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Totally had destroyed the profession in my opinion. Just like the new business models involving medicine are destroying the medical profession. It has become all about the money and less about helping people for the right reason while being to make a living out if it. Las is no longer a profession but is nothing more tan a business and it has disgusted me for years. But screw it, I'm on the down slope now so I really don't care anymore.

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^^^^ I agree ! You should see the billboards this attorney is putting up in Ct ! And she had TV ads during the superbowl! How the heck much did that cost.

From Super Bowl ads to billboards, CT attorneys are in an advertising ‘arms race’ | Hartford Business Journal

My brother and I finished up a job in Sweeny TX, south of Huston. It is 1850 miles from there back home. We both remarked on the amount of "Injured in an Accident" type signs lining the highways. Texas, New Mexico, Colorado, Wyoming, Montana. Didn't matter. The vultures were circling. My wife is ashamed of the majority of her profession and prefers not to let most people know about her hard earned degree. There was a time when attorneys were some of the most respected people in the community. Now they come in well behind used car salesmen.

Made a trip to Atlanta last Friday. On the way home on I85 from the GA line all the way through SC were signs for one single chaser. He dominated those billboards, and obviously they must work.

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Figures; the paywall wants a dollar to read it. The "chasers" are in every locale. The ads are on late at night/early morning in every major market. We have the "largest personal injury firm in the country" right here, just outside the "Happiest Place on Earth." Joe

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Yeah, can’t read it without subscribing, how ironic!

Here in the Black Hills the billboards seem to be dominated with motorcycle accident lawyer ads. Guess keeping the out of state mc riders informed, so a public service.

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In 1964 U of Pitt Law School graduated about 55/60 brand new Lawyers.... my class of 1978, the first out of the new Building dedicated to the Law School, graduated about 175. With another 60 or so that didn't make it past the first year!

In the following 10 years Pitt graduated about 1,800 new lawyers; equal to all the pre-64 classes going back to the mid 1920s.

The pie didn't get 30 times bigger,

IMHO I got out and into the marketplace just before the SHTF and swamped the market! I made a good living working for or with non-profit hospitals around the Commonwealth.

When I was in Harrisburg in the 80s/90s every other State employee had a JD from some law school I'd never heard of!

I was living just outside Pittsburgh back in the '70s. I was trying to make up my mind about if I wanted to study law or something else. The Press (now dead newspaper) published a poll they'd taken of how much money attorney's made in the metro area from legal work. Average turned out to be ~$14K. That was a lot less than I was making at the time. I'd done work for some firms that specialized in repping corporations, I knew they were making waay better than that.

BTW, my wordsmithing isn't outstanding, I've got my share of typos. But reading the OP, I have to wonder if our eminent jurist typed that after deep consultation with a single malt.

I reject all forms of group identity.
There really is no such thing, especially not age identity.
The same young people who take umbrage at being lumped together with others of the Gen Z, have no qualms saying to me,
"Okay Boomer...."
Professional group identity is equally invalid.
Veterans? There are some fine people who happened to have served.
Police? I have known too many of them, to think of them as anything but just some of my neighbor who work for the city.
Teachers? My mother was Rock Hill School District 3 for 29 years, a true saint if there ever was one. But some people she worked with and worked under especially were the most despicable ...well, you know what I am saying (sigh).

If there ever was a group profession that deserves to be despised it would have to be lawyers, right? How about lawyers from, of all places, Louisiana?! Uuuuughghh:-)
And yet here is Cajun Lawyer who is the finest person we have on this forum. He always has truly helpful comments, and he is quite funny. He can take a tease as good as he gives it!

Sociological Psychology is a lifelong study. My thing is more Educational Psychology and Sociology which all are very soft sciences. There is a reason why we identify with our profession, but you can get over it.

Best Regards and a Big Thank You to Cajun Lawyer for the Contribution here!
BrianD

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LOL "averages" are deceptive. $14,000 in 1976 is $81,000 today.

In the mid-70s Big Firms in the Burgh started their Associates out at $18,000- $20,000. That's $100,000-$112,000 in today's dollars per "Inflation Calculator".

My first Hospital paid me $19,500 out of School or $109,000 today!

Paywall blocked, but I get the gist of it. Classless comes to mind.

We see it here too and it isn't just lawyers either. A lack of pride has taken a toll on our society.

Back in 2005, when I was still working for a living, I was in Florida for business. At the time, I had a habit of checking local phone books (which have become extinct it seems) to see if anyone in the area shared my last name. I immediately noticed there was a lawyer ad on every other page of the white pages! Good grief!

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I don't care about the billboards, it's the dang commercials. Every other one is a lawyer telling me how much money they will get me if I am involved in a crash or a slip and fall. What they don't tell anyone is how much they will take.

99% of lawyers give the other 1% a bad name.

.....and keep 40%! One firm here in the Burgh advertises ".... just 25%"

...and when I look at the insurance premiums I pay it reminds me that insurance companies do not have bottomless pits of cash to hand out to Personal Injury law firms and their clients. That isn't "free" money. It comes out of our pockets, not thin air.

Attorneys advertising was illegal, or mostly prohibited, in the US until the 1970s when the Supreme Court decided it was allowed because it is speech for commercial purposes, or something like that. It still is restricted or illegal in many countries.

Doctors advertising as well used to be prohibited.

Should be illegal for Drug companies to advertise........

There are about a half dozen large “personal injury” law firms that dominate and saturate the San Antonio radio and TV ads and billboards. And the city busses have their ads plastered on their sides. This is probably the largest one and is headquartered here in town. Personal Injury Attorneys in Texas | Thomas J. Henry Law

The bottom has fallen out of the job market for law school graduates. Valparaiso University in Indiana and Whittier College in California have closed their law schools, saw a news story in the NY Times which said law school applications have have declined steadily for 10 years or so. In 2011 only 39.8% of New York Law School's graduates found jobs, that school was sued by some of them claiming they were misled on employment opportunities. A few years ago one successful attorney told me if you don't go to a top tier law school, graduate in the top 50% or have a job lined up at a family firm, it's not worth it. One friend, recently retired from the election law division of the Attorney General's department here in NJ said the old "revolving door" between public service and private practice is long closed, she has a 2 year restriction.

You mean besides spellin'?

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Met our Burgh's ambulance chasing lawyer "........ no fee unless we get money for you!" His 1st wife did PR and did his Ad campaign back in the 70s.

Advertising is key; they need a lot of volume and "unsophisticated" clients. They cull the clients/cases for the easy settlement cases, and take their 40%. Hard cases, unless they are really big $$$$s, they pass!

Ins Co. will calculate the cost of not settling or defending..... add it to their settlement offer and throw that out on the table to close the file!

With legal costs at $$$s per hour that can quickly add big $$$$$s to the claim costs.

What's more profitable...asbestos or Camp Lejeune water?

Constantly on the local news programs here in Indiana.

Was going to make that comment but you beat me to it.

What's Wong in the legal precession? Well, here ya go:




Yep. Two Wongs gonna make it right! For you! (Yessir! You got the bux, we got the Wongs! Call today!)

I'll just leave this one here...
lerner and rowe ambulance chsing ad - Search Videos

Part of it is certainly attorneys, but a lot of it is people who want to get something for nothing, and don't mind lying to get it. Disability programs like the ones from the Social Security Administration have run wild.

Thought about, and came back to edit before the "dang government crowd" jumps in.

Like a lot of things the original law was needed and a benefit for workers. But over decades lawsuits have been filed and won, expanding the meaning of what it means to be disabled. So people, whether lawyers or deadbeats, keep expanding the circle.

I don't want to paint with too broad of a brush. I'd say at least a third of the recipients are truly disabled.

Other than real estate transactions and estate planning I’ve only needed an attorney to “handle” something a couple times. It’s easy to bad mouth them. But when you need one you sing their praises.

I think that a lot of lawyers are getting real busy these days with constitutional issues. The courts as well.

Tom H.

25 to 35 percent if not more

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As I heard it , they take a percentage PLUS expenses . Never sued anybody so I'm not sure if that's true .

Well there are over 1 million Lawyers in the US (Population roughly 350 million) and 90,000 in Japan (population around 125 million). Does this tell you something? Dave_n

My oldest son's wife was raised in Germany, she is a "Certified Office Manager," When my son got a job in the Philly area, she got a job at a Law firm with 5 lawyers. She kept the NON-ESCROW books, ordered supplies and did client billing. The firm swears that 60% of their business is in TRO's (Temporary Restraining Orders), most commonly against adult next-door neighbors! (Unruly kids are better than nosey neighbor!)

We, as a family, had apartments for 65 years. (One of my nephews still does office buildings) We had two kinds of lawyers on speed dial. One was to evict deadbeats. The other was to defend us when deadbeats sued us. Both those guys were great and made their money being low cost and high volume.

Our other attorney was several hundred an hour, (never on speed dial!) and did our acquisitions and sales, along with our personal trusts & wills, and an occasional lawsuit or defense thereof!

ever None of these guys advertise or needed to! Nobody on the street recognizes them or their names, all the ambulance chasers know them and avoid them like the plague!

If you are actually paying, you get what you pay for!

Ivan

Yes! Swords at High Noon! Saves court costs.

Ivan

Someone once told me that there is something known as the "American Law." In any other country if an individual or attorney brings up a frivolous lawsuit the judge will have them pay all the court costs, etc. Defining what is frivolous is probably the problem but its only in this country that you can get away with that and we all know that is a major source of the problem.

Seems like the only honest professionals now are politicians and bankers.

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I don't think attorneys and physicians should be allowed to advertise. As a 46 year LEO I can remember when attorneys showed decorum both inside and outside the court room. Not so much anymore.

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You should see some of the TV lawyer ads in Vegas. Sorry, but an attorney who thinks it is smart to be filmed apparently arriving at work in a black Rolls and greeted by the female modeling staff of Tightdresses.com is unlikely to ever get my business.

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Not exactly. The "American rule" generally speaking, means that if you sue someone and lose, you don't have to pay the other party for their attorney fees. But if the suit is truly frivolous, sanctions, including attorney fees, can be imposed.

Moreover, depending upon the particular jurisdiction, the rule doesn't apply to every type of case. It generally applies to tort suits -- such as a personal injury action. In many jurisdictions, the losing party can be ordered to pay the other side's attorney fees in a breach of contract suit, for example, as long as the award isn't contrary to a term of the contract addressing attorney fees.

Beware of the averages, one guy making 3MM a year throws things out of whack.

I dealt with over 50 law firms in my working days, and they were paying their associates around 40k a year. I was always surprised at how little they knew about litigating cases. When I appeared as a witness it was not uncommon for me to have coach our attorney's about how they should handle my testimony as the keeper of the financial records.

The thing I found more frustrating were the number of activist judges who clearly hated financial institutions, and they operated like kings in their county kingdoms.

Bottom line for an attorney operating an individual private practice they have to "kill to eat".

Speak of the devil...

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I do not represent injured people. Proudly representing corporate America.

Yessir, Morgan and Morgan started to advertise out here just a couple of years ago. Some of their billboards are tasteful, and /or professional. Most are silly. I believe it's the senior Morgan who is a prolific Democrat donor there in Florida.

We have Lerner and Rowe presence out here, also. They claim to be residents here in Phoenix, and " raise {their} families" here, also. I had one of their office staffers tell me they spend around 850k per MONTH in advertising. However, I don't if they was for merely here, locally, or in regard to all of their monthly outlay.

The face I see many times per day belongs to Brandon Rafi ..which he pronounces as RAFF-ee. Buses, bus benches, billboards, and AM radio are swamped with his ads.

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The lawyer TV ad I mentioned earlier always shows the mighty head man either getting into or stepping off his private business jet with his entourage.

Without a doubt. BUT I finally figured out that WE are not the kind of people those ads are directed to. The people to whom those ads are directed are the ones who generally get into the majority of wrecks and situations that need lawyers. And given the amount of money involved, it obviously is working.....

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