Jim Cirillo's Service Revolver, the Model 10.

RichCapeCod · Jul 6, 2013

hotrod150 said:
I question this statement. I will agree that it can be just as accurate in DA as in SA for some shooters (unfortunately not including me), but MORE accurate?

Yup. That's been my experience. And all of the firearms instructors at the Outdoor Range at Rodman's Neck (those that were shooters at any rate) also seemed to be of the same opinion. I watched guys, shooting their model 29s, at a silhouette match plunking their big .44 slugs into the metal targets at god-knows what distance (I forget now...), all DA.

The S&W K-frame and larger revolvers have wonderful triggers for DA work. While Colt did make some nice handguns I found their DA to be "stagey." I attribute that to their "V" main spring.

With the S&W, at least for me, I find it best to take up most of the slack on the DA pull and then make sure my sights are aligned for that last little bit of pull remaining.

Rich

BigBoku · Jul 6, 2013

Jim, was always a gentleman, I was lucky enough to spend many occassions with him as well as Bill Allard at Rodmans Neck, I still see Bill occasionally when he stops in to visit the Range, both are and were Gentleman and true "Cops"with a wealth of real world experience and knowledge.

Here is a quote from one of Bills encounters that was written about.

" Bill emptied his Ithaca 12-gauge shotgun into a pair of heavily armed gunmen, only to find both of them still up and running after a total of five solid 00 buckshot hits. Transitioning to his S&W Model 10 service revolver, he pumped three .38 Special bullets into each man’s chest. By that point, both gunmen were down, but one was still trying to shoot him from the floor with an auto-loading carbine. Bill dropped his empty .38 and drew his specially authorized backup, a 1911 .45, and put seven rounds into the last gunman’s torso and the eighth into his head. Reloading from slide-lock, he realized at last that the gun battle was over and both of his antagonists were dead."

Bill was gracious enough to allow me to try out that Colt 1911 National Match as he still carries it, the last time I was with Jim he had his Glock 27.

P.S. that "Oldflatfoot" guy below that liked my post may know a thing or two or three about those NYPD
days too.

LOBO · Jul 6, 2013

Bill Allard interview comes in around 22:00,

010 Save The Blue Trail Range and a Conversation with Bill Allard « The ProArms Podcast

J. W. · Jul 6, 2013

SG-688 said:
Was it Cirrillo who wrote that he wrapped his grips with electrician's tape -- the high grade stuff that doesn't leave your hands black -- to fit them to his hand? That was an early days PPC method.

As I recall the story, he imagined unknowing onlookers as thinking something like, "Look at the dumb cop who wrapped his broken grips with tape."

My grandfather has the grips of his old service revolver (6" Colt Official Police) wrapped in friction tape. I can recall as a kid asking why he did that. It looked horrible and would make your hands sticky.

Now that I'm grown and a copper myself I fully realize the benefit of what he did. Pretty forward thinking for a lawman of the area before rubber grip sleeves and "tacti-cool" gadgets.

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jimmyj · Jul 6, 2013

Hi:
During my career I observed a number of target hammer bent from dropping. Most of the spurs would bend straight up, but a few bent down rending the revolver unable to fire.

RichCapeCod · Jul 6, 2013

jimmyj said:
Hi:
During my career I observed a number of target hammer bent from dropping. Most of the spurs would bend straight up, but a few bent down rending the revolver unable to fire.

I remember bent hammer spurs being "bobbed" and trimmed by dept gunsmiths for just that reason!

Rich

BE Mike · Jul 17, 2013

I really enjoy following this thread, especially the comments by those who were close to Jim Cirillo. I was fortunate to have had some contact with Mr. Cirillo in the mid-80's when I was detailed to FLETC for several months as a firearms instructor for my agency. One of the big benefits to me, of which there were many, were being able to hear first accounts of gun battles from the participants, including Mr. Cirillo. I was also privy to read about other encounters from official files. These were great lessons. I can't add anything about the Cirillo model 10 specifically. I do remember that when I was rubbing shoulders with Mr. Cirillo, he was a big fan of the CZ 75. I also remember some accounts of the NYC stakeout squad. IIRC, he told of an account of an armed robbery and the stakeout squad's primary weapon was the Ithaca model 37 in 12 gauge, loaded with slugs.

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