Parents Aren't Having School's Ban on All-Black Clothes

Charles Middle School in El Paso, Texas, has since put new dress code on hold after backlash

"We are ... eliminating a look that has taken over on campus with students wearing black tops with black bottoms, which has become more associated with depression and mental health issues and/or criminality than with happy and healthy kids ready to learn," principal Nick DeSantis said in the letter sent to students' caretakers.

Parents Aren't Having School's Ban on All-Black Clothes

I never heard about depression and mental health issues and/or criminality being rampant among those wearing black Habits - Catholic Nuns.

Goth types and especially those 2 kids that shot up Columbine were into the all black type clothing.

So I’m not surprised a school is taking steps to make it go away.


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Obviously Johnny Cash fans.

...more rules and laws just due to some stupid perception. Like the ban on SUPPRESSORS, thumbhole stocks, etc.

Steve Jobs habitually wore all black. To him it was simplicity. No matching concerns. Whether he was a 'nice person' or not, you had to admire him for his entrepeneurship. Johnny Cash was the 'Man In Black'. Coco Chanel invented the 'little black dress' that worked well for Audrey Hepburn. I could go on.

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"He was kinda funny lookin'"

Well if going to Catholic school for 9 years and experiencing the Kendo ability of the nuns with a pointer you might think just a little different.

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14 S&W Revs none with locks!

...the Goth and Emo movements years ago? It was a teenage fashion fad. Abby on NCIC was a Goth. You couldn't call her 'depressed'. Hyper, yes. But not depressed.

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"He was kinda funny lookin'"

I am so depressed!

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I bought two pair of black cargo pocket shorts yesterday on sale at WalMart. Maybe I should return them.

They just suffer from weirdoism and want others to know of their affliction; they're probably harmless.

Well, let's focus on clothing instead of student success. I read that the Charles Middle School 6-8 grade students are at least 39% proficient in math and 50% in reading.

A rating service gives CMS El Paso a B- grade for academics.

No Kids Left Behind seems to be another huge federal Dept. of Ed. failure. The bureaucracy becomes greater and the kids - not.

I liked wearing black shirts until I got got a white cat. After the third person said that they saw that I had a cat I kind of gave it up. Never felt the need to shoot up some school or was depressed while wearing black.

These guys from New Zealand wear black all the time. They don't seem too depressed.




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Am I supposed to get depressed when I'm driving a Batmobile?

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What they need to ban is students bringing cell phones to school.

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Wonder what the local ninja chapter will say.

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Black shirts ? i associate that with a political movement that was popular i Italy a century ago.
Now if a student showed up to school wearing a snap brim hat, a black shirt and a white tie and carrying a violin case I might be concerned.

Poor Johnny Cash.

wow school administrators focused on the wrong thing.. I am shocked.. ok, I am not... but can they focus on math, reading, science, art & music... and forget the rest...

All the kids should go back to madras bellbottoms. That will show them!

Don't want me in all black? Fine. I'll wear something with multiple colors. Perhaps a mixture of greens and browns and black. I'm sure everyone will feel much better if I show up to school like this.

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Who thinks this stuff up?? Some administrators obviously have way too much time on their hands.

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When I was at high school in the UK, my school started to 'discourage' the girls from wearing sheer, black, hosiery. It was considered 'funereal'. Uh-huh. Any student with two brain cells to rub together knew EXACTLY what the agenda was. The punk movement had brought back stockings and garters (AKA suspenders in the UK), and I think the staff were concerned about certain girls and boys taking advantage of the quick access benefits.

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They should just go back to banning books.

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Reminds me of what my lawyer (agency lawyer) said. If you don't have a case distract the judge/jury by directing them to "the shiny ball." Look at the "shiny ball" and pay no attention to the facts.

That's is what is happening here. Don't blame people, blame things, because we can't hold people accountable.

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As someone who ususally wears all black, I am afraid I must respectfully disagree with those who say schools shouldn't ban certain styles of clothing.

When I started school,girls (and female faculty) were verboten from wearing pants of any kind. Skirts of knee length or lower were the order of the day...although in those days, teachers wearing minis wasn't that uncommon.

Boys wore collared, button down shirts.

Anything else got you sent home or your folks bringing you the proper attire. Those rules were significantly relaxed over time.

For ALL of my time in public school, military style clothing was also verboten unless you were in ROTC or such and then on certain days.

I am personally of the belief that past kindergarten, students should wear uniforms that have the school's name on a patch worn on the right arm. The uniform must be worn for classes and all school functions.

Purpose of school should be education and education only...to that end, a uniform reinforces this and not a fashion or trend. Plus it instills a modicum of pride and discipline.

I am not saying turn schools into military boot camps in the least nor should we go completely overboard like was done when I started public schools. I'd rather see monies go toward this idea than building stadiums that rival the NFL.

Just my $0.02

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If a kid is depressed I don’t think telling them they can’t wear black is going to cheer them up. I also doubt that happy kids will suddenly be driven to despair by some kids wearing black. This all seems like the usual garbage from administrators who want to be able to say “Look at us, we did something, aren’t we great!”.
Sure, the kids may be illiterate, but at least they’ll feel good about themselves.

I went to Catholic school for twelve years, so clothes were never a big issue. About the only clothing issue that ever came up was the length of the girls skirts. Usually once a year the girls would get yelled at about their skirts, hems would get lowered for a few weeks, then they would creep up again. I suppose the skirts getting, temporarily, longer may have caused some depression for the guys, but we coped.

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Many school administrators are more about "Control" and their self (or system) issued importance than anything like "The rights of the American Citizens" they are supposed to educate!

When they won't face up to their own failures in the education system, then blame it on the clothing, older buildings, or the parents.

Ivan

Schools haven't provided a proper education in decades. They couldn't care less about the individual. Our whole educational system is focused on producing good liberal sheep who do as they're told.

I went to a Catholic high school, late 1960s. The nuns were against the girls displaying knees. (The guys were for it, and as high as possible! Heck yeah! Height of the miniskirt era, fortunately for us.)

So what the girls did, they would roll up their uniform skirts when the nuns weren't around, and then roll 'em down when a nun showed up.

Worked pretty well as a common sense solution.

I recall once, sitting in a civics class — you younger fellas will need to look that up — feeling bored and sleepy, when, suddenly, the nun teaching the class, Sister Mary Imaculatta (she was a pistol!), slammed the textbook she was holding down on to her desk, saying, "I won't have this! This disgusting display that I see here every day! I won't have it!"

My classmates and I are looking at each other. WTH? We can't figure out what has got Sister Mary Imaculatta so wound up and upset. Then she says it:

"Knees! This disgusting offering of knees I see before me every day!"

We guys are going, "Really?! What?! Where! Let's take note!"

Course we are all facing forward towards Sister so we couldn't see too well. But I think we all took note and thought we should pay closer attention to what the girls were up to.

God bless 'em, those sisters. They did their best. (But they were, I think we all have to acknowledge, rowing against the tide when it came to boys and girls and their shenanigans ...)

But, let me say this, in praise of a Catholic education and Sister Mary Imaculatta. She told us, in that civics class, something I have never forgotten: "Freedom is the right to do what you ought to do." I didn't understand it at 18. But I do at 73.

Rest in peace, Sister.

The boys are home schooled.

I am pretty lax on dress code.

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The principal is concerned about depression and other mental health issues.

I suspect the majority of kids are not being sufficiently challenged by the curriculum. Boredom is being mislabeled as mental health issues while teachers are forced to teach to those who have been past through the "No Kid Left Behind" system without learning the basics to give them confidence and competence to success at their current grade level.

Education of America's youth has lost its true focus while being directed and funded by political considerations.

We need a BOO HISS button

I'm wearing a black golf shirt, black jeans, black socks, black belt and black sneakers today. The only thing currently depressing me is the calapse of our once envied primary educational system.

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I have a story sort of similar to yours, but mine was in the late 50s.

I went to a big catholic grade school in Albany NY. Classes were big and the teachers of today would be lost, my class had 65 kids in it. The nun taught all subjects and we spent the whole day in just one classroom.

They had a thing about girls wearing shorts. That was for just regular shorts, the "short shorts" would get the girl and her parents invited to see the principal for a serious discushion. Now understand Sister Delaroita <SPL> the principal took no prisoners.

The school, church and nuns residence was in the middle of a big block with plenty of small shops on both sides of the street, the library, post office right there. The nuns would often go, in pairs naturally and could see a girl in shorts at amazing distances. Most girls knew to get in the house when the nuns were on patrol because they knew the outcome.

I never understood their aversion to shorts, possibly that sweep the floor habit they wore influenced them.

I do know that I figured out early that if the nuns and even the priests were that upset something good was being repressed. Since then I diligently study the subject of short wearing females.

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Kids will ALWAYS think of things to do to piss off the adults. WE did it....IN SPADES
Let the little knuckleheads have their fun!

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Just don't wear them to school. You will be all right.

I must agree.
Most curiculum (sic) is geared toward political that educational aspects....again, look at the massive sports stadiums being built when bus fleets and facilities are falling apart and teachers get paid pittance.

The kids who want to learn will. The majority though are taught from an early age to expect handouts. Then there are the kids who will tell you why go through all of the educational stuff when one of their friends' drops out and falls in with bad people and drives to school in a brand new BMW? No incentive.

Schools are starting to prohibit smart phones in class (I wonder why....rolling eyes) and tyhe people screaming the loudest againt these policies? THE PARENTS!

The school system has to completely change from the ground up. I don't see that happening.

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Well, this isn't Steve Jobs now. An dusing Cash as an example is plain ridiculous. I have taught and been an administrator for nearly 40 years. Kids definitely associate clothing with their feelings or personalities to create an identity. Anyone who thinks overwise is not around kids.

There are experts who can walk the halls of a school and spot gang, social symbols and personal choices in dress alone. Sorry, but to compare your examples with what is going in a school is flat out nuts. Oh and you forgot the Lone Ranger. I think he was all black or maybe Paladin.

Wow, good thread. As for banning certain clothes how about Banning hoodies? Fashion is just plain dumb to wear a sweatshirt hoodie when its over 100! Just what are these idiots proving?
My Dad taught me to wear a collar shirt when going out. I visit our VFW once a week and am about the only one wearing a shirt with collar.
I remember having to wear collar shirts tucked in and girls wearing skirts/ dresses with hem covering their knees in school. Slowly changed in late 60’s.

In one respect it has changed as you describe. Parents and children no longer acknowledge the concept of locum parentis while the kids are on the property. I'm afraid you can thank the abusive teachers and those who were perverts for that.

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I am on the Fashion Police's top 10 most wanted list.

My hoodie and PJ bottom collection would earn me a life sentence.

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but you at least require pants, right? No Donald Ducking it?

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I personally think it's a wholesale flight from responsibility. Administrative staff ran from the responsibility of locum parentis. There are exceptions, some do seem to have more than their fair share of arrogance. About the same time, parents also ran from the responsibility of being parents.

As a kid, where the parents went I went. I recall the crowds at parent/teacher nights. When I was visiting schools as a parent for parent/teacher as a nights, you could have fired a cannon down the hallways and never hit anyone. Had a long talk with one teacher about how parents don't seem to care about their kids

Actually, Paladin outfit was navy blue. It showed up better with B&W film.

It's because of things like this I'm glad I'm a RETIRED teacher. At one point, I taught a subject that I had some mastery over, and more importantly, some talent in presenting it in a way that children found engaging. By the end, I was expected to spend all my time and resources dealing with garbage like this.

Gary Player would be upset as well.

I agree that clothing kids wear can tell you quite a bit about them and their affiliations etc.

When I was in school it was tube tops being banned. I miss tube tops.

That sounds like the left on the gun topic.

Ban all, because of a few.

In reality some kids have needs for phones. My grandson has a constant glucose monitor, that his phone can send the results to other phones (mine and my daughters).

Suspend kids using phones in class for unnecessary things, I could agree with.

I would be inclined to agree with that a few phone wielding kids have ruined it for the majority. That's why we can't have nice things.

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Blame the clothes, not the person......

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