U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service Declares Eastern Panther Extinct

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No eastern panther has been officially documented in the 21 eastern states since the 1930s, except for the subspecies in Florida, and so the eastern panther has been declared officially extinct. That will be news to some folks around here, I assure y'all.

Any of you folks east of the Mississippi have any big cat sightings to report?

BTW, excellent bit of commentary on the passing of this big cat from New England by some writer up thataway name of Thoreau can be found here: Henry David Thoreau on the extinction of the eastern cougar - The Angle - Boston.com


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As I have commented on this forum more than once, there are many good reasons for the state and federal wildlife management authorities to disclaim and deny the existence of viable populations of felis concolor, or whatever taxonomists are now officially calling the species, in the Midwest and New England states, so this pronouncement comes as no surprise.

There is certainly some credible evidence of mountain lions occurring in Michigan (some of it affirmatively confirmed by Harley Shaw, retired AZ Game & Fish lion research biologist) and plausible if unconfirmed anecdotal evidence elsewhere.

Were the presence of lions to be officially acknowledged, various "protective" schemes would be triggered, some, probably, adversely affecting some forms of hunting and various land uses. This is now officially a sleeping dog, which ought to be left unmolested...

Here in AZ, there's an ongoing, inane, "search" for "borderland Jaguars", which are the occasional stray migrants from their actual, natural habitats from much farther south. Recently, an ocelot, was spotted (no pun intended) near Sierra Vista, AZ, far, far outside its normal range. Some of us are crossing fingers in hope that some whackos don't try to claim that ocelot "habitat" in southern AZ warrants special protection.
 
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Yes, my mom owns a Nextel phone business in Mariana, FL and one of her costumers came in with his phone. Apparently, he went hunting over the weekend down between Marianna and Panama City. He killed a nice white tail and after trailing it he finally came across his kill. It was being hauled off by a Mountain Lion. The guy took a great picture of it with his phone. I saw it and couldnt believe that Mountain Lions were here in Florida.
 
Can't speak to species or sub species, but here in my area, we have big long tailed cats in Russell County. That is the way I describe them. I have seen one, and several in my church who are hunters have seen them. One has been seen by more than one person in the same car at night in the same area. Also my brother has seen a trail camera shot locally of a big cat dragging a buck in front of the camera. Oh yeah, they're here. Like I said, they may be part of the Florida species but we've got 'em. Yeah and we have an abundance of gators as well. Wild hogs are so bad that Ft. Benning is paying a bounty becvause they're tearing up the training areas. Don't get me started about the armadillos. We have become an international zoo around here.
 
Although I have not seen one, two of my neighbors claim they have. One was in a tree watching her young boys playing and the other was seen in a cow pasture.
One night I did hear a cat scream at the farm near the Roanoke County line. It was something I will never forget!
 
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It’s not always cut & dried when claiming extinction. Back in 2008 in the California Sierras west of Lake Tahoe, a Wolverine was caught on film by an Oregon biologist’s game camera. The biologists were tracking Pine Marten populations if I remember correctly. The last verified reported sighting of a Wolverine in California was back in the 1920s. They have long been thought extinct here. Since 2008 several other Wolverines have been identified here by the DNA in their scat.
 
Where I live in SW Ga., People see them all the time. I have personally seen one. But, according to the DONR there aint none here.
 
Sounds Like?

The local warden told me that he thinks a lot of the mountain lion reports are based on people hearing bobcats and thinking that they are cougars (actually, of all the names this animal has, I like catamount the best).

Here's a site with some short sound bites of each species so you can compare.

Catamount: Preview the lion_cougar2 Sound Effect

Bobcat: Preview the lion_bob-cat2 Sound Effect

There are several recordings of each species to help get an idea of the range of vocalizations they produce.

Years ago when she visited me down here, my daughter reported hearing "a mountain lion right outside my bedroom window last night." Waited patiently the next night, and sure 'nuff, round about 10:30, old Mr. Screechie let loose with a volley that could have woken the dead. I expect that some reports are based on that misidentification, too, although I am convinced that there are catamounts in the Appalachians and the Blue Ridge in particular. Whether they are the eastern panther or Florida panthers that have migrated I don't know, but as a neighbor said some years back after a sighting out her kitchen window, "well it looked at first like a funny deer, right color, except the legs were too short and the tail was too long."

I think catamounts have a special place in our consciousness because they represent what is really wild, a part of America that I hope we never lose.


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Back in the mid 90's,my then wife and I were on a road near the Great Pee Dee River in Marlboro Co. SC .A large cat,about the size of a border collie ran across the road in front of us.Very fast.It was light brown and had a long tail.Local vet said it was probably a panther.
 
A customere of mine lives in Central PA near a ski resort and saw one at least two times 5 years ago. The cats in the area were dissappearing also.
 
The local warden told me that he thinks a lot of the mountain lion reports are based on people hearing bobcats and thinking that they are cougars (actually, of all the names this animal has, I like catamount the best).

Here's a site with some short sound bites of each species so you can compare.
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The sounds remind me of the time I used to ride with the Sheriff of our county on Friday night. He was old school LE and we would just go and sit in certain areas with the windows down, lights out & motor off and just listen to what was going on at night. Very educational and good tactics. He was also a practical joker. One Friday night we set up in a secluded little area out inn the county where we could observe a small group of houses where most all of the residents were related to one another. It was about 11 pm and all the lights were out. He smiled and said "watch this" and thenn he pulled a cassette out of his pocket and put it into the radio. He then set the county radio on "PA" so it would broadcast through the outside speaker when he keyed the mike. When the tape started the hair on the back of my neck stood up. It was a tape of two lions mating. Wow, talk about primal. Well, it didn't take long for the lights to come on everywhere and the curtains to be pulled back. Porch lights on everywhere and people peeking out of the windows, BUT NOONE came outside. We laughed until we were almost sick. We eased out of the area and went to another part of the county. That was a fun night. If we spent more time in the woods, we would be amazed at what inhabits them.
 
And in other, unrelated news thte U S Fish & Wildlife dept has unveiled its new logo. Its a striking figure of one of their agents standing on a beach with his head fully buried in the sand. Its to honor the Ostrich population which they say is dwindling.

I'm just a dumb ole hillbilly. I have no idea what the officials we pay to do things hope to accomplish. They'll pretty much do as they please and we'll continue paying for it. Our government seems to have a lot of useless people doing useless stuff on our dime. Yes, there is waste that can be cut. We see a good example of it right here.

I'm kind of a fan of reading reports in the papers (and online) of our local mountain lion sightings. I've not personally seen one myself, only sign. But where there's smoke, there's fire. When someone see's one, the officials say its not proof, its only an unconfirmed sighting. When they see hard evidence, its still not proof to them. I'm thinking they need a shot up carcass. Maybe what they really need is a wounded one tossed in their offices.

Back about 1981 or 82 a friend and I were hiking in an uninhabited area. Its really close to our local airport, and consisted of 3 fairly large farms that had been acquired as an investment for an industrial park. The region had been used for years by dirt bikes and jeeps. One of the trails went down a ridge toward the creek at the bottom. It was kind of wide, maybe 10' and was at the time loose dirt (chewed up by dirt bikes.) About 50 to 75' along I realized I'd been seeing footprints coming uphill. I stopped to look and realized they were big prints, with the pad being wider than my palm.

My friend asked what those were. Bobby wasn't much of an outdoorsman. I told him it was the sound of my mother calling me. At the time I was in my 30s and he didn't understand. Didn't matter, I was heading back to my truck. He was just confused and continued to question me. No, they weren't dog prints because dogs have toenails that tend to dig into the dirt as they move uphill. No, we don't have bears (do now) and bears have even bigger claws that you can really see in prints. Finally he got the idea. Then he asked how big a cat it would have to be to have that size feet. My only answer was a really big dog only has feet half that size.

So I called the local game warden/wildlife guy. He was all ears. Then he asked if I would take him there. So I said sure, except I was going to carry a pistol. He said he was too. :D My friend wanted to go along too, so we met in another hour or so. The state guy also had along his handy dandy camera. Because it had been dry the prints were easy to find and we took the time to "mess with them". Meaning a little finger pressure on the high points to see if they crumbled (they did).

The official answer was they were clearly cat prints, and from the size, the critter was maybe 150 or more pounds. But he stopped short of saying they were wild mountian lion tracks. His possible answers were it could be someone with an exotic pet out exercising it. It included maybe an african lion, etc. I didn't buy it, and he was smiling. His logic also allowed for an animal that had gone feral, with mountain lion being one of them. Or just as easily a wild one passing through the region. He didn't think it was one sustaing itself because more domestic animals would be missing and possible sightings. But he liked the tracks! :D
 
When I was a young boy it wasn,t unusual to see them. I personally saw one on dozens of occasions. My father and I were coon hunting when I was about twelve when we had a particularly scary encounter. We were walking home from hunting on Panther Creek when a panther started following us. We had two coons in a sack and apparently the thing was following the smell of the blood. he was just out of sight behind us. We decided to bait him in with the coons and get a good look at him. we laid the coons out on a log and walked twenty or thirty yards away and turned off our lights. That panther was smarter than us and instead of walking up the trail he circled around until he was uphill of us. needless to say when we realized we were now the hunted we turned the lights back on and made lots of noise. He stayed nearby until we made it to my dads truck and got out of there. Another night we came face to face with one. It was probably the same cat. He was twenty yards sitting on a log. we had just parked to go coon hunting and the dogs wouldn,t get out of the back of the truck. I shined my light up the trail and there he was. We watched him for a couple of minutes before he disappeared. We decided not to hunt that particular spot that night. The last time I personally saw one was 1992. I was going to work early in the morning before daylight and one stepped out in the road in front of me. I had to brake hard not to hit him. Maybe I should have hit him, then I would have had some proof.
 
The last time I personally saw one was 1992. I was going to work early in the morning before daylight and one stepped out in the road in front of me. I had to brake hard not to hit him. Maybe I should have hit him, then I would have had some proof.

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A few years ago the local TV (Roanoke VA) ran a video clip sent in by a viewer near Mt. Rogers. It clearly shows a long tailed catamount strolling across a field.

Fish and game discounted it, saying they had no way to tell where it was shot.
 
Michigan DNR claims we don't have them. I saw one about 5 years ago down the road 100 yards out in a field. I stopped and watched him slowly walk to the woods looking back at my truck as he went.
I later found prints on my property likely from him.
I saw another a few miles from here in another farm field a couple years ago.

I saw pictures a friend took of one too in her backyard. The DNR came out and took plaster casts of the paw prints and deemed it a large house cat. Biggest house cat I've ever heard of.

Supposedly in the early 1900s a circus train wrecked in NW Michigan and some cats escaped. They are claimed to be the breeding stock of our population now and makes sense to me.
 
The wildlife folks are not saying that there are no cougars in the area but rather that there are no Eastern Cougars still around. They suggest that the frequent sightings are due to the presence of different subspecies such as the subspecies native to the western part of the country.

I saw one last year. There is no doubt in my mind what it was.
 
Here's the pic going around the web for several years now.
It was sent to me as being from a trail cam in Benton county, Tennessee. You guy's be the judge, however, the terrain looks more like a desert floor to me.

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