be on topic, I never appreciated the value of the Doolittle raid because it seemed like a risky operation to get planes to drop a few bombs on Japan at the cost of lives. I finally realized the blow that the Japanese felt knowing that their home islands had been attacked by the enemy. And the raiders had humongous....amounts of courage to conduct such a raid and dying for it. And they were all volunteers. Don't mind me, I'm just an idiot.
__________________
"He was kinda funny lookin'"
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #12  
Old 04-20-2024, 01:26 AM
dsf dsf is offline
Member
April 18, 1942 April 18, 1942 April 18, 1942 April 18, 1942 April 18, 1942  
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Escaping CA to OR in 2024
Posts: 1,205
Likes: 1,185
Liked 1,512 Times in 603 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rudi View Post
Hard to imagine that Hirohito was not hanged after the war. The Japanese know very little about that time now.
I wonder if that would have changed if Hitler and Mussolini been captured alive? Would have been a challenge to mete out different punishments to each.

I suppose a case could have been made to hang Hitler, imprison Mussolini - but allowing no punishment for Hirohito? Hmmm.

As an aside, Doolittle's raid on Japan likely encouraged Japan to go after Midway.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #13  
Old 04-20-2024, 01:46 AM
DWalt's Avatar
DWalt DWalt is online now
Member
April 18, 1942 April 18, 1942 April 18, 1942 April 18, 1942 April 18, 1942  
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: South Texas & San Antonio
Posts: 33,853
Likes: 252
Liked 29,496 Times in 14,228 Posts
Default

The Doolittle raid was mainly a morale building exercise for the American people, and secondly to demonstrate to the Japanese that the home islands were not immune from American attack. The raid did very little damage to Japanese industry. Nothing good would have come from trying the Emperor for war crimes, as he was seen as a living god to his subjects. Occupation of the country during the postwar period would have been far more difficult had he been tried and executed. Much better to have a cooperative Japanese population that could be easily controlled by leaving the Emperor on his throne, as he actually had no power to do anything. MacArthur had all the power. There was a famous picture of a stern MacArthur towering over Hirohito that showed the Japanese who was in charge. Emperor Hirohito pays a precedent shattering visit to Supreme Commander MacArthur | Harry S. Truman

There is another book titled "The Rape of Nanking" that goes into great detail the mass rape and slaughter of the Chinese in Nanking by the Japanese. It is nearly unbelievable what atrocities happened there. Things like Japanese soldiers throwing Chinese babies into the air and catching them on their bayonets as they fell back. And beheading competitions.
The Rape of Nanking (book)

Last edited by DWalt; 04-20-2024 at 04:08 PM.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #14  
Old 04-20-2024, 11:20 AM
Puller's Avatar
Puller Puller is offline
Member
April 18, 1942 April 18, 1942 April 18, 1942 April 18, 1942 April 18, 1942  
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: North Mississippi
Posts: 2,081
Likes: 5,384
Liked 9,096 Times in 1,566 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rudi View Post
Hard to imagine that Hirohito was not hanged after the war.
Probably one of the most brilliant strategic decisions of the war and it saved untold numbers of both American and Japanese lives and saved billions of American dollars. It's one of those decisions where you have to take emotion out of it and look at it subjectively in context.


Quote:
Originally Posted by dsf View Post
As an aside, Doolittle's raid on Japan likely encouraged Japan to go after Midway.
The plans to invade AF (Midway) were already developed and sitting on Yamamoto's desk before the attempted Port Morsby occupation, but the AF plan was not well received. Following the Battle of the Coral Sea and the Doolittle Raid, the Japanese political climate was more receptive to Yamamoto's AF proposal.
__________________
Live long and prosper
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #15  
Old 04-20-2024, 10:11 PM
S-W4EVER's Avatar
S-W4EVER S-W4EVER is offline
US Veteran
April 18, 1942 April 18, 1942 April 18, 1942 April 18, 1942 April 18, 1942  
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: USA
Posts: 1,107
Likes: 8,741
Liked 1,697 Times in 610 Posts
Thumbs up

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevin J. View Post
They were as bad as the nazi’s. But at the time the western media didn’t cover Asia in the same lens. My wife is native Korean born in 1956. Both her mother and grandmother would tell terrible stories of growing up under Japanese occupation. The Chinese the rest of Asia all suffered similar atrocities...
I remember the hatred the ROK’s had for the Japanese. I was over there (1974) when there was an assassination attempt of their President (Pak Chung Hee) and the (very popular) First Lady has killed. Every Korean I talked to blamed the Japanese (& I wondered what the Japanese would stand to gain from that). I’m not judging them though, the Koreans had good reasons for feeling the way they did.

No better ally (or greater enemy) than the ROK Army.
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
  #16  
Old 04-20-2024, 10:20 PM
HOUSTON RICK HOUSTON RICK is offline
Member
April 18, 1942 April 18, 1942  
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: HOUSTON, TEXAS
Posts: 10,208
Likes: 7,187
Liked 14,406 Times in 5,426 Posts
Default

There were a few horrified NAZI observers at the Rape of Nanking that called for the Japanese to stop, but they were ignored. Not that NAZI's collectively had any moral high ground, but that says something as to how bad it was.
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
  #17  
Old 04-21-2024, 12:10 AM
DWalt's Avatar
DWalt DWalt is online now
Member
April 18, 1942 April 18, 1942 April 18, 1942 April 18, 1942 April 18, 1942  
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: South Texas & San Antonio
Posts: 33,853
Likes: 252
Liked 29,496 Times in 14,228 Posts
Default

Over 20 years ago, I had a Chinese friend who married a Japanese woman. He was disowned by and expelled from his family.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #18  
Old 04-21-2024, 11:26 PM
bushmaster1313's Avatar
bushmaster1313 bushmaster1313 is offline
Member
April 18, 1942 April 18, 1942 April 18, 1942 April 18, 1942 April 18, 1942  
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: PRNJ
Posts: 6,766
Likes: 477
Liked 16,852 Times in 3,329 Posts
Default

When I was in grammar school I read 30 seconds over Tokyo and Flight Deck many times each. With vision well better than 20/15 I had the eyes, if nothing else, to be a pilot. Although I was invited to apply, growing up in the greater Boston area and attending a public suburban school, the odds of my seeking an appointment to a service academy were slim to none.
__________________
Buy American
Vote Responsibly
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #19  
Old 04-22-2024, 11:11 PM
rwsmith's Avatar
rwsmith rwsmith is online now
Member
April 18, 1942 April 18, 1942 April 18, 1942 April 18, 1942 April 18, 1942  
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: (outside) Charleston, SC
Posts: 31,049
Likes: 41,756
Liked 29,311 Times in 13,857 Posts
Default Those particular NAZIs...

Quote:
Originally Posted by HOUSTON RICK View Post
There were a few horrified NAZI observers at the Rape of Nanking that called for the Japanese to stop, but they were ignored. Not that NAZI's collectively had any moral high ground, but that says something as to how bad it was.
...weren't nearly as hard core or indoctrinated as the ones running Germany. They mostly lived in remote countries. They actually believed that the Japanese were acting in an uncivilized manner and that any decent country wouldn't/couldn't act that way. They were 'good will' guys sent out to make friends with other countries and to put on a good face. They were as surprised as anybody at the extent of the horror the NAZIs perpetrated on Europe.
__________________
"He was kinda funny lookin'"
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
April 18 1942 Ray The Lounge 21 04-24-2016 11:03 PM
1942 S&W 2quads S&W Hand Ejectors: 1896 to 1961 9 03-20-2013 08:07 PM
April 9, 1942 Straightshooter2 The Lounge 14 04-10-2012 09:27 PM
April 18, 1942: Over Tokyo! Texas Star The Lounge 31 04-21-2009 08:38 AM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3
smith-wessonforum.com tested by Norton Internet Security smith-wessonforum.com tested by McAfee Internet Security

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:08 AM.


Smith-WessonForum.com is not affiliated with Smith & Wesson Holding Corporation (NASDAQ Global Select: SWHC)