Ok. For some odd reason I want an EBR that is not an AR. Want to get a rifle with a folding stock and in .223. The Mini 14 looks good but I like to be differant. The Galil has cought me. It is like a AK but from what I have heard built better and shoots better then an AK. The price seems right for the Sporter made by Century Arms. Can any one tell me more? Thanks!

Not super familiar with the Galil, but you may also want to look at the AK-74 in 5.45x39, or simply an Arsenal AK in 5.56x45...

how bout the Para rifle.

I dont have any time behind one, but it looks interesting.

http://www.para-usa.com/new/product_rifle.php

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Wanting a .223. Got lots of it around and like it.

Yes CQB, the Para is some thing I would like but I have too many AR type rifles. Want some thing else.

The Galil is the very best of the AK type rifles. It combines the best features of the Valmet, the FN FAL folding stock, and the accuracy of the AR. They are selling in the range of 2500.00 to 3000.00 and the mags if still available in quantity are 35.00 to 45.00. DO NOT, I repeat DO NOT , buy one of the cheap copies that are now on the market! If you want a GALIL buy an IMI made one imported prior to 1988. I have owned and shot one for years and the original is the only way to go.

You could also look at the Robinson Arms XCR. It has evolved over the last few years.

Some people love it, others not so much.

Do a search on it, and also look for the XCR forum and read through that.

I have one but is hasn't been shot yet.

I like the concept, a modular rifle that you can change calibers on fairly easily by just changing the bolt and the barrel.

bob

Don't fail to consider the price of magazines and spare parts availability. I'll stick with my AR.

I was like you, I wanted an EBR but not a run of the mill AR so I went with the Sig 556. I uses AR mags so I'm not raped there and it's gas piston so it runs cleaner and cooler than an AR as well.

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Yep, the Sig 556 is probably one of the better "non AR" options. Heavy and somewhat expensive though.

Some of the Century Galils now work fine. Early ones had some problems, and there was actually a recall. Well, okay, maybe "fine" is an overstatement. It is Century after all... They're turning out guns that either work okay or can be made to work. Still not really worth what the asking price is.

Buying an IMI, well you're paying an awful premium for what you're actually getting.

Unless you convert a Galil to use AR mags, you're stuck with either expensive steel mags that might be beat up, or mildly less expensive Orlite mags that might be beat up.

The Izzys replaced their Galils with M4 clones. That's why they sold the parts off as surplus and Century can do their builds.

If you want to be different, get a Remington 7615 pump with the collapsible stock. I had one for a while. Sort of pointless, but different.

Another option is the Armalite AR-180

Folding stock, .223/5.6 M-16 mag will work with a new mag catch slot machined in. Takes about 5 minutes.




I carried one in a patrol car for 10 years, in my ranch pickup for another 20. Hasn't hiccuped yet.

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Local dealer got two of the Century Arms Galils and both would not function . Bullets jamming into bottom of barrel where it meets reciever, and chambers very rough.

they were returned

The orginal Galil is a great, high quality gun and has folding night sights and is very rugged. It is a proven, heavy duty design with AK reliability and about the only negative is, that it's very heavy for a .223 caliber.

I owned two of these in 5.56 back in the early 90's: an AR (plastic hand guard, folding stock) and an ARM (wood hand guard, carry handle, bipod, and folding stock). They are Kalashnakov knock-offs more in keeping with the AK47 than AKM. The receivers are milled. Workmanship was just so-so; certainly not any better than the Colt AR's of the time. The rear sight was on the receiver cover and the front sight had a trintium insert. They were very heavy for caliber and were at best average performers. The magazines (35 rounds in 5.56) were of heavy gauge steel and almost indestructible. The best part of the rifle is the folding stock, which was a very good design if somewhat difficult to manipulate. South Africa produced a version called the R-4 under license. IMI quit producing these quite a few years ago. For a collector's item they are great; for a shooter there are better choices.

How about something like this?



It's a .223, by Keltec. Their SU-16B

Now that's what I call a folding stock!

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