Bonnie & Clyde

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They were two cold blooded killers who show no mercy to their victims... That posse did fine work when it ended their murderous crime spree.

The only thing that would have been better would have been 1000 lawmen watering their graves during their funerals...in another 50 years some dim witted Hollywood idiot will make a similar film with Osama ben Laden being the victim of the merciless US military,and the movie critics will love it...

Faye was a cutey though.
 
You would not have liked the real Bonnie. I read where she screamed like a wild animal during the ambush. I recently bought a Remington Model 8 in 35 Remington in honor of Frank Hamer and the shoot out.

Except that the best information is that Hamer did not use a Model 8 in the ambush - most probably he used a shotgun at the time. There was an interview with Hamer's son which started the Model 8 story, and it was later shown that regarding Hamer's gun, it had not even been made until after the ambush (it was a Model 81 in .35 Rem). Hamer did have a Model 8 in .25 Rem (presentation engraved), but it was probably not used by anyone during the B&C incident. It seems there were two Model 8s involved, but Hamer used neither of them. There were no Thompsons used in the ambush (as often shown in the various movies), but there was a BAR used by one of the deputies. Over the years, there have been many, many discussions and arguments about what guns were used and by whom. It will probably never be resolved.

Following is taken from another forum. Just a different viewpoint, veracity undetermined:
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"Allow me to weigh in on the ambush guns.

I belong to a group called Public Enemies of 1934, which is an historical/theatrical group that stages reenactments of 1930s "incidents" involving the likes of Dillinger, Floyd and Bonnie and Clyde.

For the past few years, I have had the privilege and honor to portray Frank Hamer at the annual Bonnie and Clyde Festival in Gibsland, Louisiana, which concludes with a reenactment of the "capture" at the actual ambush site south of town. That is where my avatar picture was taken.

While the organizers of the festival want a show that sort of combines fact, legend and the movies as far as what weapons are presented, we have done considerable research into what was actually used on May 23, 1934.

While the members of the posse surely possessed a variety of firearms, I believe they actually used the following:

Frank Hamer - Remington Model 11 riot gun

Manny Gault - Remington Model 11 riot gun

Bob Alcorn - Remington Model 8

Ted Hinton - BAR

Henderson Jordan - Remington Model 11 with long barrel and

Prentiss Oakley - Remington Model 8

My conclusions are based on the following:

Dallas County Deputies Bob Alcorn and Ted Hinton were featured in a newsreel filmed the day after the ambush, reprising their roles. In that film, Hinton used a military BAR (not a Monitor) and Alcorn used a Remington Model 8, a standard one with a straight gripped stock. Since it was filmed the following day, it is logical that they used the same long arms they had used the previous morning.

Bienville Parish Deputy Prentiss Oakley had borrowed two guns from the town Dentist in Arcadia, Dr. Sheehy, for him and Bienville Parish Sheriff Henderson Jordan to use. Both were guns he had borrowed before to go hunting. One was a .35 caliber Remington Model 8, serial number 48990, a deluxe model with a semi-pistol grip stock. The other gun was either a shotgun or a lever-action Winchester, but we believe it was a shotgun, as we will see below.

There are numerous photos of the long guns recovered from the car after the ambush, those being BARs and sawed-off shotguns, with said weapons leaning against the back of the car, but there is one photo that shows five long arms on the roof of the bandits' car, and they do not match the descriptions of the weapons the Bonnie and Clyde were carrying.

The five guns on the roof are a BAR, a Remington Model 8 (the stock is not visible in the angle of the photo) and three semi-automatic shotguns which appear to be Remington Model 11s. Two of them have riot-length barrels and one is a long-barreled hunting type shotgun.

When considered together, the conclusion is the guns on the roof are Hinton's BAR, either Alcorn's or Oakley's Remington Model 8, and three shotguns used by the remainder of the posse. Since both Hamer and his partner were lawmen, it is logical that the two riot-length shotguns were theirs, leaving a long-barreled hunting Model 11 for Sheriff Jordan, presumably the second gun borrowed from Dr. Sheehy.

As far as Alcorn's BAR and any others, I believe the posse was only planning to stay out until 0900 and were in the process of picking up when the bandits appeared at 0915, and those guns had already been put away. "


In addition, there was also a statement made to the news media by Louisiana Sheriff Henderson Jordan after the ambush, commenting to the effect that Hamer used "an automatic shotgun" in the ambush, which is considered authoritative.

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A couple of years ago, the History Channel made their own version of a B&C movie, but it was a poor effort. It is still re-run occasionally.
 
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I have read the same things. I know Hamer's son was incorrect because he claimed the rifle used by his father was a Remington 81 which was not manufactured at the time of the shooting. I have read that Hamer used a shotgun and read he used the Model 8. Perhaps he used both. The Remington Model 8 held five rounds. We will never truly know, but I do love my Remington Model 8 in 35 Remington. Hinton certainly had a reputation for shooting. Thanks for the additional information.
 
They were two cold blooded killers who show no mercy to their victims... That posse did fine work when it ended their murderous crime spree.

The only thing that would have been better would have been 1000 lawmen watering their graves during their funerals...in another 50 years some dim witted Hollywood idiot will make a similar film with Osama ben Laden being the victim of the merciless US military,and the movie critics will love it...

Faye was a cutey though.

My Grandfather was an Illinois State Trooper who was shot and killed by "Motorized Bandits" in July of 1932. Same time period of Bonnie & Clyde, Dillinger, Pretty Boy Floyd, etal. F'm all.

My Grandma worked 2 jobs to support my 4 yo. father, 15 yo.aunt and 10 yo. uncle who grew up without a Father in the Depression. The "Motorized Bandits" sirvivors got 3 hots and a cot until they got out or were executed.

My family survived, the trash that pulled those jobs didn't!
 
They were two cold blooded killers who show no mercy to their victims... That posse did fine work when it ended their murderous crime spree.

The only thing that would have been better would have been 1000 lawmen watering their graves during their funerals...in another 50 years some dim witted Hollywood idiot will make a similar film with Osama ben Laden being the victim of the merciless US military,and the movie critics will love it...

Faye was a cutey though.

My Grandfather was an Illinois State Trooper who was shot and killed by "Motorized Bandits" in July of 1932. Same time period of Bonnie & Clyde, Dillinger, Pretty Boy Floyd, etal. F'm all.

My Grandma worked 2 jobs to support my 4 yo. father, 15 yo.aunt and 10 yo. uncle who grew up without a Father in the Depression. The "Motorized Bandits" that survived got 3 hots and a cot until they got out or were executed.

My family barely survived, but we all still all still hate the trash that trash that pulled those jobs who did!
 
Frank Hamer was portrayed in a very unflattering manner in that film. IIRC, his family sought legal recourse for this insult and, I believe, did win a settlement.

Hamer's widow was awarded an out of court settlement from Warner Brothers for an undisclosed amount. Hamer's great-grand-nephew, Harrison Hamer, said years later that it was enough money to "see her through the rest of her life."

Interestingly enough, Clyde Barrow's sisters, Artie and Nell, and his brother L. C., sued Warner Brothers as well, claiming the film "maliciously vilified Clyde and Bonnie and those connected with them"...meaning their relatives. Their lawsuit was dismissed. The judge ruled that Clyde and Bonnie were public figures, but that the sisters and brother had not been specifically portrayed in the film. Plus, Buck was dead...he couldn't sue. Blanche Barrow went to prison after her capture. She wrote a book about her time with the Barrow gang. She passed away on Christmas Eve, 1988, twenty-one years after the film's release. She hated the way she was portrayed in the film as some sort of screaming ninny.

Far as I'm concerned, the film is a classic that ushered in many new techniques and styles of film making. It brought about a different way of portraying violence onscreen. There's no way that Sam Peckinpah and his Wild Bunch could not have been influenced by the slow motion death scene in Bonnie and Clyde.

Clyde and Marvin (Buck) Barrow are buried side by side in Western Heights Cemetery in Dallas, Texas.

Bonnie Parker is buried in Crown Hill Memorial Park in Dallas.

This cropped and enlarged photo shows the capture of Blanche Barrow near Dexter, Iowa. The other photo is her mug shot.


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BlancheBarrowMug1933.jpg
 
Bonnie didn't much.......

now playing on TCM and I really didn't realize that the movie came out in 1967. may not be historically correct but I sure liked Faye



Bonnie and Clyde (film - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

Too bad Bonnie didn't look much like Faye and Clyde looked more like a goofball than Beatty. Probably the best thing I could say about Clyde is that he could drive out of a lot of tight situations, at least until that last one.
 
It is very likely...

It is very likely that Bonnie did not kill anyone, though she joined in the shooting sometimes when they were cornered.

The police in the ambush said she was holding a weapon, and refused orders to drop it. But in the videos the surrounding crowd took with their cell phones no weapon was seen. Boy, weren't things simpler back that????:)
 
It is very likely that Bonnie did not kill anyone, though she joined in the shooting sometimes when they were cornered.

The police in the ambush said she was holding a weapon, and refused orders to drop it. But in the videos the surrounding crowd took with their cell phones no weapon was seen. Boy, weren't things simpler back that????:)

The crowd using cell phones to take pictures of the ambush scene of Bonnie & Clyde???? Back in the 1920's-1930's? Huh? Did you stay in Colorado last night or did someone from there send you some brownies? You have got to be pulling our legs...

From what I've always read... thankfully, neither Bonnie nor Clyde got off a shot... they never gave any mercy to anyone they murdered... every account says they always shot without warning, with no hesitation or remorse... When they pulled up in their car... & were instantly recognized, the posse wisely shot the **** out of them...If they had hesitated, Clyde would have tried to drive off, and none of the officers would want to take the chance of a running gun battle in a chase.
 

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