Warranty

the item with the red arrow resets the striker and has nothing to do with the tension of the second spring removed in the sear assem.

cbr6864 said:

Sadly most firearm companies have gone to this kind of warranty there are two possible reasons one the company knows its product will fail after a certain amount of time and consider it too costly to offer life time repair, or two the company just wishes to save money by only offering warranty work to the original owner

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IMO,I think S&W is wrong for being this way.You have a foreign made gun,Glock,that has come to America and is used and sold to 60% or more of the US goverment,and general population,and they offer a lifetime warranty on any gun,original owner or not.S&W has been American made since 1852 and will only warrant their gun to the original owner.....that is so wrong!

Not really if you think about it. Most handguns that are sold used are not sold with the owners manual or a full history on the gun. Even though the owners manual is very easy to get, most people don't get it. The second or third owner of a gun souly rely on people they know or the internet, Case in point, for the required info on their newly aquired firearm. These people have no idea if we are just pulling there leg to see what they will do or if we are generally good people that want to see others enjoy what they have purchased and not do something with grave consequence. Sorry to be so blunt but as you know Ruger, i am not one for beating around the bush.
This Warranty from Glock is a new thing then. Every Glock I have every seen or heard of is 1 year and has very sensitive area attached to it. I wonder what has changed about the design, did the steal Singa's barrel designs and material. LOL!!!

vector16 said:

I am the guy that has done everything to his Sigma already. The striker spring does dot really affect the trigger weight. Maybe in theory it would. In practical application it does not.

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??? Not sure I follow you as the striker spring is what you are pulling back in order to fire. The striker has everything to do with the felt weight.

vector16 said:

Removing the pig tail spring takes about 1/2 - 1 lb off. Replacing the other spring in the sear with a spring of less tension or removing it all together reduces the trigger weight considerably. I tested mine with a fish scale

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No offense but I wouldnt put too much faith in a fish scale. The "pigtail" spring is not as heavy as the striker.

vector16 said:

I tried repacing the striker spring as well before i did all the other stuff. that took it down to 8 lbs which is great. after the gun is fired 200 times the trigger will not reset.

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I dont see how putting a wolf spring in only got you to 8lbs, my stock sigma is just a hair above 8lbs

Ruger Nut said:

IMO,I think S&W is wrong for being this way.You have a foreign made gun,Glock,that has come to America and is used and sold to 60% or more of the US goverment,and general population,and they offer a lifetime warranty on any gun,original owner or not.S&W has been American made since 1852 and will only warrant their gun to the original owner.....that is so wrong!

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Neither Glock nor S&W have an official lifetime 'warranty.'

Glock

WARRANTY STATEMENT:
Based on the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act, GLOCK Inc. offers no express warranty on its product line. However, GLOCK Inc. recognizes its obligation concerning implied warranty. GLOCK Inc. products will be serviced for a period of one year from date of retail purchase, for defects in materials or workmanship, at no charge to the purchaser. Be sure to retain your sales slip as proof of purchase date when making a claim.

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Smith & Wesson

LIMITED WARRANTY For Owners Within The United States
This warranty is granted by Smith & Wesson Corp. This warranty is effective from the date of purchase and applies to the original owner of any firearm. With respect to such firearms, this warranty supersedes any and all other warranties.
Smith & Wesson firearms are warranted to be free from defects in material and workmanship. Any such defects of which Smith & Wesson receives written notice within one year from the date of purchase by the original owner, will be remedied by Smith & Wesson without charge within a reasonable time after such notification and delivery of the firearm as provided below.

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Smith & Wesson also has a Lifetime Service Policy

Smith & Wesson’s Lifetime Service Policy begins after the warranty period has expired. Smith & Wesson will repair, without charge, for the lifetime of the original owner, any Smith & Wesson handgun purchased on or after February 1, 1989, and any M&P15 series rifle, that is found to have a defect in material or workmanship. Eligibility for this Lifetime Service Policy requires returning the Product Registration Card within 30 days of purchase. The Lifetime Service Policy covers functional defects; it does not include the firearm’s finish, grips, magazines or sights. The Lifetime Service Policy is in addition to and not an extension of the Smith & Wesson Warranty.

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In practice, both Glock and S&W go beyond their written warranties. S&W has serviced two police trade-ins guns for me.

vector16 said:

the item with the red arrow resets the striker and has nothing to do with the tension of the second spring removed in the sear assem.

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It looks like you are pointing to the trigger bar which really has nothing to do with resetting the striker. As the trigger is pulled the sear pulls the striker back to a point at which the sear drops and allows the striker to move forward firing the gun. At that point the trigger bar drops down now is where the sear spring (58) so called "pigtail spring" and coil spring come into play, the force from these two springs push the sear block forward making it ready for next cycle.

By removing the "pigtail" spring you only weaken the reset of the gun nothing more. Refer to section 4 of patent info for a more detailed description of the operation of the pistol

gc70,when I talked to a CSA at S&W she said they would warrant the used 9VE for life,even tho I was not the original owner.And,a Glock CSA told me the same about their guns.

I own a lot of used Ruger firearms and NEVER had a problem with customer service on repairs,and never have been charged!

im guessing manufactures but the original owner thing in there so that they may do repairs at their discretion.

cbr6864 said:

It looks like you are pointing to the trigger bar which really has nothing to do with resetting the striker. As the trigger is pulled the sear pulls the striker back to a point at which the sear drops and allows the striker to move forward firing the gun. At that point the trigger bar drops down now is where the sear spring (58) so called "pigtail spring" and coil spring come into play, the force from these two springs push the sear block forward making it ready for next cycle.

By removing the "pigtail" spring you only weaken the reset of the gun nothing more. Refer to section 4 of patent info for a more detailed description of the operation of the pistol

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The sear block catches the striker spring (21). The part of the trigger assembly which was pointed to, pushes up on a little button on the underside of the slide (19) which allows the firing pin to move far enough forward to strike the primer. These springs apply upward pressure on the sear block. The longer of the two apllies the pressure while the shorter one is there to stablize the longer one which is inside. with the both of them combined it creates alot of unessesary pressure which in the end creates a very heavy trigger pull.
Instead of just trying to push theory onto practical application, why don't YOU test YOUR pull with the spring in there, then take the spring out and test your pull again so YOU can see if there is a difference. Your gun does not have to have a round in the chamber to test the trigger. Then after you have had some practical application and made up you own mind you can either leave the spring off or slip it back on. Either way it take about a minute to take it off and a minute to put it back on.
There is a saying, "Never make Fact of theory, always test theory in practical application to conclude of fact or theory".

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Any further discussion on this matter is pointless. Its not a theory of mine it is a fact point blank that is how the pistol works. Id still like to hear how the trigger bar helps to reset the sear.

People you can either read the patent info created by S&W engineers or listen to people online using a fish scale to measure trigger pull. Be careful what you do to your firearm. Most Sigma owners are first time gun owners so keep that in mind with any advise offered online.

Unnesessary parts have been added. This was part of a settlement.The parts that were added work. The patent is to include these other parts. you want to see how the trigger resets, you said it yourself, take the slide off and pull and release the trigger, ta, da.
To all of you people out there new to firearms and handguns:
Use the gun the way it was engineered to operate. If you alter this, your weapon may cause seriuos injury and the manuf'r is not responsable. You sign a paper when you purchased the gun, you will not alter the gun in any way, so don't. Leave the trial and error stuff up to the "mindless" such as myself to see what we can take off of a gun, car, bike, boat etc and still find a way for it to work.
If you wish to start messing with the manuf'r guidelines, start with your fish'n pole and after you loose a finger or two move up from there.

Is that better CBR???

I like them the way there made.

Thats great 357, I have been trying to get mine to fail remember? Under typical circumstances that would actualy happen in the real world without altering the parts like cutting the springs or heating the barrel with a settling torch. I have yet to have it happen. I put the sear springs back to its original condition today except left ot the pig tail sping (lost it) and went out fired about 300 rounds no issues at all. I think I am over 20K rounds now. I just stopped counting. I think after we have that many rounds through a gun its pretty well understood, its a good gun.

vector16 said:

Wow CBR that is a great explanation. However, I am the guy that has done everything to his Sigma already. The striker spring does dot really affect the trigger weight. Maybe in theory it would. In practical application it does not. Removing the pig tail spring takes about 1/2 - 1 lb off. Replacing the other spring in the sear with a spring of less tension or removing it all together reduces the trigger weight considerably. I tested mine with a fish scale with the spring, 8lbs, without the spring, 4.5 lbs. everything mirror polished and lubed up with a high quality lube 3.8lbs.
I tried repacing the striker spring as well before i did all the other stuff. that took it down to 8 lbs which is great. after the gun is fired 200 times the trigger will not reset. If the remove the sear spring and the remaining spring is not in that indentation perfect you may have some trigger reseting problems. If it is in there just right, and its not hard to do, just look at it, it fine for thousands and thousands of rounds. Mine has not failed to reset since i did it over 10,000 rounds ago. I have almost 20K thru mine.

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Can you explain how to do it without it affecting the reset ? Is there not other springs to get that would lighten the pull? And why would it take so many rounds before the reset fails? Seems it would happen immediately. Just trying to understand and am thinking of doing this myself. I am new to guns, I have watched how to videos and feel i could do it, but JUST IN CASE what, if any are the potential dangers of this

SuthernShooter said:

Can you explain how to do it without it affecting the reset ? Is there not other springs to get that would lighten the pull? And why would it take so many rounds before the reset fails? Seems it would happen immediately. Just trying to understand and am thinking of doing this myself. I am new to guns, I have watched how to videos and feel i could do it, but JUST IN CASE what, if any are the potential dangers of this

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If you mess around with or alter a guns operating design, remove parts, add parts, or switch parts out with other parts, you are taking the chance the gun will misfire, FTE. FTF, go boom instead of bang, injure you, injure someone else, kill you and or someone else. When you perchase a gun, you sign a contract stating it is illegal to alter the mechanics of the firearm, it is dangerous and illegal. This being said, The Wolff spring needs time to settle in and wear in a little while before it starts acting up. The sear spring you need to remove to get the lighter trigger pull is just there to make the trigger pull heavy.
If you are new to guns, Pay attention to this. DO NOT ALTER THE MECHANICS OF YOUR GUN. it is dangerous if you do not know what you are doing. you could kill someone like your mother, your sister, father, brother, your dog, yourself. Get to know the gun you own, learn how the gun works, learn how to clean that thing better than a factory cleaning, learn how and why the different lubes out there affect the way you gun operates. That is the thing you should be consintrating on. I have been around guns since I was 4 years old and got my first .22 LR at 10yr old.
all that stuff being said this is a spring you can replace w/o atering the way you gun was designed to operate. Once you replace it and use it for a while you will come to understand it is not required to even be there.
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