S&W Mod 3 .44 Russia Influence

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I am from NYC, S&W 66-8, 4.25". Having this most modern marvel one has to look back:

In the early 1870s, General Alexander Gorloff, the military attaché assigned to the Russian Embassy in Washington, D.C., approached Smith & Wesson about the possibility of negotiating a military sales contract for the purchase of a large number of Smith & Wesson Model 3 revolvers for the Imperial Russian Army.

However, Gorloff had some reservations about the standard .44 S&W American chambering of the pistol which, similar to today's .22 long rifle, had an externally lubricated heeled bullet. Gorloff correctly recognized that such ammunition tends to pick up debris and contaminants which erode the bore when fired, so a qualification of the purchase contract was that Smith & Wesson develop an internally lubricated version of their .44 round.

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z17aT3JzEDI[/ame]

44 Russian generated a much higher chamber pressure of 12,000 copper units of pressure (CUP) compared to the older .44 American round, which generated only 6,000–8,000 CUP. To prevent the new high-pressure ammunition from being fired in .44 American revolvers with disastrous results, the overall cartridge case length was increased by .06 in to 0.970 in.[1] In addition, the cylinder design of the No. 3 revolver had to be changed from the straight bored .

Over 131,000 S&W Model 3 revolvers were eventually sold to the Russian Army (pic 1) some copies were Tula-produced (Pic 2). In addition to the S&W-made revolvers, Belgian-, Spanish- and German-made copies were adopted by several European countries and were used until the 1920s. The .44 Russian chambering became a hit in the domestic market as well, gaining a reputation as the first American revolver cartridge offering inherent accuracy. In time it set many records, eventually becoming known as an established target round, enabling skilled shooters to achieve 3-inch (76 mm) groups at 50 yards (46 m); notable for the time and still impressive today.

Successor designs
The .44 Russian was the parent cartridge for the .44 Special introduced in 1907, which in turn was the parent to the .44 Magnum in 1956.

S&W .44Russian were replaced by Nagant revolvers
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The Nagant was designed by Léon Nagant, whose brother Émile had also taken part in designing the Mosin–Nagant rifle. The Nagant M1895 was adopted as the standard issue sidearm for the Imperial Russian Army and police officers, where it replaced earlier Smith & Wesson models such as the Model 3.

Russia purchased the manufacturing rights in 1898, and moved production to the Tula Arsenal in Russia, and was soon producing 20,000 examples per year.

It was produced in two versions: a double-action version for officers, and a cheaper single-action version for the lower ranks. Seven Nagant revolvers were used by communist revolutionaries to kill the Russian imperial family and their servants in July 1918. After the Russian Revolution, only the double-action version was made.

Nagant revolvers were used by the NKVD and Red Army units until the end of World War II, with a total of 2,000,000 produced.[11] The Nagant began to be replaced by the Tokarev semi-automatic pistol in 1933, and was formally replaced by the Makarov in 1952, though Nagant revolvers continued to see limited use in the Korean War and Vietnam War. (WIKIPEDIA materials were used).

There was no own revolver production in USSR and in postcommunist Russia.
 

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You could argue that the #3 Russian revolver was a better weapon for Calvary officers. It had to be much easier to reload on horseback than reloading the M1895 Nagant revolver which is, shall we say, slower than Christmas. The Nagant did have 7 rounds, but was not nearly as powerful as the #3. Nevertheless, the Nagant served through two World Wars and there are still some surplus guns around today. I own two of them; both from the Tula Arsenal and dated in the mid-1920's. They are fun to play around with and a challenge to shoot well. Second photo shows a comparison of the 7.62x38r ammo and a .32 S&W Long

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I saw them only in museum and the movies. I know in the days of October revolution 1917 some surrogates were produced on machinery factories of St. Petersburg.
Later proverb: " It's hard (to live) in the village without a Nagant ".

Since it comes to that - the main rifle of Russian army since 1869 till beginning of XX century was Berdan 1 and 2 type of rifle with multiple modifications: Berdan rifle - Wikipedia . Later it was sold as hunting gun quite cheap.
 
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Nice to meet you ! I am already 3 days veteran of this Forum.
 
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Thanks for showing us many fine examples of pistols you're interested.

Welcome aboard from coastal North Carolina. Tell us a bit about yourself.
 
Thanks for showing us many fine examples of pistols you're interested.

Welcome aboard from coastal North Carolina. Tell us a bit about yourself.

I am a Doc from NYC, 70 yo, started shooting and studying pistols and revolvers only recently. No military or else experience (some CZech pneumatic in 70-s);"felt booth" as they would call me in Eastern Europe.

Have Walther PP .32, German made, actually great gun. But now fully devoted to SW66-8 .375 4.25". STudying gun care, ammo characteristics, speeds, pressures etc. Interesting and new. I like doing some extracurriculars - in student years and bit later went to 11 or 12 summer building brigades: notably - 1973 railroad repair in the middle of Sakhalin Island; 1974 - underground piping in Prague, Czech Rep., 1975 - building concrete highway, in Siberia (Krasnoyarsk region) and so on. NYC does everything to slow you down weaponwise. In 90 days may be looking for CCW, also for Mrs.
 
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Thank you for your warm greetings.
BTW I held WVa MD License in late 1990-s. Board was in Morgantown if I am not mistaken.
 
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Does anyone use that lock on modern S&W that I have on 66-8 of 2024 (see teh picture) ? I know pieces of story of those locks. Every S & W revolver made since 2001 has it.
Not so reasonable in a single revolver user, just a chance to lose the key (like you ALWAYS lose the stiletto for the phone MicroSD card extraction).
 

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Also a big welcome from WV.

Watch for rub marks on the side of the hammer, and slow take-up in double action. Those are about the only indications that there may be a fitment problem with the lock. I have a 617-6 that had sometimes a sluggish DA. I replaced the lock with the S&W Lock Delete, sold by Original Precision. Easy to do. (I have no affiliation with the maker.)

Don't lock the gun, and you'll never lose the key.
 
Also a big welcome from WV.

Watch for rub marks on the side of the hammer, and slow take-up in double action. Those are about the only indications that there may be a fitment problem with the lock. I have a 617-6 that had sometimes a sluggish DA. I replaced the lock with the S&W Lock Delete, sold by Original Precision. Easy to do. (I have no affiliation with the maker.)

Don't lock the gun, and you'll never lose the key.

Priceless advise ! I found a seller of the "plug": Smith & Wesson Revolver Internal Lock Plug Replacement Kit

– TK Custom Store
and a video with DIY: [ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMI8r27Hp90[/ame]
 

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