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Default The truth about the US’ most iconic food

Feltman's or Nathan's?

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As many Americans fire up the grill to celebrate Independence Day this Fourth of July, we're revisiting one of our favourite stories about the unlikely origins of one of the nation's most popular foods: the humble hot dog.

"If there's any food that represents Americana, it's the humble hot dog. Today, these bunned frankfurters are sold at every baseball game, grilled at nearly every backyard barbecue and available at roadside convenience stores from the Carolinas to California. In fact, this most archetypal of American foods originated as the US started to stitch itself back together in the 1860s following the American Civil War...

But while you can now find these seasoned sausage sandwiches across the American heartland, the hot dog's iconic home is on the boardwalk at New York City's Coney Island.

...I spotted another sign attached to a small shop directly beside the historic Cyclone rollercoaster that read: "Feltman’s of Coney Island: The original hot dog – 1867."

Up to that point, I'd thought that Coney Island hot dogs began and ended with Nathan's, whose name has been synonymous with the seaside theme park for as long as anyone can remember. But...according to Brooklyn native and Coney Island historian Michael Quinn, a German immigrant named Charles L Feltman was serving hot dogs along the bustling strip decades before Nathan’s was conceived...


In 1916, one of Feltman’s former employees, Nathan Handwerker, opened his own hot dog shop just blocks away from his old employer



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Now I want another hotdog…Nathan’s or Ballpark.
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Any 411 on the inclusion of both doors of the alimentary tract?
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I just grilled up some Nathan's wieners today!
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Love Nathan's.

Feltman's available online.

Wonderful story.
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I haven't eaten there for a long time, but the snack area at Sam's Club served Nathan's hot dogs. Hot dog and drink were $1.50. Maybe more now.
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Ambassador Old Fashioned Wieners. Nothing can touch them.
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Nathan's, or Hebrew National. Generally don't eat such, but these are a treat.
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The best tasting hot dogs are found in every baseball park across this land.

Brand is immaterial.
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I had a Nathans hot dog tonight. Darn good.
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I enjoy a good tube steak, but only if it is grilled crispy. I usually pass on boiled hot dogs.

Hebrew National brand is tough to beat.
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Hebrew National brand is tough to beat.
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Nathans with mustard, chili sauce, raw onions and cheese Sause for me
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Another vote for Hebrew National.
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In food service the go to hot dog is Vienna if you want top of the line. They come in all different sizes. And as a connoisseur of hot dogs I think they are the best. They tend to be hard to find in retail stores but can be found in some places.
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I'll eat any of them but the Hebrew Nationals are my favorite. The Nathans of today have no doubt changed more than a little since the 19th Century. They clearly had better marketing guys though.

Grilled are the best, boiled I'll eat, but I refuse microwaved.
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One enterprising individual was selling hot dogs in stalled Houston traffic along I-610 last week.
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Brands aside, none should ever be doused with ketchup - never, ever.

In New England the buns we used were different than what I've seen everywhere else. Looked like two shortened slices of bread stuck together with just enough bulk at the bottom to fool you into believing the damn thing wouldn't split in two when you seated the Weiner.
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If that guy is trying to add some "flair" to his hot dog, he's grabbed the wrong gun.




When I was a fat little kid (I'm now a fat big kid), I was not a picky eater. I would eat everything that was put in front of me, except hot dogs. I hated hot dogs, and I still do. I guess I've never found pig snouts to be very palatable. So the flare gun is an appropriate response when presented with a hot dog. The only thing hot dogs are good for IMHO, is target practice.
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I had a close personal friend that had
work in a packing plant that made hotdogs...

He wouldn't eat one and told me I
wouldn't either if I known what was in 'em.

So, I took his word for it.

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I haven't eaten there for a long time, but the snack area at Sam's Club served Nathan's hot dogs. Hot dog and drink were $1.50. Maybe more now.
Still a buck fifty. Been many years since I’ve eaten a dog.
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Brands aside, none should ever be doused with ketchup - never, ever.

In New England the buns we used were different than what I've seen everywhere else. Looked like two shortened slices of bread stuck together with just enough bulk at the bottom to fool you into believing the damn thing wouldn't split in two when you seated the Weiner.
Some years ago there was a Dairy Queen locally that had that kind of bun. Haven't seen one sense. As for ketchup no way no how. Ketchup is an abomination on hotdogs. However I have been know to put a little salsa on a dog.
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Vienna's on Mary Ann's poppy seed ... yellow mustard, dill relish, onions, a few sport peppers and tomato wedges.
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work in a packing plant that made hotdogs...

He wouldn't eat one and told me I
wouldn't either if I known what was in 'em.

So, I took his word for it.

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Years ago a girl I worked with loved hot dogs, that is until she dated a guy that was a federal inspector at one those plants. Changed her mind real quick about hot dogs.
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Brands aside, none should ever be doused with ketchup - never, ever..
Please explain why.

What is the logic?

Do not assume I disagree with you.

And have you ever tried spicy giardiniera on a hot dog?
(Usually added to Italian beefs in Chicago.)
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On the rare occasion that I have a hot dog it's Nathan's or Hebrew National with mustard, dill relish, and sometimes onions and cheddar. I try not to think about what's in them - except the Hebrew National - those are Kosher, so no "naughty bits."
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Please explain why.

What is the logic?

Do not assume I disagree with you.

And have you ever tried spicy giardiniera on a hot dog?
(Usually added to Italian beefs in Chicago.)
I went to college downstate Il about 5 decades back and made it up to Chicago for San Genarro a few times - so, yes. But I'm from New England and even the mild was a little too spicey for me. Made my nose run, but worth it!

No ketchup because it's loaded with sugar, really kills the taste of anything it's slopped on but especially a good dog. Can't imagine putting it on sausage.
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Ain't just snouts.

Not sure if this is true, NPR did a story on it awhile back saying so. That restaurants served up pork rectum as calamari. Evidently looks quite the same when sliced up. They mentioned it retained a hint of the "bouquet" of its origins, despite whatever garlic and butter, spices may have been used to disguise its earlier function.
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Brands aside, none should ever be doused with ketchup - never, ever.
To each his own. I like mine with a little ketchup, a little mustard, and either sour kraut OR a little sweet relish.

And I don't really care what "cuts" of meat are in them.
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While I said I love Natrhan's, the truth of the matter is that hot dogs and any processed meats are really bad for you, raising blood pressure and overloading you with sodium. Still......
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I made my money slingin' wienies in 11th & 12th grades at the original Brighton Hot Dog Shoppe, the go-to fast food in New Brighton and most of Beaver County, PA. We used Luger hot dogs, now Beaver Falls meats, if it's still running. I prefer the Hebrew Nat'l brand when I buy at the grocery store, but rarely. I have some dead cow for tonight. Pig lips & snouts just doesn't sound natural.
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The carts outside building supply stores have the best dogs
“I’ll take mine with onion and ketchup and mayo please , ok throw some bacon on for an extra buck
Two Pepsis to wash it down with please
8.50? Here’s 10 thanks ,keep it. Thanks“
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I like Nathan’s and Hebrew National best. I recently bought an air fryer because I saw a YouTube video about cooking hot dogs in one. Apparently, you score each one with a few cuts which allow it to open up and fry up with crispy edges. I haven’t tried it yet. If this doesn’t work out, I like my dogs and brats grilled. BTW, as far as toppings, I like raw onions, mustard, homemade chili, slaw, and some Texas Pete. YUM, YUM!!
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To each his own. I like mine with a little ketchup, a little mustard, and either sour kraut OR a little sweet relish.

And I don't really care what "cuts" of meat are in them.
I was just picturing a ketchup dressed dog being held high with a "from my cold dead hands" caption.
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I enjoy a good tube steak, but only if it is grilled crispy. I usually pass on boiled hot dogs.
I do like mine well done. At the very least, they need to “pop” when bit into.

Vienna Beef, Nathan’s, and Hebrew National, please.

I never was a big fan of hot dogs until I lived in Chicago for a few years and had proper ones.
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Nathan's, or Hebrew National. Generally don't eat such, but these are a treat.
Same here. Johnsonville jalapeño cheddar are good too.
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As a teenager went to Nathan's on a HS trip. I think that what they sell today under that name, although OK, don't resemble what I ate in the 50's and the fries served at the counter with those dogs were outrageous also. Hebrew National are far better today. That said, the best "dirty water" hotdog, which were served from a hot dog cart in NYC, were Sabrett, smothered in onion sauce. Heartburn for sure but worth it.
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I know hot dogs taste good, but what about the sodium? I think it’s really quite high?
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The 1/4 pound sized Hebrew National all beef Kosher dog is the best hot available IMHO. Pick your toppings and cooking method, it makes no never mind. It's always the best around. For me; on the grill with a fair amount of char, toasted roll, brown deli mustard, katsup and a load of 1/2 dill pickles. A perfect match for an ice-cold beer and sides of your choice.
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As a teenager went to Nathan's on a HS trip. I think that what they sell today under that name, although OK, don't resemble what I ate in the 50's and the fries served at the counter with those dogs were outrageous also. Hebrew National are far better today. That said, the best "dirty water" hotdog, which were served from a hot dog cart in NYC, were Sabrett, smothered in onion sauce. Heartburn for sure but worth it.
Those blue and yellow umbrellas were as iconic as the Empire State Building.
“Dirty water hotdogs”
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We used to make souse with anything left after butchering. The feet got pickled.

Everything but the squeal.

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Now i need A Mustard and Ketchup gun
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rusty, I believe those boxes contain politicians
Nathans and Hebrew National were both Kosher last time I looked. That would be NO pork and limits on organ meat.
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Hot dog wieners are kind of like parachutes. You don't want to go for the lowest price. Hebrew Nationals are the most expensive dogs so that's what I buy and my digestive system is thankful for it.
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