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I had a Browning .223 WSSM for awhile, it shot good and I was lucky to find someone who wanted it more me, my only regret is that I didn't keep one of the rounds for my collection, they are wild looking.
Whatever happened to the Winchester Short Magnums?
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And very hard to find and expensive now!
I think the 270wsm was the only one with much traction. I had one and sold it. But shot a dall sheep and mt caribou with it.
Brother has a 300 WSM and has killed elk.
Whether they are needed can be said about almost every cartridge in existence, there is lots of over lap and duplication.
Brother has a 300 WSM and has killed elk.
Whether they are needed can be said about almost every cartridge in existence, there is lots of over lap and duplication.
My brother bought a 300 WSM gun, but doesn't shoot it a lot. Says it kills on one end and maims on the other.It does have a rather hard recoil.
One of my family members has the same opinion.
I handloaded some of his cartridges to 30-06 power, and he loved them.
Eddie Southgate
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I have a M70 in .243 WSSM and a Kimber in .325 WSM and love both . I reload so ammo is no problem .
pantannojack
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I shoot 30-06 very well. I don't desire a magnum. I did shoot a 300WSM one time at a range. A 165g some kind of plastic point bullet. I always thought 30 cal magnums were for 180g, or 200g bullets. Come to think of it, 30-06 too. And I'm a young guy, 69.
soonerbb
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I personally am a big fan of the 270 WSM...It numbers fall between the 270 Win. and the Weatherby 270 mag....Manageable recoil and great performance...
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I'm a big game hunter. Big game cartridges are personal preference.
Hunters will cause me to experience massive synapses short circuitry when they try to convince me that a .300 Mega Magnum will kill big game deader than the '06. It won't. Put a bullet from any suitable big game cartridge into the oxygenated blood pumping apparatus of any big game animal, and it'll have seconds of hoof time remaining. No big game animal lives beyond seconds without topside oxygenated blood flow.
After many years chasing big game all over the Rockies, I've come to the conclusion that I could become very, very happy with a .308 Win carbine. But I ain't buying another big game rifle. From here on out, I'll use my much lighter .270 Win. My 7MM Rem Mag is a phenomenal big game rifle/cartridge combo. It will kill massive bull elk very, very dead. But it won't kill elk any deader than a .270 Win.
The reality is there was no need for another North American big game cartridge after the US Army came out with its version of what we know as the '06. It's been filling big game tags for over a century and will continue to fill big game tags long after Mega Magnums requiems.
I'm good with any suitable big game cartridge other hunters use. But from my experience, I'm long past done carrying heavy rifles up-and-down high ridges of the Rockies. I can kill every big game animal in North America with my extremely accurate 22" barreled .270 Win. All I have to do in match bullet to hunted animal. There is no doubt in my mind that a bonded .270 Win bullet will break shoulders of a polar bear and drop huge bull elk. A 130 grain .270 Win bullet will drop Rocky Mountain mule deer in their tracks.
BTW, I also could become very, very happy with a 6.5x55 Swede in a lightweight carbine configuration.
Heavy hunting rifles and me have experienced a permanent dissolution.
Hunters will cause me to experience massive synapses short circuitry when they try to convince me that a .300 Mega Magnum will kill big game deader than the '06. It won't. Put a bullet from any suitable big game cartridge into the oxygenated blood pumping apparatus of any big game animal, and it'll have seconds of hoof time remaining. No big game animal lives beyond seconds without topside oxygenated blood flow.
After many years chasing big game all over the Rockies, I've come to the conclusion that I could become very, very happy with a .308 Win carbine. But I ain't buying another big game rifle. From here on out, I'll use my much lighter .270 Win. My 7MM Rem Mag is a phenomenal big game rifle/cartridge combo. It will kill massive bull elk very, very dead. But it won't kill elk any deader than a .270 Win.
The reality is there was no need for another North American big game cartridge after the US Army came out with its version of what we know as the '06. It's been filling big game tags for over a century and will continue to fill big game tags long after Mega Magnums requiems.
I'm good with any suitable big game cartridge other hunters use. But from my experience, I'm long past done carrying heavy rifles up-and-down high ridges of the Rockies. I can kill every big game animal in North America with my extremely accurate 22" barreled .270 Win. All I have to do in match bullet to hunted animal. There is no doubt in my mind that a bonded .270 Win bullet will break shoulders of a polar bear and drop huge bull elk. A 130 grain .270 Win bullet will drop Rocky Mountain mule deer in their tracks.
BTW, I also could become very, very happy with a 6.5x55 Swede in a lightweight carbine configuration.
Heavy hunting rifles and me have experienced a permanent dissolution.
In addition to it being a solution looking for a problem (as are most cartridges invented after 1960, some would argue earlier), you lost magazine capacity with the short, fat cartridges. Moreover, I think the market was super saturated with new wonder cartridges, e.g., WSM, WSSM, UM and so on. There’s not much you can’t kill with a .243, .22-250, 270 Win, 30-06, 300 WM, .338 WM, or .375 H&H and myriad other cartridges that were invented long before 1960.
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It really is just marketing. Same as cars and trucks. Make something new and different to sell something new and different.
I have no problem with the scheme. I don’t play since the ones I already have work just fine so there is no need.
More is usually better for everyone.
I have no problem with the scheme. I don’t play since the ones I already have work just fine so there is no need.
More is usually better for everyone.
reaper556
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surprisingly like another poster I had a friend of mine older than me and a younger sibling of mine try and sell me on the virtues of the 6.5 creedmore like I was supposed to throw down my '06 or 270 for this new wonder cartridge.
My older than me friend remarks on the excellent accuracy of it
I have always said my other hunting rifles are more accurate than me so what difference does it really make unless you just really need that excuse to justify your new purchase
My older than me friend remarks on the excellent accuracy of it
I have always said my other hunting rifles are more accurate than me so what difference does it really make unless you just really need that excuse to justify your new purchase
I collect ammo/brass. The Winchester 'shorts' came onto the scene and then never had acceptance. The 'super shorts' I find interesting because of their high velocity.
In my gun show travels the ammo I found at the Monroeville PA show and the brass I found at a Charlotte NC show.
Left to right in the picture; 223WSSM, 243WSSM, 25WSSM, a single 270WSM brass, a single 300WSM brass, 325WSM.
In my gun show travels the ammo I found at the Monroeville PA show and the brass I found at a Charlotte NC show.
Left to right in the picture; 223WSSM, 243WSSM, 25WSSM, a single 270WSM brass, a single 300WSM brass, 325WSM.
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My across the street neighbor Has a Leupold scoped Browning A bolt in .243 WSSM. It is a beautiful and fast handling piece. He puts venison in the freezer every year, sometime sharing it with me. Ammo is a problem, usually $2+ a rd. Joe
Yep, look how long the 30-06 has been around.
223, 243Win, 250Savage, 270Win, 7mmRem,30-30, 308Win, 30-06, 35Rem have all proven themselves. They may 'invent' faster ones, like the Weatherbys, but we'll use the old standards.
223, 243Win, 250Savage, 270Win, 7mmRem,30-30, 308Win, 30-06, 35Rem have all proven themselves. They may 'invent' faster ones, like the Weatherbys, but we'll use the old standards.
