IMO, Remington is just trying to feed on the current fascination with bottom fed, black guns. You really can't improve much on the 870's original design.
Remington 870 w/ detachable mag
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Do you know that the models you mention were considered budget guns and that's what made them so popular? They had a lot more parts that were stamped and they didn't have the quality of Winchester shotguns that had the same functions? A lot of people said the very same things about the Remington shotguns back then that you're saying only they were comparing them to Winchester models. They were budget guns meant to appeal to shooters who wanted to invest less money in a firearm.
nachogrande
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+1,000 FOR THE BENELI.
I like them, and use the inertia type, super black eagle 12ga & Montfeltro 20 ga recoil and all. I even put the extended mag on the SBE in case I get masochistic & want to load 5 3 1/2" turkey or Tri-ball loads & yes they do hurt. I can't stand buying the "good" ammo in a 5 pack & having to carry 2 in a pocket. Also in a worst case scenario using a s/a one handed would be easier/faster.
It looks uncoordinated to me,,,
My Benilli has 50% more shell capacity.
I like them, and use the inertia type, super black eagle 12ga & Montfeltro 20 ga recoil and all. I even put the extended mag on the SBE in case I get masochistic & want to load 5 3 1/2" turkey or Tri-ball loads & yes they do hurt. I can't stand buying the "good" ammo in a 5 pack & having to carry 2 in a pocket. Also in a worst case scenario using a s/a one handed would be easier/faster.
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Someone above mentioned Remington trying to hang on. Sincerely hope they do. If not, then there is a situation similar to that with Colt products: those that are no longer produced become "collector's items" that many are reluctant or afraid to shoot. Imagine the ten million 870s someone quoted becoming wall-hangers or "collector's" pieces overnight.
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Mehhhh,
I'm not ready to give up the traditional one yet! Might be a bit faster to reload but I actually got pretty quick with a regular one during my 20 years of SASS competition reloading from a belt or carrier.
Seems a little awkward and more likely to knock into a wall that the traditional tubular fed models. Just don't see a big advantage.
I'm not ready to give up the traditional one yet! Might be a bit faster to reload but I actually got pretty quick with a regular one during my 20 years of SASS competition reloading from a belt or carrier.
Seems a little awkward and more likely to knock into a wall that the traditional tubular fed models. Just don't see a big advantage.
Hairtrigger
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Yawnnnn
Big green has gone a direction in which I have no interest
Big green has gone a direction in which I have no interest
CAJUNLAWYER
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you guys just don't understand bid'ness. Guns for the most part do NOT wear out. You buy a shotgun and it will last you the rest of your life and your kids life and their kids life. Remington (or any othe gun owner for that matter) gets one shot to sell you a gun and that's it. The reason they stay in business and continually sell guns is NOT because the previous one they sold you wore out, it's because they gin up the "want" factor.
Let's face it-were it not for the "want" factor, I would still be shooting and only own my dad's second year production 1100, my grandfather's 1952 Ruger .22 and the model 94 I got back in 1974.
I'll let you in on a little secret-all of these guns still work like the day they were made and I have absolutely no NEED for anything else.
BUt I'll let you in on another little secret....I GOT a squat load of other guns because I want them!
SO if Remington comes out with a new 870-it's clearly because they want to sell more 870's since the market must be pretty saturated by now. Not because it is a better mousetrap-just a different one.
Let's face it-were it not for the "want" factor, I would still be shooting and only own my dad's second year production 1100, my grandfather's 1952 Ruger .22 and the model 94 I got back in 1974.
I'll let you in on a little secret-all of these guns still work like the day they were made and I have absolutely no NEED for anything else.
BUt I'll let you in on another little secret....I GOT a squat load of other guns because I want them!
SO if Remington comes out with a new 870-it's clearly because they want to sell more 870's since the market must be pretty saturated by now. Not because it is a better mousetrap-just a different one.
Got to agree with Caj........ a 6" Colt New Service .357 served my Dad well from 1938/39, ( he added a 4" Model 10 in 1946 and a 50s Detective Special ) till he retired in 1977.
Me after about 15 years of experimentation; I still carry and use guns I bought in the late 80s through the mid 90s.
And like Caj ......... I do own "a few" more.......but the "old ones" still serve me well.............
Me after about 15 years of experimentation; I still carry and use guns I bought in the late 80s through the mid 90s.
And like Caj ......... I do own "a few" more.......but the "old ones" still serve me well.............
nachogrande
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PREVIOUS 870 SALES #'s
The first (& only) place I looked, Remington.com had 11million sold since introduction. IDK how old that info is. YEAH, they really need to do something with that dog of a product.
The first (& only) place I looked, Remington.com had 11million sold since introduction. IDK how old that info is. YEAH, they really need to do something with that dog of a product.
Speaking strictly from my limited experience I would have appreciated this feature when I was on the job, not for increased capacity, or even for faster reloads (I got pretty good at feeding the mag with my off hand while keeping the gun shouldered), but to avoid emptying and reloading the magazine at the beginning of every shift.
Working the rounds through the action adds risk of an unintended discharge and wears the shells. There is a method for manually releasing the shell stop to dump the magazine, but most of the officers either cycled the action or just checked the box and assumed everything was OK. A detachable mag could be much more readily emptied and checked.
Since that is no longer a consideration for me, I won't be buying one, but I would have lobbied for them 30 years ago.
You would not believe what finds its way into the tube (not to mention barrel) of a police shotgun over the course of a few weeks. I found low brass birdshot shells, shells with the rim so bent they could never have chambered and one so worn that it fell apart when I removed it. Barrels contained pencils, candy wrappers and at least one cigar.
And for those obsessed with capacity, Remington is reportedly bringing out a 24 round drum in January. Bring on the Zombies!
Working the rounds through the action adds risk of an unintended discharge and wears the shells. There is a method for manually releasing the shell stop to dump the magazine, but most of the officers either cycled the action or just checked the box and assumed everything was OK. A detachable mag could be much more readily emptied and checked.
Since that is no longer a consideration for me, I won't be buying one, but I would have lobbied for them 30 years ago.
You would not believe what finds its way into the tube (not to mention barrel) of a police shotgun over the course of a few weeks. I found low brass birdshot shells, shells with the rim so bent they could never have chambered and one so worn that it fell apart when I removed it. Barrels contained pencils, candy wrappers and at least one cigar.
And for those obsessed with capacity, Remington is reportedly bringing out a 24 round drum in January. Bring on the Zombies!
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nachogrande
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STILL GONNA COLLECT JUNK IN THE BARREL.
IDK if a cigar in the bbl is a really bad idea of a practical joke, but I think after finding 1 I'd be running a bore snake thru the bbl at the beginning of each shift. Bird shot in a duty shotgun??? Somebody doing a little bird hunting while on duty?
IDK if a cigar in the bbl is a really bad idea of a practical joke, but I think after finding 1 I'd be running a bore snake thru the bbl at the beginning of each shift. Bird shot in a duty shotgun??? Somebody doing a little bird hunting while on duty?
CAJUNLAWYER
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Got a closer look in an ad. "Designed from the ground up" looked like all they did was make a stamping to attach to the receiver that holds the magazine. Take out the shell carrier , file a little bit here, a little bit there...and voila-bottom feeding shotgun! Not too impressed........But I DO hope they sell a bunch. Remington seems to be in a bad way lately-they used to be gold standard-I hope they can reverse the slide
looked like all they did was make a stamping to attach to the receiver that holds the magazine. Take out the shell carrier , file a little bit here, a little bit there...and voila-bottom feeding shotgun! Not too impressed........But I DO hope they sell a bunch. Remington seems to be in a bad way lately-they used to be gold standard-I hope they can reverse the slide
spdguns
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Not a fan. Why???? If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
jag312
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California is not going to like this shotgun. I'm sure the delicate snowflakes in California are truly disturbed over this "high magazine capacity assault shotgun".
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