Sig 245: A Modern Detonics Combat Master?

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when it comes to the detonics combat master I've always regretted taking an italian beretta 85 over an all black mint condition Detonics.

and just recently found out that sig had also made a very small version of the 220 called the 245 that has the DA/SA Ability of the Sig 220 that looks damn close to the detonics in overal shape and ammo capacity, 6 rounds of .45 and about a 3.9 inch barrel

and I gotta wonder has anyone who's shot the detonics combat master ever tried one of these and how good are they compaired to the Detonics with its 3 recoil spring system Vs the 1 spring in the 245?

and this is what it looks like for those who dont know what I'm talking about.

http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/259930000/259930420/pix594366047.jpg

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I owned a Sig P220 in the mid-1980s when they were just starting to enter the US market. While I loved the quality and light weight, the Sig just didn't fit my hand like a Colt 1911 did (I think the bore axis was too high for me in comparison to the Colt).

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Dave
 
Sig currently offers the P220 Compact in a grip length that is the same as the P245. It's also offered in an SAS version. So, in a way the P245 is still being made. Unfortunately it also seems to be rather difficult to find and like any new Sig they are a bit spendy.
 
Buy a springfield armory compact Officer's Model size unless a DA trigger means something to you
 
SIG-Sauer P220 Compact Elite SAO

I think this is more in line with what you're talking about. I was thinking of it as a perfected Star PD but I agree that the Detonics comparison is a more valid one.

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One thing that I really like about the little SIG (available from CDNN for $549 right now, BTW) is that you can run the slide with the safety on. Nice to be able to always keep your single-action pistol on safe except when you're ready to shoot.

I also like that it comes from the factory Southpaw friendly, with a real combat safety that doesn't click off inadvertently (unlike many 1911 ambi safeties I've had). Along with tritium sights, aluminum stocks, and flawless, accurate (one hole at 10 yards with a variety of ammo) function.

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Sold a Sig P245 to fund a Para-Ord Slim Hawg stainless. I am a happy camper. The Para is a tack driver, and carries well, if a bit on the heavy side for some.
 
Herknav said:
I haven't shot the Sig, but the 245 is a bit thicker than a Detonics.
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certainly seems it actually

WC145 said:
If you want a modern Detonics CombatMaster you can buy one, they're back again (again). Detonics Defense Technologies: Enhancing Combat Precision
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I dont know I havent really heard anything about it for quite some time and plus I'm stuck in MA so it would be nearly impossibile to import probably if they are making it.

although I did see a 245 pop up on an online gunshop site around here a few months ago, however at that time I didnt look into it as I was pretty much swooning at the fact that my gunsmith had still both the beretta 85 and the P38 tied up for the longest time and I need to send the walther off to another gunsmith for a problem he missed in the tenature it was there for, plus a proper trigger job and to have the replacment ww2 slide a 100% checked out.

and the 85 was there for a broken trigger spring but I'm not a 100 sure if I should blame the gun for that as I pulled on something with the grips off by accident that caused the trigger spring to undo itself and I may have caused a stress fracture on it when I tried to put it back together myself.


29aholic said:
Buy a springfield armory compact Officer's Model size unless a DA trigger means something to you
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it kind of does honesly and it was one of the reasons why I went with the beretta over it originally and ontop of that it has the same kind of safety system as the 220 Compact elite there


and thats part of what peaked my interest in the 245, seems to be about roughly the same size wise as the detonics and It doesnt have to be carried cocked and locked, still its nice to know I have an option between an SAO and a traditional SA/DA one

actually does the elite there have any sort of firing pin block?
 
I have a 245 and a couple of 220's. When I carry I have a 220 mag. for that extra round. I also have a Para LDA 3.25 which is small enough the weight isn't a problem and carry an 8 round 1911 mag for extras.I also have a Para LDA 4. something, hold 12 plus 1 ,needs no extra mag. and shoots 230 gr Hydrs-shocks as well as the Sig 245. Sigs and any double stack 45 are thick, an "Officers" sized 45 carries nice in warm weather or cold. Ivan
 
have to admit I've never really given Para Ordnance much thought, but they do look to be on par size wise with the old detonics combat master.

but what about the quality control with them? their not like taurus where its a 50/50 shot if you get a good one are they?
 
Can you have an actual Detonics in MA? If so, the Georgia generation guns are kind of hard to find but well worth it. They only made them in 2005, somewhere between 500-600 total from what I've seen.
 
Never shot a SIG P245, but have had a Para (P12) and several Detonics, Star PD, and Smith 4516-2. Of the lot the most controlable of the lot was the Para but it was a 12 shot pistol too with the accordingly fat grip (but it still hid pretty well).
If your looking for a truly good and reliable compact .45, you might want too look at the HK45C! That said I still like the Combat Master as it is a nice little .45 that hides very well, yet shoots like a target pistol. Dale
 
I had a problem with my small Para Carry 3.25, it was 3 or 4 years out of warranty. I paid for the dealer to ship back to the factory (now in Fla.) and had it back in somewhere around 22 days. The larger Para Carry (12 shot) has never had a hick-up. a note on the 3.25: after the wake of a friend, another friend and I went to celabrate his life with an impromtive shoot. We had very limited supplies of ammo and no targets, I shot 17 rounds of 230gr. Hydra-shock at a 20 ounce pop bottle, I hit it twice and never missed by more than 6 inches (all to the right), The distance-only 45 yards!!! I think the Quality and service are fine. Ivan the Butcher
 
WC145 said:
Can you have an actual Detonics in MA? If so, the Georgia generation guns are kind of hard to find but well worth it. They only made them in 2005, somewhere between 500-600 total from what I've seen.
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As long as its pre Nazi 1998 as I call it and in the state of MA then yeah. as thats when all of those BS drop tests and consumer protection laws were twisted to not to allow guns in without them going through a drop test of about 2 examples or more for a model to be MA certified, hell they even tried at one point to make it illegal for guns to have a trigger pull of less than 5 pounds but a womans gunclub actually twisted there arm about it and they dropped it.

and how do you tell its a georgia era gun exactly, does it say it on the slide somewhere?


Badkarma 1 said:
Never shot a SIG P245, but have had a Para (P12) and several Detonics, Star PD, and Smith 4516-2. Of the lot the most controlable of the lot was the Para but it was a 12 shot pistol too with the accordingly fat grip (but it still hid pretty well).
If your looking for a truly good and reliable compact .45, you might want too look at the HK45C! That said I still like the Combat Master as it is a nice little .45 that hides very well, yet shoots like a target pistol. Dale
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Looking at the HK 45 C here is it a single stack or a double as I cant tell from the photos
Heckler and Koch HK45 Compact 45 NEW HK45C HK H&K : Semi-auto at GunBroker.com

and is 8 the normal capacity for it? but unfortunately on that note I dont think they can be brought into MA, although I have seen HK's around here before, so I'm not a 100% on it


anyways how well does the 4516 shoot anyways? I've always kind of wondered about it


Ivan the Butcher said:
I had a problem with my small Para Carry 3.25, it was 3 or 4 years out of warranty. I paid for the dealer to ship back to the factory (now in Fla.) and had it back in somewhere around 22 days. The larger Para Carry (12 shot) has never had a hick-up. a note on the 3.25: after the wake of a friend, another friend and I went to celabrate his life with an impromtive shoot. We had very limited supplies of ammo and no targets, I shot 17 rounds of 230gr. Hydra-shock at a 20 ounce pop bottle, I hit it twice and never missed by more than 6 inches (all to the right), The distance-only 45 yards!!! I think the Quality and service are fine. Ivan the Butcher
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hmm so it seems like the one to go for in that case is not the single stack but the double then? and I do know para ordinace is allowed in MA although only with a 10 round magazine.
 
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Kavinsky said:
and how do you tell its a georgia era gun exactly, does it say it on the slide somewhere?
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The GA-era I have seen say "Detonics USA" on the slide, with "CombatMaster" underneath. Detonics USA was the name of the company in its GA iteration.

I'm not sure what the "New Detonics" (AZ-era) pistols say on them, but these are fairly rare to my understanding.

The original (WA-era) pistols that I'm aware of have "Detonics .45" on the slide, either by itself or with "Combat Master" on a second line. The Seattle guns do say "Seattle, WA" underneath the company name. This is printed on the right side of the frame just in front of the trigger guard. To the best of my knowledge, the Seattle guns are the only ones to utilize "Mk" numbers (1-7 in Roman numerals). I've sometimes seen a Mk number printed on a slide, but I don't know if it's factory or not.

I know this is spotty. I'm not a collector, so I don't know a lot. This is probably not 100% accurate, but maybe it'll help you sort through the mess.
 
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