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Service Grade Ammo?
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“Service Grade” is just a trademark, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it is made on the same production line as mil-spec ammunition. Good marketing on Winchester’s part.
Makes folks think they are getting the real good stuff/ Like Military Grade Aluminum in a Truck
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“Service Grade” is just a trademark, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it is made on the same production line as mil-spec ammunition. Good marketing on Winchester’s part.
I figured it was bottom of the barrel ammo. That's why I asked about it.
Only gun I had that was 9mm was my 6906, so I was kinda shy on the amount of 9mm ammo I had.
When I bought my P365 I wanted to use it as my EDC, so I was looking for deals on 9mm.
I shot 100 rounds of it Sunday in the Sig and it worked great.
Got an email from Academy Sports last night. They have Browning 9mm $28.99 for a box of 150. Just got back from picking up 4 boxes of that.
I think Browning is also made by Winchester?
mike from st pete
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Just wait until the EveryTown, Demanding Moms see that "military grade ammunition"
I figured it was bottom of the barrel ammo. That's why I asked about it.
Only gun I had that was 9mm was my 6906, so I was kinda shy on the amount of 9mm ammo I had.
When I bought my P365 I wanted to use it as my EDC, so I was looking for deals on 9mm.
I shot 100 rounds of it Sunday in the Sig and it worked great.
Got an email from Academy Sports last night. They have Browning 9mm $28.99 for a box of 150. Just got back from picking up 4 boxes of that.
I think Browning is also made by Winchester?
From the article I linked above. (FWIW) I do not agree with the Fiochi , MagTech, IMI I'll take that ammo any-day of the week.
Service Grade Ammunition:
Blazer Brass
PMC Bronze
Magtech
Federal American Eagle
Fiocchi
Perfecta
PPU / Prvi Partizan
IMI
ZQI
Speer Lawman
Winchester USA
Winchester Service Grade
Armscor
Sellier & Bellot
Aguila
Remington UMC
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IAhunter
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Few years ago I bought a bunch of weird Federal HST 40 ammo.
Instead of the fancy box, and nickel plated case, it came in a plain white box, and brass cased. Only thing I could figure out was that it was a military contract?
It was a DHS/CBP ammo contract. I carried that load that came in the same boxes on duty for years.
Winchester Service Grade .40 S&W functions fine in my pistols, but it is not very accurate.
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I am not sure that it is "overrun military ammo" for one reason. The 9mm is flat point! I am not aware of any military ammo that is not round nose. If I am wrong, then I stand corrected.
Win Service grade is just overrun military ammo
Lots of places sell it, Brownells just had a bunch. It's good ammo, goes bang nothing special about it.
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The new U.S. Army 9x19 load does feature a 115 grain flat point FMJ bullet, it is designated M1152 Ball. They also have a 147 grain JHP, the M1153 Special Purpose.
American Rifleman | M1152 & M1153: The Army’s New 9 mm Luger Loads
DWalt
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The older U.S. military ammunition was the M882 9mm ball round with a 124 grain FMJ bullet, which was made only by Winchester-Olin in East Alton IL. The new M1152 and M1153 9mm military rounds are also made only by Winchester, but in their newer Mississippi plant. "Service Grade" is just a trade name for civilian ammo to make it sound sort of military-ish.
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I stand corrected. I am glad the military is using a flat point. Now, I remember reading the article.
Actually, I don't care if the ammo is "mil-spec" or not. If it functions ok, it is probably accurate enough for 95% of pistol shooters. It probably wouldn't be good enough for precision pistol competitors. As a reloader, I would be interested in seeing the case head, if it isn't too much trouble. It seems like lately some Winchester brass is crimped and others have tight primer pockets. I have to admit that my homemade 9mm at $5.68 for a box of 50 is looking better and better all the time!
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Supposedly, the Winchester Service Grade ammo line is loaded to military ballistic specifications, whereas their white box USA brand is civilian spec. If that holds true, I would expect the Service Grade ammo to run about 50 fps faster than the USA brand, at least in 9mm and 45 ACP.
I have a question on post #28, Milt. new ammo.
Standard 9mm runs at 35,000psi.
+P 9mm runs at 38,500 psi.
The new 9mm M1153 115gr and the M1153 147gr are listed at 39,700 PSI.
That is a +P+ pressure.
Did the American Rifleman or the Winchester company, print an error or..............
is this ammo, really have this much pressure.
The fps seems normal for the bullet weight.
Just that the pressures seem really high, for this loading.
Standard 9mm runs at 35,000psi.
+P 9mm runs at 38,500 psi.
The new 9mm M1153 115gr and the M1153 147gr are listed at 39,700 PSI.
That is a +P+ pressure.
Did the American Rifleman or the Winchester company, print an error or..............
is this ammo, really have this much pressure.
The fps seems normal for the bullet weight.
Just that the pressures seem really high, for this loading.
I don't see any 9mm loads in the Lyman #50 Reloading Manual that shows any pressures even approaching the 35,000 psi range with a 115 gr. jacketed bullet, even at the highest velocities. Surely the 39,000+ psi is a mistake. The pressures for the 147 gr. jacketed bullets at the 960+ velocities they list in the article are even lower in the Lyman Manual, like around 30,000 psi.
Win Service Grade .45 acp 230g is rated at 865 fps. Win White Box .45 acp 230g is rated at 835 fps.
I use the Winchester Military Service Grade Ammunition 45 acp 230 GRAIN FMJ almost exclusively.
Winchester Military Service Grade Ammo 45 ACP 230 Grain Full Metal
Winchester Military Service Grade Ammo 45 ACP 230 Grain Full Metal
I have a few cases of that Win brown box mine are the earlier 115 flat tip and are hotter than the stuff in your photo . also we now issue 9 in 115 gr flat tip and its hotter than hell . Win calls it 1182 I think its the new standard and it is hot.
A marketing term...We have a winner!
I have a few boxes like that somewhere that I paid 8 bucks each for just a few years back. Sadly they were empty.
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