Big bore pocket pistols

Charter Arms Bulldog .44 special. Slightly bigger than a J frame and fits J holsters.

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For those who really like the simplicity of the DA revolver CA has offerings in .40 S&W and .44 Spl that are harldy bigger than a J frame as well as a .45 acp that's just a smidge bigger than those.

Hint, hint S&W decision makers.

I love my Charter spud-nut. In .44 spcl, this little thing is a formidable package.

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I like to pocket carry my J-frame model 649 .357 magnum.

However there are times when I prefer 1) larger bore 2) greater capacity than 5

Here are my two current options that fit the above conditions and that fit inside a jeans pocket with a pocket holster just fine.

Colt Defender .45 and Beretta px4 storm subcompact. The Colt offers 8 rounds of .45, and the Beretta offers 10 rounds of .40 S&W.

Both pistols are ~24 ounces unloaded. They are both roughly the same weight when loaded as the J-frame 649 loaded with 5 158 gr. Magnums.

I still like my full size pistols, but these little pistols are very handy and convenient, while giving up nothing in terms of capacity and cartridge.

Very nice,
I'm very familiar with the 1911 platform (40 yrs) but the grip on the Beretta looks awesome.
 
In my experience, there are no true big bore pocket pistols which can be comfortably carried and concealed that way, not without making folks question whether you're happy to see them at least. 😜
 
In my experience, there are no true big bore pocket pistols which can be comfortably carried and concealed that way, not without making folks question whether you're happy to see them at least. 😜

Just because I have a gun in my pocket, doesn't mean I'm not happy to see you!

If your CCW shows, you didn't buy the right clothes! To prove a point, AT CHURCH, I had 3Three 220 Sig 45's and a Commander on at the same time, told people the week before I would, and nobody noticed!

Ivan
 
Kahr CW-45 is in my pool of the daily carry selection.
The grip is just perfect. Absolutely perfect.
Yes, it is loud and bucks a little when target practicing.
But I remember clearly from past "good shoots" that I hardly even noticed it due to the adrenaline effect.
I also carry an extra magazine!
 
In my experience, there are no true big bore pocket pistols which can be comfortably carried and concealed that way, not without making folks question whether you're happy to see them at least. 😜

All of the pistols above (649, Colt Defender 45, Beretta Px4 Subcompact .40) are discrete with the proper pocket holster (like a desantis super fly) and a pair of jeans. One cannot wear skinny jeans; a regular / relaxed fit pair of levis work fine.
 
[SIZE="4"My only big bore pocket gun is a Taurus 445. A 2" stainless steel 44 special. Only 5 shots, but hey, it's a 44 special. This is the only one I've ever ran across, and I couldn't leave it behind. It's a tad larger than a J frame,
Smaller than a K. [/SIZE]
 

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I just picked up a Charter Arms Boomer, the 2 inch version of the .44 Special Bulldog. The gun is pretty much ready to go right out of the box for concealed carry, but there are a few things that I want to change before it’s what I would call perfect.

First and foremost, this is an economy grade gun. S&W J frames have a certain elegance to me, even (especially) the newer models with the matte black finish, like my 442. There are numerous tool marks on parts of the Boomer and while the lock-up is solid, the pieces just don’t seem to match up as well as on a S&W; the lack of an ejector rod shroud or lock gives an impression of an incomplete design. The curve of the Boomer’s spurless hammer is not as smooth as the curve of the frame on the internal hammer 442, although the hammer fits precisely in the solid frame. There are many sharp edges on the Boomer’s frame, yet the front and rear edges of the cylinder are nicely beveled. The trigger is serrated, not smooth like the 442, which is one of the changes I would like to make. I bought the black nitride model and the finish is well accomplished; although it is not quite black, more of a dark graphite gray. The grips supplied with the Boomer are hand-filling and do a great job of absorbing recoil, but are too large for concealed/pocket carry; another change that needs to happen.

As this gun is intended for close quarter engagements, there is no front sight, only a machined groove in the topstrap functions as the sights. I test fired three different rounds (PMC 180 grain SJHP, Blazer 200 grain JHP, and WW 240 grain LRN) from seven yards to see where they would hit. I used the same hold for all 12 rounds, centering the red bullseye of the target in the groove in the topstrap. All 12 rounds grouped in the same place, centered on the bullseye but about 6 inches high. A simple bead front sight, like on a shotgun, would do wonders for this gun without detracting from its potential for concealed/pocket carry. I also fired a couple of Speer shot loads to just to see where they would print without attempting to use the sight groove, i.e., pointing shooting; both printed squarely in the center of the target.

The action is not bad, a little rougher than a new 442. I found that I could stage the trigger to just about the point when it drops, then add a bit of pressure to follow through. If the gun had a front sight, it would be easy to keep all of the rounds on target this way.

The ported barrel appears to make a difference on this gun in reducing recoil. I was somewhat dreading shooting the Gold Dot rounds in this pistol as I experienced noticeable recoil when shooting them in my L frame 396. However, there didn’t appear to be much more recoil with the Gold Dots than with the other rounds. I’m sure than when I put more concealable (smaller) grips on the gun, there will be an increase, hopefully it will be marginal.

In all of the reviews I read or watched, it was mentioned that the Bulldog frame would fit in a J frame holster. For me, this is only partially true. I have a new-in-the-bag Mr. Softy from High Noon Holsters that lists on the label that it will fit a Charter Arms Bulldog as well as a J frame and the Boomer will not fit. I also have an older Bianchi 100 holster for a J frame that will not fit the Boomer. However, the gun fit in a DeSantis Nemesis pocket holster and a Safariland Model 25 pocket holster, both for J frames.

I made a couple of quick measurements and found that the Boomer is closer to the size of a K frame than to a J fame. On the Boomer, the distance from the bottom of the trigger guard to the top strap is roughly 3 1/4 inches; on the J frame it’s 3 inches and on a K frame (15-2 2inch), it’s 3 1/2 inches. The diameter of the Boomer’s cylinder is 1 7/16 inches, the J frame is 1 1/4 inches, and the K frame is the same as the Boomer at 1 7/16 inches. I also checked the length from the end of the barrel to the hump at the top of the back strap; for the Boomer it’s 5 1/2 inches, the J frame is 5 3/8 inches, and the K frame is 5 5/8 inches.

I’ve already ordered a set of smooth compact grips and a BK J frame grip adapter to make the grip more concealable. After searching the ‘net, I haven’t found anyone who offers a replacement trigger, smooth or otherwise, so I guess I’ll have to do that modification myself. Even though it’s not exactly as I want it, I am carrying it in the interior pocket of my vest in the DeSantis holster. It rides well, it’s fairly lightweight, and packs a big punch, about all that I can ask for.
 

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I wouldn't really call these pocket pistols, but they are big bore snubs. First is a Jovino 25-2, followed by a 625, both in .45 ACP.

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I just picked up a Charter Arms Boomer, the 2 inch version of the .44 Special Bulldog.... *SNIP*

I'll be honest and say that I kind of think you're missing the point of the Boomer.

I like to look at the design intent of a firearm and figuring that Charter offers the std Bulldog, a more controllable, non ported small 44 spcl with actual sights, I view the boomer as a solid/old fashioned/cheap and highly effective belly gun. Nothing more, nothing less.

It's all business and designed for ultra up close and personal range. Sure, you can get CT grips for it...but if I were to get one, it would be for extreme close range where you need to put lead in a large, very general vicinity.

I think Gunblast's review of it hot the nail on the head:

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2c4TfE3zz4[/ame]
 
"I'll be honest and say that I kind of think you're missing the point of the Boomer."

I don't think I'm missing the point of the Boomer; I consider it a modern version of the "Fitz Special;" big bore, short barrel, bobbed hammer, easy to conceal. I mention the sights because Fitzgerald did include sights on his modified revolvers, and the addition of a small rounded blade would add a significant advantage without affecting concealment.

Also, I'm not advocating CT grips, as they would not be much more compact than the supplied rubber grips. Again looking at the Fitz Specials, a significant number had ivory, stag, or smooth wood grips, all of which were shaped to the frame, i.e., no oversize "combat" grips and relatively smooth to aid in drawing from a pocket with snagging. I'm waiting for a set of smooth, compact grips that I'll pair with a BK grip adapter. I believe that this combination will offer a distinct improvement in concealability while maintaining an adequate level of control.

Edit: Grips came in last night. Smooth, dark grips paired with grip adapter makes this a very concealable gun in a serious caliber.
 

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WT UNLOADED???

I like to pocket carry my J-frame model 649 .357 magnum.

However there are times when I prefer 1) larger bore 2) greater capacity than 5

Here are my two current options that fit the above conditions and that fit inside a jeans pocket with a pocket holster just fine.

Colt Defender .45 and Beretta px4 storm subcompact. The Colt offers 8 rounds of .45, and the Beretta offers 10 rounds of .40 S&W.

Both pistols are ~24 ounces unloaded. They are both roughly the same weight when loaded as the J-frame 649 loaded with 5 158 gr. Magnums.

I still like my full size pistols, but these little pistols are very handy and convenient, while giving up nothing in terms of capacity and cartridge.

Do you plan on pocket carrying it unloaded? Pocket carry & "BIG BORE" don't exactly spring to mind for me. TEHO and all but say the gun loaded is 30 oz's, (how much do 8-10 rounds of 40 or 45 weigh???) imagine carrying 2 1/2 cans of beer in your pocket, & keeping your pants up. ;) Nice guns indeed MAJPAT, but MUCH more comfortable on a good belt/holster IMO.
 
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